You’re giving Keim more credit than he deserves.

[JosiahLee]

Below are all 42 of his draft picks dating back to 2013. Now to his credit, he has had success with free agent signings, although most have been on one year contracts so most never made more than a one year impact.

Looking at the list below, you could argue of those 42 players, only 3 have truly been “impact” players (Tyrann Mathieu, John Brown, & David Johnson)

2018 1 Josh Rosen
2018 2 Christian Kirk
2018 3 Mason Cole
2018 4 Chase Edmonds
2018 6 Christian Campbell
2018 7 Korey Cunningham

2017 1 Haason Reddick
2017 2 Budda Baker
2017 3 Chad Williams
2017 4 Dorian Johnson
2017 5 Will Holden
2017 5 T.J. Logan
2017 6 Rudy Ford

2016 1 Robert Nkemdiche
2016 3 Brandon Williams
2016 4 Evan Boehm
2016 5 Marqui Christian
2016 5 Cole Toner
2016 6 Harlan Miller

2015 1 D.J. Humphries
2015 2 Markus Golden
2015 3 David Johnson
2015 4 Rodney Gunter
2015 5 Shaquille Riddick
2015 5 JJ Nelson
2015 7 Gerald Christian

2014 1 Deone Bucannon
2014 2 Troy Niklas
2014 3 Kareem Martin
2014 3 John Brown
2014 4 Logan Thomas
2014 5 Ed Stinson
2014 6 Walt Powell

2013 1 Jonathan Cooper
2013 2 Kevin Minter
2013 3 Tyrann Mathieu
2013 4 Alex Okafor
2013 4 Earl Watford
2013 5 Stepfan Taylor
2013 6 Ryan Swope
2013 6 Andre Ellington
2013 7 D.C. Jefferson

 

[POISON]

What a trainwreck.

 

[overseascardfan]

His FA magic has also been non existent the last couple of years too.

 

[juza76]

2016
U cant draft any worse

 

[blindseyed]

2016
U cant draft any worse

I was thinking that when I looked too lol
I would argue, tho, that when healthy Markus Golden is a good player .
This year has us all razsled and wanting big changes, lets hope MB makes GOOD choices!

 

[Dr. Jones]

5 or 6 players out of 42 picks. Seems pretty poor to me!

I would argue that Rosen, Kirk, DJ, HB, Smoke, & Golden are those 6.

 

[cardncubfan]

Below are all 42 of his draft picks dating back to 2013. Now to his credit, he has had success with free agent signings, although most have been on one year contracts so most never made more than a one year impact.

Looking at the list below, you could argue of those 42 players, only 3 have truly been “impact” players (Tyrann Mathieu, John Brown, & David Johnson)

2018 1 Josh Rosen
2018 2 Christian Kirk
2018 3 Mason Cole
2018 4 Chase Edmonds
2018 6 Christian Campbell
2018 7 Korey Cunningham

2017 1 Haason Reddick
2017 2 Budda Baker
2017 3 Chad Williams
2017 4 Dorian Johnson
2017 5 Will Holden
2017 5 T.J. Logan
2017 6 Rudy Ford

2016 1 Robert Nkemdiche
2016 3 Brandon Williams
2016 4 Evan Boehm
2016 5 Marqui Christian
2016 5 Cole Toner
2016 6 Harlan Miller

2015 1 D.J. Humphries
2015 2 Markus Golden
2015 3 David Johnson
2015 4 Rodney Gunter
2015 5 Shaquille Riddick
2015 5 JJ Nelson
2015 7 Gerald Christian

2014 1 Deone Bucannon
2014 2 Troy Niklas
2014 3 Kareem Martin
2014 3 John Brown
2014 4 Logan Thomas
2014 5 Ed Stinson
2014 6 Walt Powell

2013 1 Jonathan Cooper
2013 2 Kevin Minter
2013 3 Tyrann Mathieu
2013 4 Alex Okafor
2013 4 Earl Watford
2013 5 Stepfan Taylor
2013 6 Ryan Swope
2013 6 Andre Ellington
2013 7 D.C. Jefferson

Now compare this to the other 31 teams in the league & you'll see it's average.

 

[football karma]

it would explain the volatility

the best drafted players pre-date Keim (Peterson and Fitz), or, were free agents or trades.

So, Keim gets credit for FA and Trades -- but vs drafted players, they are more expensive (see -- Chandler Jones).

by patching draft holes with more expensive players, you are tight cap wise relative to other teams.

This means its harder to keep a Calais Campbell as an example (the fact that other interesting contract decisions were made that compounded the cap situation didn't help)

 

[juza76]

if he stays its better quitting following this team
the bidwill has to fire keim for the sake of the fanbase
he cant ignore how much bad he drafted since he was hired as GM
couple of good 1 year prove it deals and the acquisition of chandler jones doesnt hide the trash he selected

 

[Chopper0080]

Let's look at it from this perspective

These players are still in the league.

