Worst case draft scenario

[BigRedRage]

lol drew brees head in vince youngs body? drew brees is a very smart guy, Cam obviously is not.

I wouldnt touch cam with a 40 ft pole.

QB is far more important, far more scrutinized and has far more weight on its shoulders than a pass rusher. If DD#90 was a QB, would you draft him? I wouldnt.

You defend the guy like he is your son, its just another player in another draft. When he is drafted to another franchise your not going to become their fan so why defend him so vehemently?

 

[Reddog]

I would not be disapointed at all if we took Quinn at 5.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I would not be disapointed at all if we took Quinn at 5.

I'm all for drafting Drew Newton .

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I disagree. His handling of the time between the championship and now has been pretty poor, IMO. That speaks to both intangibles and intelligence. He's not had a ton of poise and has made some questionable decisions (reading from notes at a difficult press conference, the "I see myself as an entertainer-slash-icon" statements, poor showing at the combine).

If the worst fears are realized in a pass rusher with uber-ability, you get Simeon Rice. If they're realized in a QB, you get Ryan Leaf. (note: I'm not saying Newton will be another Leaf; I don't think he will. But I do think he'll struggle for a few years and never live up to the hype).

JMHO

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Simeon Rice: 122 sacks and a SB ring
Ryan Leaf: didn't survive his first contract.

Difficult to understand this analogy.

As for Newton: for everything good said about him, there has been 9 trashings of his abilities, character and intelligence.

 

[Pariah]

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Simeon Rice: 122 sacks and a SB ring
Ryan Leaf: didn't survive his first contract.

Difficult to understand this analogy.

As for Newton: for everything good said about him, there has been 9 trashings of his abilities, character and intelligence.

My point is that character issues, leadership, and any other "intangible" is magnified tenfold at the QB position. It matters far less in a pass-rusher than a signal caller. Case in point: Leaf and Rice. Heads cast from the same mold playing different positions.

 

[Chopper0080]

he doesn't have a position in the 3-4 defense

bowers is a pure 4-3 defensive end who needs to play with his hand on the ground

he cant stand up and play linebacker, and lacks the bulk to anchor

he is a good player, but not for the Cardinals.

Hey, so is Robert Quinn.

I would take either Jake Locker, Cam Newton or Tyron Smith. Every other player is either a poor fit, or a position of little need.

At this point, I think his mechanics are very correctable and we need a QB, so I take Jake Locker.

I can't say what I think that Cardinals would do though. Probably waste the pick on a DE in Robert Quinn and we can spend the next three years watching him get beat in coverage and filling the wrong holes. I hope that if this happens that I am wrong, but Quinn has not shown me one thing that makes me think that he could transition to OLB.

 

[PACardsFan]

If we take a QB in the 1st round, our franchise is doomed for the next decade. Newton will NEVER be a successful QB in the NFL, never, never, never. Gabbert is 2nd, maybe 3rd round talent. We need to go defense!

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

If this is th scenario youve gotto tak newt or gab.

 

[WildBB]

Are we jumping to the conclusion that Whiz is making the choice of who we draft? Do you think the choice of who we will take has already been made? Perhaps the guys we want will already have been drafted by the time we select. If you are picking at #5 I would hope we had already lined up the top 5 players we want to draft and need only about 30 seconds on the clock to make our pick unless we do make a trade. We need so many different positions filled we just might trade down and then all bets are off as to who we would select. Maybe even Mitch's V 11.0 might come true. As for me I still want Gabbert and it is looking more and more like I have about as much chance as Mitch does with his V 11.0.

True, trade down would be their best bet. It might be anyway. Basically you have 4-5 rounds to get some impact players mtl.

The positions we really need to fill are QB,TE,OL,OLB,ILB....that's the five right there. Then you could also make a case for a DLman and possibly a cover CB that has some tenacity. Maybe even another WR with some speed.

That's 8 positions that we really need to find some YOUNG talent to build. That's tough to do with only one pick in each of the first five rounds!

Trade down gives you some opportunities in a pretty good deep mid round (3-5) draft like this one is shaping up to be.

 

[lobo]

Worst case is "the dog ate the homework" we miss two turns....like this ALMOST happened once before...remember???

 

[Duckjake]

True, trade down would be their best bet. It might be anyway. Basically you have 4-5 rounds to get some impact players mtl.

The positions we really need to fill are QB,TE,OL,OLB,ILB....that's the five right there. Then you could also make a case for a DLman and possibly a cover CB that has some tenacity. Maybe even another WR with some speed.

That's 8 positions that we really need to find some YOUNG talent to build. That's tough to do with only one pick in each of the first five rounds!

