Work ethic may make Suns likable

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I'm just hoping that college football can sustain me until the Phoenix Suns start playing. I'm not predicting a championship around or anything like that, but I am very excited to see what this team can do. Show

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Work ethic may make Suns likable
The Arizona Republic
Sept. 22, 2004 12:00 AM


Turmoil stains the NBA.

Shaq is using rap lyrics to blast Kobe. Marquee players are asking to be traded. No one knows whether Gary Payton will even bother showing up in Boston.

Here, the Suns are way ahead of the game.

"We should be guardedly optimistic," point guard Steve Nash said.

What, and ruin the fantasy?



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No matter where they stand in a slimmed-down Western Conference, the Suns have a chance to be a rare commodity. They could be a NBA team that people actually like. The face lift is staggering.

With all due offense to other point guards who have caromed through Phoenix, it's hard to imagine any of them looking like the new leader. Nash hasn't grown a bit in all these years, still looking like the drummer in a British rock band.

Yet his footsteps bring respect. He carries a mystical presence and the heat of purpose. Why, Tuesday's voluntary workout is nearly 10 minutes old, and he still hasn't missed a shot.

"Steve is setting the tone," President and General Manager Bryan Colangelo said. "And it leaves no excuses."

They have been at this for nearly three weeks, a new team scrimmaging against each other, and both spirits and attendance rates are unusually high. The other night, they all gathered for a party at coach Mike D'Antoni's house, and key members of the organization were treated to Brandy, the pop star, not the beverage.

"Like I say, I've got the easy part," said new guy Quentin Richardson, who is engaged to Brandy. "She has the whole entertainment thing. I've just got to go out and throw the ball through a stupid hoop."



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Soon, Richardson will have plenty of his own fans in Phoenix.

We are only now getting around to the cold steel of Amaré Stoudemire, who brazenly calls himself the franchise. On the court, other people are calling him "Stat," said to be an acronym for Standing Tall and Talented.

His game is still frightening, his age both an asset and a liability.

"In my eyes, I feel I've got a chance to be a great player," Stoudemire said during the Olympics.

A bit later:

"Nothing is going to deter me."

Quickens the pulse, doesn't it?

Naturally, the Suns have envisioned a dynamic starting five with Nash, Richardson, Stoudemire, Joe Johnson and Shawn Marion. This takes some imagination, because Marion hasn't actually been here yet.



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He is advised to end his Olympic break soon, lest the younger Colangelo feel the familiar trading itch once again.

This scenario also requires Stoudemire to occasionally play center, and we all know he's not too keen on that idea. Surely, his mother isn't, either, and, there she is now, sitting in the front row of the gym, wearing a shirt that says "Bling Bling."

Oh, yes, this will be an interesting season, and already that is a key victory in the NBA, where cities are often embarrassed or enraged by their teams.

Here, these Suns don't mind the work. They seem to like each other. They have a solid chance to be liked in return.

In today's NBA, that's almost as important as being good.
 

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Like someone posted before. If Dan Bickley has good things to say about the Suns there must be some truth to it.
He doesn't like the Suns as even the title of his article indicates.

Bringing up Amare's mother again that's pretty low. It's not like she tries to put herself in the spotlight or anything. She is no Joumana, Miss Christie or Miss Rice.
 
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slinslin said:
Bringing up Amare's mother again that's pretty low. It's not like she tries to put herself in the spotlight or anything. She is no Joumana, Miss Christie or Miss Rice.

if my mom ever showed up to a game wearing a shirt that says "bling bling" id tell her to get her ass home and change some clothes. you gotta admit his statement was somewhat warrented.
 

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Who gives a rip what his mom is wearing. The article was about the Suns playing together before the season starts, and for some reason he has to unload useless crap into the article as if anyone cares.
 

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I just took it as an example of how Amare's age can be a liability.

He brought up that Amare doesn't like playing center, and that his mom doesn't like it either. We all have read that his mom will get in his ear. That is the biggest concern with Amare, is that his mom will turn him against the Suns if he is put in a situation she doesn't like. The bling bling tshirt reference was most likely to remind the reader that she goes after the money like crazy, and insinuates that she hasn't changed.

I didnt see a real problem with it. This season is Amare Stoudemire's break out year. His maturity, and ability to keep his mom out of the action will be extremely important.
 

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I think a lot of people have concerns about Amare's family screwing up his life & NBA career. She got his last agent fired over an agreed upon shoe deal that she wanted more money out of. I really don't think she's looking out for Amare's best interests, just her own "Bling Bling". I feel like his mom would try to convince Amare to go to another team as a free agent if someone offered him more money (although I'm sure the Suns would offer the max so it shouldn't be an issue).
 

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I don't know. It's been two and a half years since Amare Stoudemire joined this franchise and his mother hasn't caused any direct problems. Once in a while her name will creep up in an article like this, and it makes you kind of nervous. But, as far as I can tell, she isn't really anything to worry about.

