Yahoo's Jason Cole on Peyton, Kolb, and Skelton

[Brian in Mesa]

Heard Jason Cole in a local radio interview about Peyton today. Might have been on Cesmat's show...?

Anyway - he said he has two sources close to Peyton and it is clear that Peyton is not recovering as well as hoped. His neck is fine - that part was the surgery, which was successful. The use of his throwing arm and regaining strength in the arm - that is what people need to focus on. He should be progressing and rumor is he has hit a plateau and is not gaining more strength (translation: velocity on the ball, long throws, etc).

He said that whichever team picks up Peyton may have to consider this year a lost year and that if he can make it back at all - it wouldn't be until 2013.

Here is his article that he was answering questions about:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-cole_peyton_manning_colts_neck_surgery_jim_irsay013012

So then he was asked what he thought the Cards would do...and he said the following:

They will pass on Peyton because he won't be ready to go in time for them to commit to him this year and beyond.

They'll keep Kolb and pay him his bonus/pay.

He also predicted that before the season is halfway over - John Skelton will be our starting QB.

When pushed he said it was his opinion based on what he has heard from players. He said "Skelton has the locker room."

 

[TJ]

Both Skelton and Kolb are genuinely good people and have leadership characteristics, unlike Leinart and Anderson. Not surprised to hear that about Skelton, but Kolb has also been praised for his leadership by guys like Tim Ryan, Adam Schein and others on Sirius nfl radio.

The more I hear about Manning's situation, the more I think he'll either retire or won't play at an optimal level any longer.

 

[FArting]

Heard Jason Cole in a local radio interview about Peyton today. Might have been on Cesmat's show...?

Anyway - he said he has two sources close to Peyton and it is clear that Peyton is not recovering as well as hoped. His neck is fine - that part was the surgery, which was successful. The use of his throwing arm and regaining strength in the arm - that is what people need to focus on. He should be progressing and rumor is he has hit a plateau and is not gaining more strength (translation: velocity on the ball, long throws, etc).

He said that whichever team picks up Peyton may have to consider this year a lost year and that if he can make it back at all - it wouldn't be until 2013.

Here is his article that he was answering questions about:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-cole_peyton_manning_colts_neck_surgery_jim_irsay013012

So then he was asked what he thought the Cards would do...and he said the following:

They will pass on Peyton because he won't be ready to go in time for them to commit to him this year and beyond.

They'll keep Kolb and pay him his bonus/pay.

He also predicted that before the season is halfway over - John Skelton will be our starting QB.

When pushed he said it was his opinion based on what he has heard from players. He said "Skelton has the locker room."

He was on the Gambo and Burns show this afternoon.

 

[WarnerHOF]

I would still take noodle arm Peyton. He would still be better than all of the QBs on this roster combined.

 

[Drop D]

Have Peyton throw left handed. Plus, they could move Levi to the right side.

 

[JeffGollin]

I would still take noodle arm Peyton. He would still be better than all of the QBs on this roster combined.

And if he was sitting on the sidelines, on IR or forced to retire because the neck didn't hold up, would he still be better than all the QB's on this roster combined?

 

[Duckjake]

And if he was sitting on the sidelines, on IR or forced to retire because the neck didn't hold up, would he still be better than all the QB's on this roster combined?

Maybe not the 2011 group but for sure better than 2010.

 

[ARZCardinals]

sounds like nonsense to me.

Skelton made too many dumb dumb mistakes and lucky to make it up in the 4th quarter.

 

[JC_AZ]

it is likely both Skelton and Kolb will improve from last year, however, when considering the cost to keep Kolb who many feel will lose his job to an improved Skelton... why keep him for the huge bonus dollars when he is one Levi Brown "oh crap there he goes again" hit away from retirement...Bartel would be a serviceable backup IMHO and bring in another veteran just in case, or even draft another young guy...if PM is healthy, by all means he is the best option and would be great for our receivers as well... not to mention an ideal mentor for Skelton who has shown flashes of his skillset that could only improve while watching/learning from PM in the interim

 

[RugbyMuffin]

sounds like nonsense to me.

Skelton made too many dumb dumb mistakes and lucky to make it up in the 4th quarter.

Agreed. Skelton needs work.