Earl Watford
Alex Okafor
Tyrann Mathieu
Kevin Minter
Jonathan Cooper
Logan Thomas
John Brown
Kareem Martin
Deone Bucannon
JJ Nelson
Rodney Gunter
David Johnson
Markus Golden
DJ Humphries
Cole Toner
Marqui Christian
Evan Boehm
Brandon Williams
Robert Nkemdiche
Rudy Ford
TJ Logan
Will Holden
Chad Williams
Budda Baker
Hasson Reddick
Korey Cunningham
Chase Edmonds
Mason Cole
Christian Kirk
Josh Rosen

Not terrible. Also consider that we signed Tony Jefferson as an UDFA.

Maybe they aren't home runs, but Keim has drafted NFL level players. Maybe he needs to get better at keeping them around.

 

[JosiahLee]

5 or 6 players out of 42 picks. Seems pretty poor to me!

I would argue that Rosen, Kirk, DJ, HB, Smoke, & Golden are those 6.

Yeah there’s definitely been more than 3 players make solid contributions...But not many to do it for more than one season. I’m very hopeful Kirk will become one of those players that make an impact over multiple seasons.

 

[AZCrazy]

You must think this draft thing is easy. Who do you think is better at it? The Patriots?

2018 1 Sony Michel 31 RB 2018 0 0 0 0 12 195 881 6 7 50 0 Georgia
2018 2 Duke Dawson 56 CB 0 0 0 Florida
2018 5 Ja'Whaun Bentley 143 ILB 2018 0 0 0 0 3 1 Purdue
2018 6 Christian Sam 178 ILB 0 0 0 Arizona St.
2018 6 Braxton Berrios 210 WR 0 0 0 Miami (FL)
2018 7 Danny Etling 219 QB 0 0 0 LSU
2018 7 Keion Crossen 243 CB 2018 0 0 0 0 10 West. Carolina
2018 7 Ryan Izzo 250 TE 0 0 0 Florida St.

2017 3 Derek Rivers 83 DE 2018 0 0 0 0 5 Youngstown St.
2017 3 Antonio Garcia 85 T 0 0 0 Troy
2017 4 Deatrich Wise 131 DE 2018 0 0 0 3 31 9.5 Arkansas
2017 6 Conor McDermott 211 T 2018 0 0 0 0 7 UCLA

2016 2 Cyrus Jones 60 CB 2018 0 0 0 1 22 Alabama
2016 3 Joe Thuney 78 G 2018 0 0 3 18 47 North Carolina St.
2016 3 Jacoby Brissett 91 QB 2018 0 0 1 13 23 312 528 3500 13 7 86 336 5 North Carolina St.
2016 3 Vincent Valentine 96 DT 2018 0 0 0 3 15 1.0 Nebraska
2016 4 Malcolm Mitchell 112 WR 2016 0 0 0 4 14 32 401 4 Georgia
2016 6 Kamu Grugier-Hill 208 OLB 2018 0 0 1 2 43 1 1.0 East. Illinois
2016 6 Elandon Roberts 214 ILB 2018 0 0 2 12 43 3.0 Houston
2016 6 Ted Karras 221 G 2018 0 0 0 5 44 Illinois
2016 7 Devin Lucien 225 WR 0 0 0 Arizona St.

2015 1 Malcom Brown 32 DT 2018 0 0 4 21 59 8.5 Texas
2015 2 Jordan Richards 64 S 2018 0 0 1 6 55 Stanford
2015 3 Geneo Grissom 97 DE 2018 0 0 0 3 38 1.0 Oklahoma
2015 4 Trey Flowers 101 DE 2018 0 0 2 16 45 20.0 Arkansas
2015 4 Tre' Jackson 111 G 2015 0 0 1 6 13 Florida St.
2015 4 Shaq Mason 131 C 2018 0 0 4 23 59 Georgia Tech
2015 5 Joe Cardona 166 LS 2018 0 0 0 3 63 Navy
2015 6 Matthew Wells 178 LB 0 0 0 Mississippi St.
2015 6 A.J. Derby 202 TE 2018 0 0 0 3 25 40 452 3 Arkansas
2015 7 Darryl Roberts 247 CB 2018 0 0 0 3 42 2 Marshall
2015 7 Xzavier Dickson 253 OLB 0 0 0 Alabama

