Would either Arrington or Shipp start for any other team in the league?

[Lomax to Green 84]

Honestly its hard to find a team where either of these guys would start. Lets take a look:

AFC East
New England-Cory Dillon (no)
Miami-Ronnie Brown/Ricki Williams (no)
New York-Curtis Martin (maybe???? probably not)
Buffalo-Willis McGahee (no)

AFC North
Cincy-Rudi Johnson (no)
Pitt-Willie Parker/Jerome Bettis (no)
Cleveland-Ruben Droughens (no)
Baltimore-Chester Taylor/Jamal Lewis (no)

AFC South
Indy-The Edge (no)
Jacksonville-Greg Jones (no)
Houston-Domonick Davis (no)
Tennessee-Chris Brown (no)

AFC West
Denver-Mike Anderson/Tatum Bell (no)
San Diego-LT (no)
Oakland-Lamont Jordan (no)
Kansas City-Larry Johnson (n0)

NFC East
Philly-Brian Westbrook (no)
Washington-Clinton Portis (no)
New York-Tiki Barber (no)
Dallas-Marion Barber/Julius Jones (n0)

NFC North
Chicago-Thomas Jones (no)
Green Bay-Sam Gado/Ahman Green (no)
Detroit-Kevin Jones (no)
Minnesota-Mewelde Moore/Micheal Bennett/Ciatric Fason (no)

NFC South
Atlanta-Warrick Dunn (no)
Tampa-The Cadillac (no)
Carolina-DeShaun Foster (no)
New Orleans-Duece McAllister (no)

NFC West
Seattle-Shaun Alexander (no)
St. Louis-Stephen Jackson (no)
San Francisco-Kevan Barlow/Frank Gore (maybe ???)

I find 29 no's and many of those are so ridiculous to even compare, and 2 maybe's, but runningback isn't a priority in the offseason because its all the offensive line's fault (sarcasm). Actually JJ and Marcel should be thanking their lucking stars that we have a bad offensive line, because they now have an excuse for being so terrible. If we had a good o-line, then they would be exposed for what they really are, a pair of amazingly below average runningbacks.

 

[phillycard]

Holian, I have to take offense. Most of those backs aren't rookies like JJ. I'll give you that Marcel has had his chance, he's a backup at best, but JJ hasn't. I will give him another year with hopefully a much better line. He's starting to look a lot better, silly fumbles, aside.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I was never a huge fan of drafting JJ. Any RB can run and get yardage when there is a hole there and that's what JJ did at Cal. Alot of time s he was untouched until the 2nd level.That's pretty easy.I like guys that can take a hit and keep going.I don't know if this guy is a senior or not but one of the most impressive RB's i have seen this year was the Hunt kid from Penn State. Irons,Auburn, is another along with Len dale White.

 

[seesred]

Most of the backs mentioned would not have done much better with our Offensive line. There are exceptions to every rule, but, JJ is a rookie and Shipp is coming off a very bad injury. Add to that the O-line and maybe even the play calling.

I would be willing to bet that 25 of the 29 would have like problems this year in Arizona.

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[football karma]

All the more reason to trade up and get Reggie Bush

This team will finish with 6 wins at the most. The team needs some sort of buzz in the offseason-- and whats nice is that this isnt the kind of buzz from signing near the end of his career Emmitt -- its the kind of buzz from adding a dynamic runner at a position of need.

 

[joeshmo]

All the more reason to trade up and get Reggie Bush

This team will finish with 6 wins at the most. The team needs some sort of buzz in the offseason-- and whats nice is that this isnt the kind of buzz from signing near the end of his career Emmitt -- its the kind of buzz from adding a dynamic runner at a position of need.

Buzz does nothing for the fans of AZ. The casual fan here is fair wheather types for the most part, and no amount of buzz will help, only winning will.

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

Most of the backs mentioned would not have done much better with our Offensive line. There are exceptions to every rule, but, JJ is a rookie and Shipp is coming off a very bad injury. Add to that the O-line and maybe even the play calling.

I would be willing to bet that 25 of the 29 would have like problems this year in Arizona.