Trade down gives you some opportunities in a pretty good deep mid round (3-5) draft like this one is shaping up to be.

For the Cardinals this draft is the best of times and the worst of times.

I think the only position where we have a dire need is at QB. Sadly this is not the year to be trying to fill that spot.

On the other hand this is a deep draft in solid if not spectacular players at almost every other position.

We still have Porter and Schofield and Haggans and Will Davis at OLB. Lenon and Hayes and Washington at ILB. 6 veteran players on the oline and until Branch is gone 4 solid players on the Dline. 2 pro bowl players in DRC and Wilson in the secondary along with Rhodes and Toler.

It is a perfect draft for the Cards to get younger as well as deeper or if they want to go strictly talent regardless of position high in the first. So either way, staying at #5 or trading down, we should be ok.

Go Peterson,Acho,Irving 1-3 and pick up a backup NT 4-6, ride with Skelator and if it doesn't work we get a shot at a better QB prospect in 2012.

Or trade down and get a guy like Jimmy Smith or Akeem Ayers and an extra 2nd or 3rd pick.

 

[Buckybird]

For the Cardinals this draft is the best of times and the worst of times.

I think the only position where we have a dire need is at QB. Sadly this is not the year to be trying to fill that spot.

On the other hand this is a deep draft in solid if not spectacular players at almost every other position.

We still have Porter and Schofield and Haggans and Will Davis at OLB. Lenon and Hayes and Washington at ILB. 6 veteran players on the oline and until Branch is gone 4 solid players on the Dline. 2 pro bowl players in DRC and Wilson in the secondary along with Rhodes and Toler.

It is a perfect draft for the Cards to get younger as well as deeper or if they want to go strictly talent regardless of position high in the first. So either way, staying at #5 or trading down, we should be ok.

Go Peterson,Acho,Irving 1-3 and pick up a backup NT 4-6, ride with Skelator and if it doesn't work we get a shot at a better QB prospect in 2012.

Or trade down and get a guy like Jimmy Smith or Akeem Ayers and an extra 2nd or 3rd pick.

I've always believed that quality is always better than quantity. Stay at #5 & take the best player on your board & hopefully the scouts, GM & HC have done their homework. I'm still not 100% sure if PP7 fits what the Cards want to do defensively (according to Horton) & I wouldn't rule out taking AJ Green at #5.

 

[Duckjake]

Every year it is a worst case draft scenario for Arizona.

We had 4 full time starters^ out of our last 16 1st-3rd round draft picks- not counting rookies- in 2010. Four! And one of those is Levi Brown who many here want to replace with a kid from the upcoming draft and another is Lutui who many here wanted to run out of town for being overweight last Summer!!!!!!

Our two stars were drafted 11 and 8 years ago!!!!

Easy to see why the Cards were once again 5-11.

Rolle
Leinart
LBrown*
DRC*
Wells


Arrington
Lutui*
Branch
Calais*
CBrown


Eric Green/Daryl Blackstock
Pope
Buster Davis
Early Doucet
Rashad Johnson

And our rookies!?!?!? Williams was so out of shape he couldn't beat out Methuselah at NT. Washington was also benched in favor of two AARP Lbs and many were ready to cut Roberts after training camp because he couldn't catch a cold.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Every year it is a worst case draft scenario for Arizona.

We had 4 full time starters^ out of our last 16 1st-3rd round draft picks- not counting rookies- in 2010. Four! And one of those is Levi Brown who many here want to replace with a kid from the upcoming draft and another is Lutui who many here wanted to run out of town for being overweight last Summer!!!!!!

Our two stars were drafted 11 and 8 years ago!!!!

Easy to see why the Cards were once again 5-11.

Rolle
Leinart
LBrown*
DRC*
Wells


Arrington
Lutui*
Branch
Calais*
CBrown


Eric Green/Daryl Blackstock
Pope
Buster Davis
Early Doucet
Rashad Johnson

And our rookies!?!?!? Williams was so out of shape he couldn't beat out Methuselah at NT. Washington was also benched in favor of two AARP Lbs and many were ready to cut Roberts after training camp because he couldn't catch a cold.

yes but Rod Graves makes up for his bad drafts with all those quality free agents he brings in .

 

[Duckjake]

Meanwhile:

Tim Hightower starting RB - 5th round
Steve Breaston starting (#2) WR- 5th round
LSH special teams ace - 7th round
Brandon Keith starting RT - 7th round
Greg Toler starting CB - 4th round
John Skelton starting QB - 5th round
Jim Dray -starting TE - 7th round
Lyle Sendlein starting C - UDFA

Maybe the Cards should just trade out of the first 3 rounds and get a ton of 4-7th round picks.