As far as Amare is concerned, sometimes he worries me too. When he was first drafted, he said he was going to be the best player ever to play the game. As a Suns fan, I couldn't help but love hearing that. It showed ambition and desire to go with his already-furocious game. Now, however, he doesn't seem to be talking as much about what he can be, as much as talking about what he is. The Franchise? Please... even if it is true (which it probably is), he doesn't need to say it. I don't know if his mother is constantly in his ear talking him up or not, but the franchise here has to be The Phoenix Suns. If this team is going to be one that is renowned around the league for playing hard and professional, everyone needs to buy into the team concept. And I don't really see that happening.
 

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baltimorer said:
I don't know. It's been two and a half years since Amare Stoudemire joined this franchise and his mother hasn't caused any direct problems. Once in a while her name will creep up in an article like this, and it makes you kind of nervous. But, as far as I can tell, she isn't really anything to worry about.

As far as Amare is concerned, sometimes he worries me too. When he was first drafted, he said he was going to be the best player ever to play the game. As a Suns fan, I couldn't help but love hearing that. It showed ambition and desire to go with his already-furocious game. Now, however, he doesn't seem to be talking as much about what he can be, as much as talking about what he is. The Franchise? Please... even if it is true (which it probably is), he doesn't need to say it. I don't know if his mother is constantly in his ear talking him up or not, but the franchise here has to be The Phoenix Suns. If this team is going to be one that is renowned around the league for playing hard and professional, everyone needs to buy into the team concept. And I don't really see that happening.
trade him! :D
 

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baltimorer said:
. If this team is going to be one that is renowned around the league for playing hard and professional, everyone needs to buy into the team concept. And I don't really see that happening.

even a team that plays hard and professional must have a player that carries the team. in the 80's the lakers had magic, pistons had thomas, and the celtics had bird. all of them were known as hard working teams who were professional, all of them had go to players and the other excepted that. do you really think that anyone on this team doesnt think that amare is the heart of the team, the go to player, the person who others come to see? the player that other teams are going to be designing their defense around stopping?
 

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When he was drafted he said he would be the biggest thing for the Phoenix Suns since Charles Barkley not that he would be the G.O.A.T. .

Amare is the franchise and he needs to make that clear to others because he is supposed to become the true leader of this team.

Personally I love that he is talking about himself as the "franchise" because it tells me that he sees himself as a real part of the Phoenix Suns.

Having one guy who is the big star doesn't mean that you can't play as a team. Other players have to accept Amare as THE guy and I think that our group of players does that.
 
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slinslin said:
When he was drafted he said he would be the biggest thing for the Phoenix Suns since Charles Barkley not that he would be the G.O.A.T. .

Untrue.

Anyway, I don't want people to get the wrong idea. Amare Stoudemire is probably my second favorite player in the League, so I love most of the stuff he does. And I do think he has a chance to be one of the greatest. But you never heard Magic or Bird or Jordan or Thomas or any of the greats call themselves "the franchise". Unless your name is close to the word, you just don't do it (See: Steve FRANCIS). Yeah, the guy is the future of the Phoenix Suns, it's just obnoxious hearing him proclaim it. After all, since Marbury was run out, Amare has never had a problem getting the basketball early and often. It was different when Shaquille O'neal used to say it was his team, because he had guys on his team that weren't getting him the ball enough, and after they'd lose a game, Shaq would say that he needed the ball more. But it's the offseason and Amare is saying the Suns are his team? Other than to make himself feel good, and to brag about his talent, there's no reason for it. None.

The way I see it, until Amare Stoudemire cracks the 2's in assists-per-game, he's not a franchise player. Franchise players get others involved. Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Shaquille O'neal, even Chris Webber are all low-post players who get double-teamed and find open players, which leads to baskets, which leads to wins. Hell, if I was Amare Stoudemire, if my team had the record that this one had last year, I wouldn't even admit to being the "franchise" player if I was!
 

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Ummm lets see the main reason the Suns were bad last year was the fact that Amare Stoudemire missed as many games as he did.

And untrue what? Please provide a link. I am 10000000000000000000000% sure he said he would be the best thing to happen to the Suns since Charles Barkley and nothing else really except that he wants to be great.

By all evidence Amare has a great work ethic and I wouldn't worry one second about him stopping to work because he thinks he is the franchise which he is.

But it's the offseason and Amare is saying the Suns are his team? Other than to make himself feel good, and to brag about his talent, there's no reason for it. None.

Come on that's ridiculous. It is not like he calls Bickley and tells him he is the franchise.
 

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"Naturally, the Suns have envisioned a dynamic starting five with Nash, Richardson, Stoudemire, Joe Johnson and Shawn Marion. This takes some imagination, because Marion hasn't actually been here yet."


Am I reading this right?
 

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"Naturally, the Suns have envisioned a dynamic starting five with Nash, Richardson, Stoudemire, Joe Johnson and Shawn Marion...."