GBR
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Then why is Sam Gado running for 171 yards playing behind an equally awful offensive line? Why is Ruben Droughens putting up big numbers behind a traditionally awful offensive line in Cleveland. I'm not buying the offensive line is the sole problem arguement anymore. Our o-line needs fixed, but our runningbacks stink in my opinion and are as much to blame for the rushing woes.

Heck, a 36 year old Emmitt Smith put up damn near 1000 yards last year playing on a team that had a terrible quarterback and a terrible offensive line.

 

[football karma]

Buzz does nothing for the fans of AZ. The casual fan here is fair wheather types for the most part, and no amount of buzz will help, only winning will.

1. I think Reggie Bush would help the Cardinals win

2. Buzz is what gets the fair weather fan to take a chance on buying a ticket. Hopefully winning while those fair weather types are in the building converts some of them to committed fans-- leaving less room for the slobs like I had to sit by yesterday

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Then why is Sam Gado running for 171 yards playing behind an equally awful offensive line? Why is Ruben Droughens putting up big numbers behind a traditionally awful offensive line in Cleveland. I'm not buying the offensive line is the sole problem arguement anymore. Our o-line needs fixed, but our runningbacks stink in my opinion and are as much to blame for the rushing woes.

Heck, a 36 year old Emmitt Smith put up damn near 1000 yards last year playing on a team that had a terrible quarterback and a terrible offensive line.

I've always said a good RB helps the OL as much as the OL helps the RB. A good RB will make a guy miss or break a tackle.Plus, the OL doesn't have to hold their blocks as long with a good RB and a good RB doesn't need a gaping hole to make yardage. Alot of Shaun Alexander's runs are through small seams created by the OL and by his cutback ability. BTW, i've been really impressed by Rueben Droughns this year.That guy is hard to get on the ground.

 

[joeshmo]

2. Buzz is what gets the fair weather fan to take a chance on buying a ticket.

Buzz does nothing for them. Its either do you win or dont win. AZ fans have a history of it in all of the sports, its been proven time and time again. A rookie is going to bring the casual fan out, not likely.

People only showed up to Suns games becuase they are winning, same with the Backs, same for Yotes. Buzz didnt bring the fans, wins did, and they have the attendance figures to prove it.

If you win they will come. Simple as that.

Will Bush help us win, Maybe, but that wont bring the fans in until later in the season.

 

[jstadvl]

I honestly believe

both would get snaps, as starters, on other teams. Would they be the featured back? Probably not.
J.J will take his lumps for yesterday. The film will say it all. And, I think it'll fire him up. He knows what everyone else is thinking.
A Bloody nose is just that. Once you realize that's just what it is, and only what it is. you become a much better fighter. I think JJ will do that.
If Shipp had the O lines some ofv those other teams had, He'd be a 1000 yd rusher. Not an elite back, but, definitely playable. jmo.

 

[Shogun]

I hope that Arrington turns out well. We don't want a Troy Smith incarnate.

 

[Russ Smith]

Heck, a 36 year old Emmitt Smith put up damn near 1000 yards last year playing on a team that had a terrible quarterback and a terrible offensive line.

Emmitt averaged 2.8 and 3.5 YPC in his 2 years here and last year averaged 18 carries per game. Arrington has had 18 carries once all season, I don't think Shipp has even had that many. Arrington is averaging 3.4 for the season this year.

Do I think Emmitt dives under Taylor yesterday of course not he was one of the toughest runners in NFL history. But overall JJ's play in limited carries is really not any worse than Emmitt last year with 2 caveats, he doesn't have the nose for the endzone Emmitt did, but then that's why Emmitt has the NFL rushing TD alltime record, and he's not nearly as good at other things like blocking and getting that tough yard.

Arrington made a huge mistake, I would hope after seeing the films he changes his opinion on whether he made the right decision on that run.

 

[cardpa]

Tony Hunt from Penn State would be an excellent 3rd/4th rounf pick. Didn't get much press but has speed and power. It would be wise to watch him aganist Florida state in the orange bowl.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Great running backs make average offensive lines look good. WE have an average offensive line and a serious lack of talent at running back. JJ might be that guy, but we've seen so little of him it's hard to decide. I'm afraid Marcel is finished as a pro. It doesn't look like he has anything left after the injury and he wasn't anything spectacular before the injury.