2014 1 Dominique Easley 29 DT 2018 0 0 0 6 41 1 6.5 Florida
2014 2 Jimmy Garoppolo 62 QB 2018 0 0 0 8 26 236 361 2968 17 8 48 54 1 2 -3 0 East. Illinois
2014 4 Bryan Stork 105 C 2015 0 0 1 11 21 Florida St.
2014 4 James White 130 RB 2018 0 0 0 18 62 203 826 7 244 2125 18 Wisconsin
2014 4 Cameron Fleming 140 T 2018 0 0 0 14 60 Stanford
2014 6 Jon Halapio 179 OL 2018 0 0 0 2 12 Florida
2014 6 Zach Moore 198 DE 2018 0 0 0 1 25 3.5 Concordia-St.Paul (MN)
2014 6 Jemea Thomas 206 DB 2014 0 0 0 0 2 Georgia Tech
2014 7 Jeremy Gallon

2013 2 Jamie Collins
2013 2 Aaron Dobson
2013 3 Logan Ryan
2013 3 Duron Harmon
2013 4 Josh Boyce
2013 7 Michael Buchanan
2013 7 Steve Beauharnais

The Seahawks?

2018
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 27 Rashaad Penny RB San Diego State
3 79 Rasheem Green DE USC
4 120 Will Dissly TE Washington
5 141 Shaquem Griffin LB Central Florida
5 146 Tre Flowers SAF Oklahoma State
5 149 Michael Dickson P Texas
5 168 Jamarco Jones T Ohio State
6 186 Jake Martin LB Temple
7 220 Alex McGough QB Florida International
2017 - SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
2 35 Malik McDowell DT Michigan State
2 58 Ethan Pocic C LSU
3 102 Nazair Jones DT North Carolina
3 90 Shaquill Griffin CB Central Florida
3 95 Delano Hill SAF Michigan
3 106 Amara Darboh WR Michigan
4 111 Tedric Thompson SAF Colorado
6 187 Mike Tyson SAF Cincinnati
6 210 Justin Senior T Mississippi State
7 226 David Moore WR East Central (OK)
7 249 Chris Carson RB Oklahoma State
2016 - SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 31 Germain Ifedi G Texas A&M
2 49 Jarran Reed DT Alabama
3 90 C.J. Prosise RB Notre Dame
3 94 Nick Vannett TE Ohio State
3 97 Rees Odhiambo G Boise State
5 147 Quinton Jefferson DT Maryland
5 171 Alex Collins RB Arkansas
6 215 Joey Hunt C Texas Christian
7 243 Kenny Lawler WR California
7 247 Zac Brooks RB Clemson
2015 - SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
2 63 Frank Clark DE Michigan
3 69 Tyler Lockett WR Kansas State
4 130 Terry Poole T San Diego State
4 134 Mark Glowinski G West Virginia
5 170 Tye Smith CB Towson
6 209 Obum Gwacham DE Oregon State
6 214 Kristjan Sokoli DT Buffalo
7 248 Ryan Murphy DB Oregon State
2014 - SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
2 45 Paul Richardson WR Colorado
2 64 Justin Britt T Missouri
4 108 Cassius Marsh DE UCLA
4 123 Kevin Norwood WR Alabama
4 132 Kevin Pierre-Louis OLB Boston College
5 172 Jimmy Staten DT Middle Tennessee State
6 199 Garrett Scott T Marshall
6 208 Eric Pinkins DB San Diego State
7 227 Kiero Small FB Arkansas
2013 - SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
2 62 Christine Michael RB Texas A&M
3 87 Jordan Hill DT Penn State
4 123 Chris Harper WR Kansas State
5 137 Jesse Williams DT Alabama
5 138 Tharold Simon CB LSU
5 158 Luke Willson TE Rice
6 194 Spencer Ware RB LSU
7 220 Ryan Seymour OG Vanderbilt
7 231 Ty Powell LB Harding
7 241 Jared Smith DT New Hampshire
7 242 Michael Bowie OT Northeastern State (Okla.)

Maybe the Packers?