Am I reading this right?


I don't know whether that lineup will start, but I've been saying all along that it's what they'll turn to as soon as the going gets rough.
 

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slinslin said:
Ummm lets see the main reason the Suns were bad last year was the fact that Amare Stoudemire missed as many games as he did.

And untrue what? Please provide a link. I am 10000000000000000000000% sure he said he would be the best thing to happen to the Suns since Charles Barkley and nothing else really except that he wants to be great.

By all evidence Amare has a great work ethic and I wouldn't worry one second about him stopping to work because he thinks he is the franchise which he is.

But it's the offseason and Amare is saying the Suns are his team? Other than to make himself feel good, and to brag about his talent, there's no reason for it. None.

Come on that's ridiculous. It is not like he calls Bickley and tells him he is the franchise.

actually, i remember him saying he wants to be the greatest of all time. i have no problem with that either. with all his talent he should be aiming high as far as i'm concerned.
 

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Ouchie-Z-Clown said:
actually, i remember him saying he wants to be the greatest of all time. i have no problem with that either. with all his talent he should be aiming high as far as i'm concerned.

I actually remember hearing him say that also - I thought it was awesome. I don't trust his mom though - she is one UGLY beeyatch and man is she annoying to sit behind at the games!
 

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i think we all need to keep in mind that hes still a kid and kids run thier mouths. IE carmello, caron butler last year, lebron james all star game...
 
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elindholm said:
"Naturally, the Suns have envisioned a dynamic starting five with Nash, Richardson, Stoudemire, Joe Johnson and Shawn Marion...."

Am I reading this right?


I don't know whether that lineup will start, but I've been saying all along that it's what they'll turn to as soon as the going gets rough.

I don't think we will see that lineup start many games, but I agree with Eric that we will see plenty of it this season. However unlike many members of this board to take that as a negative thing I think it will work well as long as they don't get carried away.

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I don't mind line-up but hopefully not to start - the #1 player off bench would be Barbosa (Guard) if that line-up started. At least with a Center in there, Richardson and Barbosa could come off bench - I'm not sure who to start though... Lampe is the biggest body, with excellent shot (watching Mavs games, that could be a weapon and spread the floor) or Hunter, defensive presence. Voskuhl has been used off bench a lot in past.

Both Lampe and Hunter are young, so experience isn't a factor. Richardson, Barbosa, Jacobsen (shooting), and Cabarkapa can score off bench - so bringing Lampe off bench for instant offense isn't a must. Voskuhl and Vroman are hustle players that can rebound and defend honestly - so bringing Hunter off bench for defense isn't a must. Options :thumbup:
 

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Joe Mama said:
I don't think we will see that lineup start many games, but I agree with Eric that we will see plenty of it this season.

However unlike many members of this board to take that as a negative thing I think it will work well as long as they don't get carried away.
Every time you move Amare from a potential superstar Power Forward to a mediocre Center . . . and Shawn from a talented Small Forward (who is more comfortable playing outside) to an overmatched Power Forward, I believe it is a negative thing.

Then, consider the wear-and-tear on both of them, putting in significant time at positions 'heavier' than their natural positions. Once again, it will take its toll. Injuries are usually a by-product.

Remember, in the 35 year history of the Suns, there has been only one starter who has ever been moved to a 'lighter' position. And that was Walter Davis, when Larry Nance (the first of the 6'10" Small Forwards) became a starter. And Sweet-D prospered.

All the other Suns playing out position through the years have been moved to 'heavier' positions.

The Suns potential this coming season deserves better than that old, tired philosophy. So do the investors. And so do the fans.
 

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I don't want to see it too many minutes but I don't mind Marion and Cabarkapa playing a few minutes at PF, Amare at C. I do like Lampe's potential at C, Hunter I really don't have many games to judge by but IMO brings to the table what McDyess, White, and Harvey did (Vroman at PF as well).

Stoudemire will get a lot of minutes at F/C - alongside Hunter, Lampe, Voskuhl at C; Cabarkapa, Vroman, Marion at PF (pushing Stat to C). One more player at C, PF, or F/C would make things easier but that might come next year (possibly Draft) or at least a IL player. IMO Suns are a Playoff caliber team but Lampe's development could push Suns into homecourt.
 

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One of the oddest aspects of Bickley's article was this point:

Naturally, the Suns have envisioned a dynamic starting five with Nash, Richardson, Stoudemire, Joe Johnson and Shawn Marion. This takes some imagination, because Marion hasn't actually been here yet.

He is advised to end his Olympic break soon, lest the younger Colangelo feel the familiar trading itch once again.

Last season, Marion averaged 40.7 minutes a game in 79 games and was a major contributor to the Olympic team. What does Bickely expect? :confused:

BTW, I do not expect the small ball lineup to start but will probably play the last five minutes of certain games.
 

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