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Mitch said:
Leonard Davis to the Texans for a swap of first round picks, assuming the Texans would have the number one pick?

They need o-linemen in the worst way and could come out of the first round with Leonard Davis and D'Brickshaw Ferguson or Eric Winston.

The Cardinals could then land Reggie Bush...what a calling Card for the new stadium!!!

Adding two o-linemen in free agency would then be imperative.
I wouldn't for 2 reasons:

1. There are no quality OT in FA
2. The draft is loaded with top OT prospects.

That means that we won't be able to replace Big in FA or with the 1st pick (if we use it on Bush). Furthermore, the strong draft makes BIG's trade value lower.

I doubt BIG is being traded with this strong OT class. Just doesn't seem realistic.

A trade could happen, but it would involve BJ and our 2007 #1 for Rivers. Trade for Rivers, sign LeCharles Bentney and use the 1st pick on a LT.
 

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Great trade for the Cards, lousy for the Texans.

Not gonna happen. Texans will dump Carr and make the mistake of taking Leinhart.

I could never in my wildest dreams see a top OT coming to Arizona. Top FA OTs get top money anywhere and I can't imagine one coming to a losing situtation instead of a potential SB contender in a higher profile market. Everybody in the NFL has the cash, some just like to keep it.
 

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Who gives a damn about who our starting LT would be? Heck, move Wells over there for all I care. We're talking about a shot at what might be the next great player out there.

How would you have felt if you could have traded a, say, Orlando Brown for the opportunity to draft Marshall Faulk? Would you do it, even if you don't have a replacement for Brown? Well, if you wouldn't, you'd look pretty stupid pretty quickly.
 

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No way the Texans would even consider such a trade. Especially, given the performance of Davis and his huge contract.

They could just as easily take Bush and with their high 2nd round pick trade back up into the 1st round and nab a good OT in this deep OT draft.

BTW, McDougle and Runyan are RTs.

If anything, the Cards might want to stick with Arrington and draft an OT in the first round themselves.
 

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While Bush is the best running back I've seen in some time, I'd rather finish out the season with four more wins and end up drafting in the middle of the pack........and give serious consideration to LenDale White. We would then have a 1-2 punch with two distinctly different kinds of RB's in White and Arrington.
 

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If we were doing that specifically to target Bush, why not trade JJ/BJ/#1 for HOU #1? That allows us to KEEP LD, who is actually very good in spite of the mental mistakes.
Because the Texans don't need a RB--they need an OL.
 

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I don't know why everyone wants to get rid of Davis. He is he Cards best O lineman. Is it because the only thing that the fan sees are the false starts? Is the money? All LT make big money. That is the NFL.

I don't want the Cards to get rid of him.
 

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Toro said:
I don't know why everyone wants to get rid of Davis. He is he Cards best O lineman. Is it because the only thing that the fan sees are the false starts? Is the money? All LT make big money. That is the NFL.

I don't want the Cards to get rid of him.

Why hasnt Davis ever made the Pro Bowl? His NFL peers dont think he is one of the best in the league. Based on where he was drafted, his college career, his physical ability and his extremely impressive perfomance on individual plays he is not consistently playing up to his ability. He should be a guy who is consistently on the Pro Bowl team.

It appears to me he has Bidwillitis. He is one of many who appear to do only what he needs to do to keep his paycheck. He recognizes the Cards can not do what is neccessary to win so he is not going to bust his hump. He will play at the level of his teammates on the line. Sporting News this week says he is underperforming and that has been said many times by Sporting News and others.
 

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Why hasnt Davis ever made the Pro Bowl? His NFL peers dont think he is one of the best in the league. Based on where he was drafted, his college career, his physical ability and his extremely impressive perfomance on individual plays he is not consistently playing up to his ability. He should be a guy who is consistently on the Pro Bowl team.

It appears to me he has Bidwillitis. He is one of many who appear to do only what he needs to do to keep his paycheck. He recognizes the Cards can not do what is neccessary to win so he is not going to bust his hump. He will play at the level of his teammates on the line. Sporting News this week says he is underperforming and that has been said many times by Sporting News and others.
None of this changes the fact he's our best offensive lineman. :shrug:
 

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Stout said:
Who gives a damn about who our starting LT would be? Heck, move Wells over there for all I care. We're talking about a shot at what might be the next great player out there.

How would you have felt if you could have traded a, say, Orlando Brown for the opportunity to draft Marshall Faulk? Would you do it, even if you don't have a replacement for Brown? Well, if you wouldn't, you'd look pretty stupid pretty quickly.

Marshall Faulk had 3,752 yards rushing and receiving and scored 18 TD's 1997-1998. The Colts were 6-26. And ended up trading Faulk for what?

Also with Orlando Brown you get a free AARP membership.
 

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BigRedMO said:
Why hasnt Davis ever made the Pro Bowl?

The pro bowl is a complete farce. Fans can start voting for it even before the half way mark. It is a popularity contest, thats it. It is probably the least important all star game out of all the major sports.

Make all the arguements you want in the Davis bashing but the pro bowl issue is reaching for straws.
 

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Marshall Faulk had 3,752 yards rushing and receiving and scored 18 TD's 1997-1998. The Colts were 6-26. And ended up trading Faulk for what?

:thumbup:
 

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joeshmo said:
The pro bowl is a complete farce. Fans can start voting for it even before the half way mark. It is a popularity contest, thats it. It is probably the least important all star game out of all the major sports.