Plus Kolb was a lot better, cause Kolb too made to many dumb dumb mistakes and ....... that is all I got.

 

[kerouac9]

Both Skelton and Kolb are genuinely good people and have leadership characteristics, unlike Leinart and Anderson. Not surprised to hear that about Skelton, but Kolb has also been praised for his leadership by guys like Tim Ryan, Adam Schein and others on Sirius nfl radio.

The more I hear about Manning's situation, the more I think he'll either retire or won't play at an optimal level any longer.

You seem to have a pretty set opinion on four guys that I'm guessing you've never met. Do you feel confident taking the word from an organization that is maybe the worst in the NFL in evaluating the quarterback position?

It's easy to be a leader when you're sitting on the bench saying "yes, coach," and "good job, Donovan/Mike".

 

[BigRedRage]

You seem to have a pretty set opinion on four guys that I'm guessing you've never met. Do you feel confident taking the word from an organization that is maybe the worst in the NFL in evaluating the quarterback position?

It's easy to be a leader when you're sitting on the bench saying "yes, coach," and "good job, Donovan/Mike".

I see what TJ sees. DA seemed to not care about anyone but himself and lienart didnt seem as a leader at all. Kolb and skelton play the leaderrole well from what we can see, the best we can do is draw conclusions fromt hat.

 

[MrYeahBut]

Have Peyton throw left handed. Plus, they could move Levi to the right side.

That's seriously funny

 

[Chopper0080]

You seem to have a pretty set opinion on four guys that I'm guessing you've never met. Do you feel confident taking the word from an organization that is maybe the worst in the NFL in evaluating the quarterback position?

It's easy to be a leader when you're sitting on the bench saying "yes, coach," and "good job, Donovan/Mike".

A bit jaded today are we? I think the point being made is that it seems from the outside of the organization that both Skelton and Kolb conduct themselves as professionals and work hard which garners short term credibility with the players on the team. However, credibility goes out the window if the team consisently loses, and the QB play is correspondingly poor.

So, for right now, both Kolb and Skelton are leaders in the locker room due to the position they play, however that will only last as long as they improve their quality of play.

 

[TJ]

I see what TJ sees. DA seemed to not care about anyone but himself and lienart didnt seem as a leader at all. Kolb and skelton play the leaderrole well from what we can see, the best we can do is draw conclusions fromt hat.

Actually I have met Leinart and have many friends who went to USC with him (one of whom dated Mike Williams his wide receiver) from what I've seen and heard, he's disingenuous and grandiose. ask 100% about his experience with him. The guy just doesn't get it. This is in addition to the hundreds of reports about his poor work ethic and inability to be a leader on and off the field.

As for Anderson, he's the guy who called out Cleveland fans, got into twitter arguments with people, and went on a tirade after brig caught chuckling on the sidelines during a blowout.

So far, I've seen none of that from our current crop of QBs.

 

[kerouac9]

A bit jaded today are we? I think the point being made is that it seems from the outside of the organization that both Skelton and Kolb conduct themselves as professionals and work hard which garners short term credibility with the players on the team. However, credibility goes out the window if the team consisently loses, and the QB play is correspondingly poor.

So, for right now, both Kolb and Skelton are leaders in the locker room due to the position they play, however that will only last as long as they improve their quality of play.

Agree with all of this completely. I'm almost 100% certain that if Rackers doesn't blow kicks against Kansas City and Chicago, #7 nights still be the QB here. If the D makes one stop on 4th down in Tennessee, #7 makes it out of training camp as the starter in 2010.

But because those things didn't happen, the Lockerroom has no faith in him and his margin of error going into 2010 is paper thin. A lackluster showing at the night practice and little in the preseason sealed his fate here.

 

[Duckjake]

Actually I have met Leinart and have many friends who went to USC with him (one of whom dated Mike Williams his wide receiver) from what I've seen and heard, he's disingenuous and grandiose. ask 100% about his experience with him. The guy just doesn't get it. This is in addition to the hundreds of reports about his poor work ethic and inability to be a leader on and off the field.

As for Anderson, he's the guy who called out Cleveland fans, got into twitter arguments with people, and went on a tirade after brig caught chuckling on the on the sidelines during a blowout.

