WWYD In a Kobe Trade?

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

He's most likely going nowhere and a slim chance to Chicago, but was curious

I would do

Marion/Bell/#24 and-or ATL '08

for

Bryant/Turiaf



That would give us
Nash
Kobe/barbosa
KT/Turiaf
Amare
Diaw



WWYD?

 

[F-Dog]

Hypothetically speaking, this is what a Kobe trade would look like:


Marion
James Jones
Barbosa
Atlanta's pick

Kobe
Vlad Radmonovic


Marion will either opt out next summer or his contract will expire the summer after that, and the same is true for JR--worst case, in 2009 they'll have almost their entire cap to spend in free agency. Barbosa and the pick are pieces to rebuild around.

The Suns have to take Vlad Rad because his contract goes on forever. By the same token, the Lakers won't be interested in taking Banks even though they kind of like him.


This is just theoretical, though. The Buss family will send Kobe to the Knicks for garbage before they trade him to a division rival.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

The Buss family will send Kobe to the Knicks for garbage before they trade him to a division rival.

which is silly, because regardless of where he goes, the kobe-less lakers wont go anywhere anytime soon.

 

[Diawsome]

I'm stealing the foundation of this trade and adding in my own creativity to it. A 3 way trade with Boston added in.

Suns trade: Shawn Marion, Leandro Barbosa, James Jones & Atlanta's 1st rounder
Suns recieve: Kobe Bryant and Vladimir Radmanovic

Boston trades: Theo Ratliff, Delonte West & the #5 pick
Boston recieves: Shawn Marion

Los Angeles trades: Kobe Bryant, Vladimir Radmanovic
Los Angeles recieves: Theo Ratliff, Delonte West, James Jones, Leandro Barbosa, #5 overall & Atlanta's 2008 1st rounder.

All teams meet CBA requirements (125% +100,000)
Suns give $22,644,000 and take back $25,122,825
Celtics give $13,556,425 and take back $16,440,000
Lakers give $25,122,825 and take back $22,060,425

Lakers get rid of their worst contract in Radmanovic and brings back a lot of young talent and an expiring contract which gives them multiple options for which way they want to move the franchise towards. They could rebuild around Bynum, Barbosa, Farmar, West, #5 overall, #19 overall and the Atlanta pick or they could use some of them as well as an Ratliff/Odom/Brown as trade bait for a Marcus Camby or a Kevin Garnett.


Celtics land Marion for the same package they were offering to Phoenix. They don't lose much other than the #5 pick and they get that 2nd star to put alongside Pierce.

Suns land Kobe Bryant while keeping Amare Stoudemire. They take on Radmanovic (whom I believe Kerr has mentioned he believes is a player who would fit in well in the Suns system) to appease Los Angeles. Remembering that Barbosa is a BYC player which means that only half of his yearly salary is accounted for in trade value noted above. In reality if the Suns did this they would actually be giving up $24,944,000 in total salary which would result in an increase of about 3-4 million (after you factor in Kobe's trade kicker) total in payroll (including luxury tax costs) which would be made up by the jersey sales that Kobe would bring.

 

[azirish]

So you expect the Lakers to trade Kobe for Leandro and two first round draft picks?

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

All that does is free up a lot of cash for LA basically...

 

[azirish]

All that does is free up a lot of cash for LA basically...

Pretty much.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

I'll bite and say that's not the WORST net return they could wind up getting for Kobe, but it's a far cry from the best.

Barbosa would give them some explosive speed, but he'd be a pretty substantial downgrade from Kobe.. West, is he a 2/3 or a PG? He's got game, but an undefined position. Jones would more or less wind up taking Vlad Rad's space on the roster..

As for the two draft picks, in this year's draft that 5th pick isn't quite as appealing as it might be in years past. There's a pretty good reason Boston let out a collective groan when they wound up with the pick, and even more so a reason why they're willing to trade the pick for what they can get. At 5, there's not one player that's going to be available who will justify them trading Bryant.

The pick next year? It's a big "WHAT IF". If the Hawks suck again, wind up in the Lotto and get that top pick, OJ Mayo would be a long term respectable replacement for Kobe, but at the same time we don't know what the hell to expect from the Hawks next season.

 

[Diawsome]

So you expect the Lakers to trade Kobe for Leandro and two first round draft picks?

You would have to look at the long term results of this trade. Lakers aren't going to be bringing in equal value for Kobe. The Suns and Bulls are the only teams he is willing to go to that have the pieces to put a decent offer together (unlike New York). If the Lakers trade Kobe it isn't going to be some Kobe for KG like swap, using the offer I posted the Lakers would get 2 solid draft picks, an expiring contract and a young rising star in Barbosa as well as getting rid of their worst long term contract. This deal would save LA 60 million dollars over the next 4 years which gives them the ability to jump into the free agent market in a year of their choosing (I suppose the 2010 off-season where Lebron, Wade and Bosh will all opt out of their contracts) and a young core of Barbosa, Bynum the 2 lottery picks as well as a top 20 pick this year is a great starting point to rebuild.

Look at the recent history of stars being traded and you will see that is a pretty good return compared to what others got.

Shaq: Lamar Odom, Brian Grant, Caron Butler and a mid 1st pick
Iverson: Andre Miller, Joe Smith, 21st overall pick and a future 1st rounder.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Just by fooling with the trade checker on ESPN, one deal makes sense for the Lakers and work financially..

