Of course it is. Players that are being aquired are being aquired because thy mesh with Nash....i already explained this to you.
Then why did they acquire Lopez, or Childress, or Gortat, or Pietrus?
You claim Frye has been one of our better defenders this season. Better defender than whom? Come on...lets hear something to support that ridiculous claim.
I don't have stats to back it up, but there are plenty of people who share my opinion.
Have you ever actually played the game we're talking about?
Yes, quite a bit, although never well. So spell it out for me, if you're so smart: How does taking jump shots on offense make it more difficult to play defense?
You're reaching,are you trying to imply this isnt a jump shooting team?
It's basically a jump-shooting team, because they don't have players who can finish in traffic. I've seen several games where the Suns have quite conscientiously worked the ball inside, only to miss a hundred layups or get flustered by "physical" defense. It's not (always) for lack of trying.
Typical dickless response from someone with no balls to support what he doesn't have.
Right, whereas name-calling
is the right way to support an argument.
You know,i might take you more seriously if you actually believed what you post,or showed even an ounce of passion,you're debating to debate. You and i have gone thru this before. You read someone's claims,then decide you're going to play the strawman.
No. Your thesis is that the presence of Nash is preventing the Suns from rebuilding. I disagree. I think that, if you took Nash away, this team would be just as hopeless as they are now.
* There is no young talent on this team worth talking about. Removing Nash won't change that.
* The Suns will have one decent (mid-round) pick in the upcoming draft. Removing Nash won't change that (although dumping him would improve their draft position a few spots).
* This roster has almost no players who can create their own shot and several poor defenders. Removing Nash won't change that.
* The franchise is being micromanaged by a fairly ignorant owner who can't figure out what his priorities are. Removing Nash won't change that.
You want me to map it out over the next 2 or 3 years just to prove that it can be done? That will take some time.
Yes, thank you, it will take time. Finally we agree on something. There are probably a handful of players on the roster who have the potential to be decent defenders. I believe that Gentry is working very hard on getting them there. Apparently you don't.
Oh wait,i forgot,aren't you the guy who says nobody can be traded
I never said any such thing. Who do you have me confused with?
tanking is never a good idea
It isn't.
draft picks beyond the top 10 are worthless
For big men, except in incredibly unusual circumstances. You can find good players at other positions later in the draft.
it takes 5 years to rebuild a team
Yes, that's right. As I said before, no one on the present roster will still be with the team once the Suns are relevant again, except maybe Lopez.
There are a few quality pieces in place here IMO
Good grief, who? A couple of future seventh men, maybe.
I'm not sure how i'm supposed to prove that this team instantly gets better defensively minus Nash and the fun n gun
See, there you go again. The Suns aren't "fun n gun" anymore; that's the part you aren't getting.
Ok you're right Mr Strawman,my choice of words are misleading....but i'm right
Thanks for the clarification.
Nash-lead teams playing this system will never be good defensively
There you go again, "playing this system."
Where have you been the last 6 years?
Where have you been the last six weeks?
I've done nothing but support my opinions over the last few years here.
You've done no such thing. You repeat yourself endlessly, wink, smirk, and call people names.
I once told you that you would debate the air you breathe(or something like that
)....its just lame.
Oh, well if
you told me, it must be true. That's your default position: That anything you say is correct by definition. "I'm right, because I said so, just as I've been saying so all along." Good luck with that.
Since you apparently don't understand how to back up an argument with facts, I'll give you some examples:
In 2004-05 (Nash's first year back), the Suns committed 19.1 fouls per game. This season they are committing 21.6. Conclusion: They are making more of an attempt to play defense, rather than the D'Antoni system of letting the opponent score untouched so as to facilitate a quick return break.
They averaged 24.7 three-point attempts, compared to 18.0 by their opponents. This season they're at 22.6, compared to 20.0 by their opponents. Conclusion: Not only are the Suns shooting fewer threes, but they are paying more defensive attention to the paint, leaving themselves more vulnerable from the outside.
They averaged 85.6 FGA and are now averaging 83.0. Conclusion: The pace is slower.
They averaged 25.4 FTA, just barely as many as their three-point attempts. Now they're at 25.9, many more than their three-point attempts. Conclusion: They are making more of an effort to work the ball inside. (Keep in mind that this is now without Stoudemire, which makes the change even more impressive.)
They forced 13.8 turnovers per game. Now they force 15.1. This is despite the loss of Marion's 2.0 steals per game. Conclusion: They are working harder to disrupt the other team's offense.
Now, if you want to say, "But they're still lousy defensively," you'll get no argument from me whatsoever. But to insist ad nauseum that this is the same system that D'Antoni instituted six years ago is just flat out wrong.
The culture
is changing. The change is slow, and so far it's ineffective. Will it get better? I don't know. But I do know that Gentry, for one, is already looking at life after Nash, and he's able to do that while Nash is still in uniform. If he can do it, why can't you?