And we trust the people who hired those two to make an intelligent decision on who should be the Cardinals QB in 2012?

Well I guess we have to stay positive and hope the third time is the charm.

 

[desertdawg]

Heard Jason Cole in a local radio interview about Peyton today. Might have been on Cesmat's show...?

Anyway - he said he has two sources close to Peyton and it is clear that Peyton is not recovering as well as hoped. His neck is fine - that part was the surgery, which was successful. The use of his throwing arm and regaining strength in the arm - that is what people need to focus on. He should be progressing and rumor is he has hit a plateau and is not gaining more strength (translation: velocity on the ball, long throws, etc).

He said that whichever team picks up Peyton may have to consider this year a lost year and that if he can make it back at all - it wouldn't be until 2013.

Here is his article that he was answering questions about:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-cole_peyton_manning_colts_neck_surgery_jim_irsay013012

So then he was asked what he thought the Cards would do...and he said the following:

They will pass on Peyton because he won't be ready to go in time for them to commit to him this year and beyond.

They'll keep Kolb and pay him his bonus/pay.

He also predicted that before the season is halfway over - John Skelton will be our starting QB.

When pushed he said it was his opinion based on what he has heard from players. He said "Skelton has the locker room."

I have said all along Manning might need another year to get it together, even posted it in here somewhere. I think he will come back, but between the start time for the season and his time table... it might at least exclude him for the first part of the season. Who ever gets him, Peyton will be chomping at the bit to get in, gonna take a strong minded non-desperate coach to sit a QB like that. But I think it might be the best thing. Dude has some left in the tank, I still don't see him ever putting his neck behind this line, he's too smart, but hey...it could happen.

 

[TJ]

And we trust the people who hired those two to make an intelligent decision on who should be the Cardinals QB in 2012?

Well I guess we have to stay positive and hope the third time is the charm.

In his defense, Whis wasn't involved in drafting Leinart, just purging him.

But yes, we can only stay positive and hope he and the new QB coach can make Kolb or Skelton a threat in the passing game.

 

[MadCardDisease]

When pushed he said it was his opinion based on what he has heard from players. He said "Skelton has the locker room."

Interesting. I have heard the same thing.

 

[BigRedRage]

Interesting. I have heard the same thing.

very believable but I think Kolb could have the locker room with a solid performance.

Not sure if solid performances from Kolb are believable though = P

I wish the best and want to win and want them both to succeed brilliantly, dont care who. Prove me wrong Kolb.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Skelton had a better rapport with the team. Kolb showed up a week before the season started and went on to perform poorly in games. With an off season to mesh with his teammates, Kolb will be fine in the locker room. He still has to show he can win games but I have a hard time believing he won't be a respected player. He supposedly has great work ethic and does not come off as a prima donna.

 

[az jam]

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Skelton had a better rapport with the team. Kolb showed up a week before the season started and went on to perform poorly in games. With an off season to mesh with his teammates, Kolb will be fine in the locker room. He still has to show he can win games but I have a hard time believing he won't be a respected player. He supposedly has great work ethic and does not come off as a prima donna.

Agree, everything is have read says that he is a workaholic. Players respect that. i've heard him on lots of local talk shows. He comes across very professional and nice. Locker room won't be a problem if he plays well.

 

[kerouac9]

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Skelton had a better rapport with the team. Kolb showed up a week before the season started and went on to perform poorly in games. With an off season to mesh with his teammates, Kolb will be fine in the locker room. He still has to show he can win games but I have a hard time believing he won't be a respected player. He supposedly has great work ethic and does not come off as a prima donna.

So did Max Hall. Just because you really, really, REALLY want to be good doesn't mean that you actually are.

 

[Mainstreet]

I've believed for a long time Skelton is the Cardinals long term answer at QB, especially since he has shown the ability to win while he learns on the job. He has just completed his second year. However, I was open to Kolb being the starting QB while Skelton took the additional time to develop.

The thing that worries me about Kolb is investing more money in a player where there is a question of durability, especially his history of concussions. If Kolb were more durable I would not hesitate in bringing him back another season, however, I'm starting to wonder if Kolb can take the pounding. If the Cardinals had more picks, I'd definitely be looking at drafting another QB (or signing a FA) and keeping Bartel for depth.