Philadelphia Gets

Kobe

Los Angeles Gets

Andre Igoudala
Andre Miller
Samuel Dalembert
21st pick and 30th pick
or their 12th pick

Lakers get a budding star in Igoudala, a huge upgrade at PG (then again, one of us would be an improvement over Smush Parker) and one who can groom Jordan Farmar, and pick up a center, allowing them to move Bynum to the PF position.

It won't happen, but to me that's one of a few deals that the Lakers would actually benefit from trading Kobe, one where he'd probably actually agree to waive his no-trade.

 

[JoRain]

didn't see that posted yet

from ESPN

Ric Bucher of ESPN reports that Kobe Bryant wants to be traded to either the Bulls, Suns or Knicks.

The Lakers reportedly do not want Bryant to remain within the Western Conference and that the Knicks are unlikely to have enough talent to get a deal done, which makes Chicago the prohibitive favorites.

Bucher reports some GM's expect a trade to be completed before the draft.

I really hope Suns ain't getting that Cancer !!

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Did this really need another thread?

 

[elindholm]

Neat idea, Diawsome. It probably makes too much sense to work, but it seems to address the needs of all three teams.

The "outgoing" and "incoming" salaries in your breakdown don't add up, which means there's a math error somewhere, but it's probably not enough to interfere with the legality of the proposal.

 

[slinslin]

I would give them Marion, Barbosa and Atlantas pick for Kobe.

We could still go for Camby with Thomas and picks, or a small forward with Bell.

 

[SactownSunsFan]

What Would Yuma Do?

Sactown misses Yuma

 

[scoutmasterdave]

Philadelphia Gets
Kobe

Los Angeles Gets
Andre Igoudala
Andre Miller
Samuel Dalembert
21st pick and 30th pick
or their 12th pick

It won't happen, but to me that's one of a few deals that the Lakers would actually benefit from trading Kobe, one where he'd probably actually agree to waive his no-trade.

Why on earth would Kobe waive his no-trade clause to go to a completely gutted Philadelphia team that sucked before it was gutted? Yeah, he went to high school there, but I think the guy would rather have a remote chance at winning a championship.

 

[AsUdUdE]

I would do something along these lines

Suns Trade:
Marion, Bell, Jones Jr, #24, #29, 2008 ATL pick,

Suns recieve:
Kobe, Radmonivic, Turiaf

The suns lineup of:

Nash/Barbosa
Kobe/Barbosa
Hill/Radmonivic
Diaw/Turiaf
Amare/KT

The Lakers get an All Star, a solid 2, a good young swing man who can stroke it, and 2 picks in this draft, a high pick in next draft their linup would be

PG: Farmar/Parker
SG: Bell/Vujacic
SF: Marion/Walton
PF: Odom/Cook
C: Bynum/ Brown

They also clear room to go after Agent 0 next year.... knowing if they can land Arenas, with the front court they already have, they could make a run at a championship, they would be set about 14 million under the cap to make a run at Arenas...

Ofcourse this trade would have to go throgh sarver first since he would be paying luxury tax for the next 3-4 years, they would have to be the favorite by far for the next 4 years...... Its also important to remember Kobe is still only 28, and is in the prme of his career.....

I would do the trade, and believe it makes sense for both teams...

Thoughts?

 

[Chaplin]

The chances of getting Turiaf are remote. It's one thing to trade away Kobe freaking Bryant, but if they do, then Turiaf becomes the only fan favorite on the team. Bryant won't get packaged with anything more than Radmanovic, and that's it.

 

[elindholm]

The chances of getting Turiaf are remote. It's one thing to trade away Kobe freaking Bryant, but if they do, then Turiaf becomes the only fan favorite on the team. Bryant won't get packaged with anything more than Radmanovic, and that's it.

That's correct. Any team going after Bryant can forget about Turiaf.

 

[JS22]

Marion, Barbosa, #24, ATL pick next year.

 

[Diawsome]

Neat idea, Diawsome. It probably makes too much sense to work, but it seems to address the needs of all three teams.

The "outgoing" and "incoming" salaries in your breakdown don't add up, which means there's a math error somewhere, but it's probably not enough to interfere with the legality of the proposal.

True, I just saw I was 1 million short on the Suns outgoing side. The rest of the difference in total outgoing vs. incoming salary (2.8 million) can be attributed to Barbosa's BYC contract.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Diawsome's trade makes a lot of sense to me. I don't know why George didn't count West as having any value. And like AsuDude said, they would free up a LOT of money to chase Arenas (although in his proposal it is based on Marion opting out, while with Diawsome it happens no matter what).

If the Lakers could offer max money to Arenas, I would have to think he would take it.

 

[AsUdUdE]

yeah i agree they will probably not include turiaf into a deal... but we can dream can't we...

and for the record, i don't think i want to trade for bryant... im afraid of what kobe and Amare would end up doing to each other... just my opinion...

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

and for the record, i don't think i want to trade for bryant... im afraid of what kobe and Amare would end up doing to each other... just my opinion...

Win a string of championships is what they would do.


They both respect the hell out of each other, and they don't hide it in the media.

 

[elindholm]

True, I just saw I was 1 million short on the Suns outgoing side. The rest of the difference in total outgoing vs. incoming salary (2.8 million) can be attributed to Barbosa's BYC contract.

BRILLIANT!