 

[Stout]

Tony Hunt from Penn State would be an excellent 3rd/4th rounf pick. Didn't get much press but has speed and power. It would be wise to watch him aganist Florida state in the orange bowl.

He'd be a nice steal, but he won't come out...he's a Junior, will want to improve his stock, and come back and compete for a title.

 

[Shogun]

Tony Hunt from Penn State would be an excellent 3rd/4th rounf pick. Didn't get much press but has speed and power. It would be wise to watch him aganist Florida state in the orange bowl.

I would, but I don't trust Big 10 backs...

 

[az1965]

Most of the backs mentioned would not have done much better with our Offensive line. There are exceptions to every rule, but, JJ is a rookie and Shipp is coming off a very bad injury. Add to that the O-line and maybe even the play calling.

I would be willing to bet that 25 of the 29 would have like problems this year in Arizona.

GBR
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Agree. Also, no one is bringing it up but there may be questions regarding RB coaching as well. Coaching in general is sub-par for this team.

 

[Russ Smith]

Agree. Also, no one is bringing it up but there may be questions regarding RB coaching as well. Coaching in general is sub-par for this team.

What intrigues me is there's a person on a Bronco board I email off and on and the rumor there is that Shanahan doesn't think Tatum Bell is a physical enough runner and after 2 years he's convinced Bell is probably never going to be an everydown RB. So he's found a way to use Bell to his strengths and last time I checked, Bell was leading the NFL in yards per carry.

Here we can't run the ball, underutilize JJ for weeks, and then out of nowhere someone decides the best call on 4th and 2 is running JJ?

To me the big problem with those 2 calls is the one guy on this team that has shown he can make a play when needed, Anquan Boldin, didn't touch the ball on either play. JJ's piss poor effort not withstanding I can't for the life of me grasp the last 2 playcalls.

 

[D-Dogg]

Yes, JJ would start on a lot of those teams. Maybe not as a rook, but in year two.

Glad to see everyone give up on him.

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

Yes, JJ would start on a lot of those teams. Maybe not as a rook, but in year two.

Glad to see everyone give up on him.

I guess I would be curious who those multitude of teams would be? Honestly, name me 5 teams Arrington would start for and just because he is a rookie isn't an excuse. Runningback is far and away the position where rookies excel if they have it. In my opinion Arrington doesn't.

 

[D-Dogg]

This year, I'd say Jacksonville and Cleveland. New Orleans with Duece out. Green Bay yep--if JJ were there Gado would never had gotten a shot. Probably Tenessee too; Brown is overrated.

And yeah, it is an issue being a rookie, and it should be factored in. You named the starters for all the teams and two are rookies. Hmmm.

 

[bratwurst]

I'll go further - if Shipp had another year of eligibility at UMASS, would he start there at this point?

 

[john h]

Great running backs make average offensive lines look good. WE have an average offensive line and a serious lack of talent at running back. JJ might be that guy, but we've seen so little of him it's hard to decide. I'm afraid Marcel is finished as a pro. It doesn't look like he has anything left after the injury and he wasn't anything spectacular before the injury.

Like the title of this thread suggest I do not think either of our RB's are what we need. You cannot wait around thinking a RB will develop. The good ones are ready from day one. There are some very good rookies playing this year who are big producers. You do not teach or learn instinct,speed, courage, power. They come with you right out of college. With Jones and Hearst they were both injured while Cards but if you look at their YPC you will see they were good when they were carring he ball. JJ is not a power runner and does not seem to like contact. I do not see him getting any better as some think. We need a power runner and one who can make the long run on occasion. I think Boldin is a better runner than either of our RB's. He will rock defenders and has the moves to fake them out. He can do it all and was a QB in some games at Florida. You can put down RB as a big need next year. At this point I put a RB or two ahead of a QB as Warner should last 2 more years. We still need that ellusive QB of the future but at the moment we need RB's today. We have the worst running game in the NFL. What else can you say?

 

[CardNots]

Buzz does nothing for the fans of AZ. The casual fan here is fair wheather types for the most part, and no amount of buzz will help, only winning will.

Are you kidding me? As a Cardinal fan, I live on the off-season buzz. Without the buzz, it would be useless to be a Cardinal fan.

Hope is the only thing I have from year to year. My true football season begins in week 13 and ends after opening kickoff of the first regular season game.