Xtra910: Suns very interested in James Jones from the Pacers.

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If the Suns are actually considering trading for this guy, then they obviously see something in him. Just look what they did in getting Joe away from Boston. I'm not going to discount what the front office does until I see failure on the court.
 

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Here's a statement from local media regarding the James Jones rumor and a rehashing of the info RE: Finley:

Interest runs deep for free agent Finley By Jerry Brown, Tribune August 17, 2005 What two things do the Detroit Pistons, Miami Heat, Phoenix Suns and San Antonio Spurs have in common? All four teams reached the NBA’s conference finals in June.
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And all four want free agent guard Michael Finley to help them make a return visit next season.

Finley became an unrestricted free agent late Monday night when the Dallas Mavericks waived him under the one-time "amnesty’’ provision of the collective bargaining agreement. Sources say the Suns were the first team of eight or nine to reach Finley’s agent, Henry Thomas, early Tuesday morning and the team is putting on the fullcourt press in an attempt to bring the former Sun back to town.

Phoenix was already trying to set up a meeting with Finley — either going to him or having him come to Arizona — an indication that a quick decision is unlikely. He will not even clear waivers for seven days.

Of the teams that made contact, Detroit, Miami, Phoenix and San Antonio figure to have the best chance, with the Denver Nuggets looked upon as a dark horse to snag the two-time All-Star who still has $51.9 million coming from Dallas and now is looking for the best situation.

"(Finley) is in the process of narrowing it down and focusing on what teams he’d like to go to,’’ Thomas said. "He’s most interested in going to a situation where he has a chance to win a championship.

"(Money) will be looked at along with other factors, and ultimately Michael will have to prioritize.’’

If money really matters, the Suns can’t match up. They have the least amount to offer Finley — the veteran’s minimum of $1.138 million — while Detroit, Miami and Denver have their full mid-level exception of $5 million. San Antonio has part of its exception — less than the other three teams, but still more than Phoenix.

But from a comfort level, the Suns will rank highly:

• Phoenix made Finley the 21st overall pick of the 1995 draft and as recently as May, Finley spoke about how he enjoyed Arizona and the warmth of the fans. Even after he was traded to Dallas the day after Christmas in 1996, a deal that brought Jason Kidd to Phoenix, the connection has remained.

• Finley has a close relationship with former Maverick and reigning NBA MVP Steve Nash and was upset when Dallas allowed him to leave for Phoenix last summer. Even after undergoing ankle surgery in the offseason, Finley made an appearance at Nash’s charity basketball game in Toronto last month.

• With Joe Johnson headed to Atlanta, the Suns have an opening at the shooting guard spot and plenty of playing time for a player coming off career-low numbers last year hoping to prove he can still be an impact player.

With Detroit and San Antonio, Finley would come off the bench. In Miami, he would likely play small forward. Denver can offer him the playing time, but not the chance to play for a legitimate contender.

While there are no other amnesty players that interest Phoenix, sources indicate the Suns are also looking at 6-foot-8 Indiana forward James Jones, a restricted free agent, as a possibility whether or not Finley goes elsewhere.

Jones, a 2003 second-round pick out of Miami (Fla.), played in 75 games with the Pacers last season, averaging 4.7 points and just more than 16 minutes while shooting almost 40 percent from 3-point range.

The Suns are over the salary cap and can’t sign Jones outright, but will have a $4.9 million trade exception once the Johnson deal with Atlanta is finalized — which could allow them to use it for a signand trade deal with the Pacers. The deal with Atlanta, which will bring guard Boris Diaw and two protected firstround picks, is expected to be completed by Friday.


Miami Heat Pros

• Can offer the $5 million midlevel exception.

• The chance to play for a title contender and enjoy Miami/ South Beach lifestyle.

• Shares agent (Henry Thomas) with Heat star Dwyane Wade.

• Knows coach Stan Van Gundy from their days at Wisconsin.

Cons

• Switching to the Eastern Conference for the first time.

• Does he want to start over with a new team?

• A logjam at shooting guard, minutes could be limited.

• Jason Williams is no Steve Nash. Antoine Walker? Enough said.

Phoenix Suns Pros

• A former Sun, he knows the city, fans and organization.

• Would step into the starting shooting guard spot.

• Reuniting with close friend and point guard Steve Nash.

• A chance to haunt Mavs owner Mark Cuban.

Cons

• Can only offer the veteran minimum of $1.138 million.

• Organization traded him away. Can you go home again?

• Are the Suns still a championship threat?

• Must share minutes with Jimmy Jackson and Raja Bell.

San Antonio Spurs Pros

• Count the rings, baby.

• The ultimate team concept is up his alley.

• A chance to stay in Texas, just a short flight from Dallas.

• With a short bench, still playing time available.

Cons

• Can only offer the veteran minimum of $1.138 million.

• Won’t be a starter, and probably not a finisher.

• How many shots are left after Duncan, Parker, Ginobili and Horry?