Make all the arguements you want in the Davis bashing but the pro bowl issue is reaching for straws.

WHile I agree the pro-bowl can be a poularity contest. Regularly the best players at their psotion will make it regardless of that fact. If it was based on pure popularity Bertrand Berry wouldnt have been a starter for the NFC last year regardless fo his performance.

The fact the LD doesnt even get a sniff for the pro bowl says a lot wether you like it or not.
 

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None of this changes the fact he's our best offensive lineman. :shrug:

That still isnt saying a whole lot. If he isnt willing to resrtucture he needs to be givin his walking papers.
 

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Shane H said:
That still isnt saying a whole lot. If he isnt willing to resrtucture he needs to be givin his walking papers.

But that still leaves the question of who plays Left Tackle next season and do you want yet another makeover of the Offensive Line?
 

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Duckjake said:
Marshall Faulk had 3,752 yards rushing and receiving and scored 18 TD's 1997-1998. The Colts were 6-26. And ended up trading Faulk for what?

Also with Orlando Brown you get a free AARP membership.

Edgerrin James if I am correct.:shrug: Seamed like a good trade to me.
 

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CardinalLaw said:
Edgerrin James if I am correct.:shrug: Seamed like a good trade to me.

The Colts got James with the 2nd round selection they got from the Rams? Or was it the 5th? :shrug:
 

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Duckjake said:
The Colts got James with the 2nd round selection they got from the Rams? Or was it the 5th? :shrug:

They got him with the 1st cause they didn't have Faulk anymore. Had they not been able to deal Faulk they wouldn't be in a position to draft him.
 

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joeshmo said:
The pro bowl is a complete farce. Fans can start voting for it even before the half way mark. It is a popularity contest, thats it. It is probably the least important all star game out of all the major sports.

Make all the arguements you want in the Davis bashing but the pro bowl issue is reaching for straws.

If you compare the Pro Bowl selections to the All Star teams selected by the Sporting News, wire services and other media sources you will find a lot of commonality among the selections. I am not aware of Davis making any of those teams either.
 
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CardinalLaw said:
They got him with the 1st cause they didn't have Faulk anymore. Had they not been able to deal Faulk they wouldn't be in a position to draft him.

:confused:

Why on earth would a team trade one of the greatest running backs ever so they could use a high first round pick on another running back?

Are you saying that Faulk, who went on to win a Super Bowl ring with the Rams, was that bad? So bad that the Colts passed up the chance to draft Champ Bailey or Torry Holt just to get rid of him?

If so, why would you trade a solid offensive lineman for the chance to draft him?
 

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Duckjake said:
:confused:

Why on earth would a team trade one of the greatest running backs ever so they could use a high first round pick on another running back?

Are you saying that Faulk, who went on to win a Super Bowl ring with the Rams, was that bad? So bad that the Colts passed up the chance to draft Champ Bailey or Torry Holt just to get rid of him?

If so, why would you trade a solid offensive lineman for the chance to draft him?
Well lets see.

Edgerrin has 1240 + whatever yard he has today on the ground. Plus 225 yards recieving. Faulk has 300 yards total. So yes, I would be crazy and pull off that trade. As for Big for the greates RB to come out of college, I just might be crazy again but yes I would.
 

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If a team had to pick a year to finish with the worst record in football there are certain years when it is worth it to the organization. There are years when a player comes out with the ability to completely change the poor fortunes of a football team. Lawrence Taylor when he joined the Giants turned around a team that was as pathetic as the Cardinals are now. I remember that game where the Giants were leading the Eagles with seconds left and handed the ball off instead of kneeling down resulting in them losing to the Eagles in a way nobody loses. The Giants were as hapless as the Cards are now. I realize the Giants had more than Taylor but I think he was the key. A guy like Elway, Montana, Favre, Campbell, Dickerson, Marino, Namath, Taylor or Singletary can change the fortunes of an organization. I realize Favre was not a number one pick. The point is to name guys who revolutionized their teams. I really think Bush is that kind of guy.

By the way CBS was running a poll of which rookie has made the most impact this year. Rolle was not among the 5 choices listed. There is never a Cardinal player listed in those polls of who is the best or makes the biggest difference.
 
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By the way CBS was running a poll of which rookie has made the most impact this year. Rolle was not among the 5 choices listed. There is never a Cardinal player listed in those polls of who is the best or makes the biggest difference.

Um what point are your trying to make. The only point that can be made is that CBS is smart enough to not put a rookie who has only played 3 games in their poll.

Boldin was on those polls last year, as was Fitz i am willing to bet.
 

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By the way CBS was running a poll of which rookie has made the most impact this year. Rolle was not among the 5 choices listed. There is never a Cardinal player listed in those polls of who is the best or makes the biggest difference.

Cough, Boldin, Cough.:thumbup:
 

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Duckjake said:
Marshall Faulk had 3,752 yards rushing and receiving and scored 18 TD's 1997-1998. The Colts were 6-26. And ended up trading Faulk for what?

Also with Orlando Brown you get a free AARP membership.

And as he was leaving the talent around him was building up. Coincidence? I think not. THis is a hugely lame post. He was the ONLY THING THEY HAD. You put Bush on this team, we already have two all-pro style WRs. Then you add pieces. May make for a hard season, but it'll work out well in the end.
 

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