• Phoenix, Miami, San Antonio ... which lifestyle doesn’t match up?

Detroit Pistons Pros

• Has the $5 million exception.

• A championship-caliber team that could use another shooter.

• Larry Brown out, Flip Saunders in.

• A Midwest guy, he knows the area.

Cons

• Switching to the Eastern Conference for the first time.

• A big change from run-andgun Mavs to methodical Pistons.

• Probably coming off the bench. Playing time?

• With Brown gone, is the championship window still open?
 

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Dustbuster said:
Here's a statement from local media regarding the James Jones rumor and a rehashing of the info RE: Finley:

Interest runs deep for free agent Finley By Jerry Brown, Tribune August 17, 2005 What two things do the Detroit Pistons, Miami Heat, Phoenix Suns and San Antonio Spurs have in common? All four teams reached the NBA’s conference finals in June.
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And all four want free agent guard Michael Finley to help them make a return visit next season.

Finley became an unrestricted free agent late Monday night when the Dallas Mavericks waived him under the one-time "amnesty’’ provision of the collective bargaining agreement. Sources say the Suns were the first team of eight or nine to reach Finley’s agent, Henry Thomas, early Tuesday morning and the team is putting on the fullcourt press in an attempt to bring the former Sun back to town.

Phoenix was already trying to set up a meeting with Finley — either going to him or having him come to Arizona — an indication that a quick decision is unlikely. He will not even clear waivers for seven days.

It's actually 48 hours, meaning he clears waivers at just before midnight eastern tonight (since he was released by Dallas just before midnight eastern on Monday).
 

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jlove said:
It's actually 48 hours, meaning he clears waivers at just before midnight eastern tonight (since he was released by Dallas just before midnight eastern on Monday).

Jlove, I take it this means that the waiver length is different for amnesty cases than it is for typical waivers? Waivers are typically a week; are amnesties different?
 

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I'm thinking and hoping a flood of Suns' signings/announcements occurs Friday including the consumation of the JJ sign and trade and the signing of Michael Finley as a Sun.

Does anyone know what time the JJ deal can be officially completed on Friday? I'm hoping it's early in the day. I couldn't stand to wait until Monday for an official announcement.
 

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Dustbuster said:
Jlove, I take it this means that the waiver length is different for amnesty cases than it is for typical waivers? Waivers are typically a week; are amnesties different?

Yes, amnesties are only 48 hours.
 

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Dustbuster said:
Jlove, I take it this means that the waiver length is different for amnesty cases than it is for typical waivers? Waivers are typically a week; are amnesties different?

Yes, amnesties are different to an extent. None of the amnestied (sp?) players can be signed prior to 15 Aug 05, nor can they be signed within 48 hours of being anestied. That was the porvision on this one time deal in the new CBA.
 

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Dustbuster said:
• Phoenix made Finley the 21st overall pick of the 1995 draft and as recently as May, Finley spoke about how he enjoyed Arizona and the warmth of the fans. Even after he was traded to Dallas the day after Christmas in 1996, a deal that brought Jason Kidd to Phoenix, the connection has remained.

• Finley has a close relationship with former Maverick and reigning NBA MVP Steve Nash and was upset when Dallas allowed him to leave for Phoenix last summer. Even after undergoing ankle surgery in the offseason, Finley made an appearance at Nash’s charity basketball game in Toronto last month.

• With Joe Johnson headed to Atlanta, the Suns have an opening at the shooting guard spot and plenty of playing time for a player coming off career-low numbers last year hoping to prove he can still be an impact player. [/QUOTE

In my humble opinion, these three Pros easily outweigh..


• Organization traded him away. Can you go home again?

This con.

Honestly, the only issue I can see that would prevent Finley from returning to Phoenix would be the money. Obviously, Phoenix wouldn't be able to offer him as much as a team like Denver. I think they do have the obvious advantage in the sense that he knows the Sun organization, the city of Phoenix and of course Nash. If it comes down to say Phoenix or San Antonio, I do see him returning. Same with Phoenix or Miami, because frankly I can't see him wanting to be in a system where Shaq, Williams and Walker all command the ball every shot (although Nowitzki isn't exactly what you'd call pass friendly himself).

Honestly, if I had to make a prediction right now, on the spot, I'd say Finley is returning to the Valley of the Sun. However, that's just speculation. A few months ago, if you'd have told me that Joe Johnson was going to spurn the Suns to sign with Atlanta, I'd have laughed you out of the building.

As for Jones, again a lot of it depends on what happens with Finley. Getting Diaw will give the team the SG/SF of the future to build with, so I don't know whether or not Jones would be that fit. His three point percentage is certainly nice though, and the more young kids the team has to develop, the better.
 

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Dustbuster said:
Jlove, I take it this means that the waiver length is different for amnesty cases than it is for typical waivers? Waivers are typically a week; are amnesties different?


It depends on the day they are waived. Before August 15th is 7 days, after August 15th (and before the regular season) is 2 days
 

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