2018 - GREEN BAY PACKERS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 18 Jaire Alexander CB Louisville
2 45 Josh Jackson CB Iowa
3 88 Oren Burks LB Vanderbilt
4 133 J'Mon Moore WR Missouri
5 138 Cole Madison G Washington State
5 172 J.K. Scott P Alabama
5 174 Marquez Valdes-Scantling WR South Florida
6 207 Equanimeous St. Brown WR Notre Dame
7 232 James Looney DE California
7 239 Hunter Bradley LS Mississippi State
7 248 Kendall Donnerson LB Southeast Missouri State
2017 - GREEN BAY PACKERS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
2 33 Kevin King CB Washington
2 61 Josh Jones SAF North Carolina State
3 93 Montravius Adams DT Auburn
4 108 Vince Biegel LB Wisconsin
4 134 Jamaal Williams RB Brigham Young
5 175 DeAngelo Yancey WR Purdue
5 182 Aaron Jones RB Texas-El Paso
6 212 Kofi Amichia C South Florida
7 247 Malachi Dupre WR LSU
7 238 Devante Mays RB Utah State
2016 - GREEN BAY PACKERS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 27 Kenny Clark NT UCLA
2 48 Jason Spriggs T Indiana
3 88 Kyler Fackrell LB Utah State
4 131 Blake Martinez LB Stanford
4 137 Dean Lowry DE Northwestern
5 163 Trevor Davis WR California
6 200 Kyle Murphy T Stanford
2015 - GREEN BAY PACKERS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 30 Damarious Randall DB Arizona State
2 62 Quinten Rollins CB Miami (Ohio)
3 94 Ty Montgomery WR Stanford
4 129 Jake Ryan LB Michigan
5 147 Brett Hundley QB UCLA
6 206 Aaron Ripkowski FB Oklahoma
6 210 Christian Ringo DE Louisiana-Lafayette
6 213 Kennard Backman TE Alabama-Birmingham
2014 - GREEN BAY PACKERS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 21 Ha Ha Clinton-Dix FS Alabama
2 53 Davante Adams WR Fresno State
3 85 Khyri Thornton DT Southern Mississippi
3 98 Richard Rodgers TE California
4 121 Carl Bradford OLB Arizona State
5 161 Corey Linsley C Ohio State
5 176 Jared Abbrederis WR Wisconsin
6 197 Demetri Goodson DB Baylor
7 236 Jeff Janis WR Saginaw Valley State
2013 - GREEN BAY PACKERS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 26 Datone Jones DE UCLA
2 61 Eddie Lacy RB Alabama
4 109 David Bakhtiari OT Colorado
4 122 JC Tretter T Cornell
4 125 Johnathan Franklin RB UCLA
5 159 Micah Hyde CB Iowa
5 167 Josh Boyd DE Mississippi State
6 193 Nate Palmer OLB Illinois State
7 216 Charles Johnson WR Grand Valley State
7 224 Kevin Dorsey WR Maryland
7 232 Sam Barrington LB South Florida

Who else is perennially good? How about the Steelers?

2018 - PITTSBURGH STEELERS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 28 Terrell Edmunds SAF Virginia Tech
2 60 James Washington WR Oklahoma State
3 76 Mason Rudolph QB Oklahoma State
3 92 Chukwuma Okorafor T Western Michigan
5 148 Marcus Allen DB Penn State
5 165 Jaylen Samuels FB North Carolina State
7 246 Josh Frazier DT Alabama
2017 - PITTSBURGH STEELERS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 30 T.J. Watt LB Wisconsin
2 62 JuJu Smith-Schuster WR USC
3 94 Cameron Sutton CB Tennessee
3 105 James Conner RB Pittsburgh
4 135 Joshua Dobbs QB Tennessee
5 173 Brian Allen CB Utah
6 213 Colin Holba LS Louisville
7 248 Keion Adams LB Western Michigan
2016 - PITTSBURGH STEELERS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 25 Artie Burns CB Miami (Fla.)
2 58 Sean Davis SAF Maryland
3 89 Javon Hargrave DT South Carolina State
4 123 Jerald Hawkins T LSU
6 220 Travis Feeney OLB Washington
7 229 DeMarcus Ayers WR Houston
7 246 Tyler Matakevich LB Temple
2015 - PITTSBURGH STEELERS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 22 Bud Dupree LB Kentucky
2 56 Senquez Golson CB Mississippi
3 87 Sammie Coates WR Auburn
4 121 Doran Grant CB Ohio State
5 160 Jesse James TE Penn State
6 199 L.T. Walton DT Central Michigan
6 212 Anthony Chickillo DE Miami (Fla.)
7 239 Gerod Holliman FS Louisville
2014 - PITTSBURGH STEELERS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 15 Ryan Shazier OLB Ohio State
2 46 Stephon Tuitt DT Notre Dame
3 97 Dri Archer RB Kent State
4 118 Martavis Bryant WR Clemson
5 157 Shaquille Richardson DB Arizona
5 173 Wesley Johnson C Vanderbilt
6 192 Jordan Zumwalt LB UCLA
6 215 Dan McCullers DT Tennessee
7 230 Rob Blanchflower TE Massachusetts
2013 - PITTSBURGH STEELERS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 17 Jarvis Jones OLB Georgia
2 48 Le'Veon Bell RB Michigan State
3 79 Markus Wheaton WR Oregon State
4 111 Shamarko Thomas SS Syracuse
4 115 Landry Jones QB Oklahoma
5 150 Terry Hawthorne CB Illinois
6 186 Justin Brown WR Oklahoma
6 206 Vince Williams ILB Florida State
7 223 Nick Williams DT Samford

Everyone is in the same boat. Six years running, a few stars. Maybe a third of the guys stick somewhere in the league. That's it. It's a total crapshoot. Keim has done alright in the draft. Only thing is lack of production from first rounders relative to middle rounders, but everyone is constantly whiffing.

 

[football karma]

Everyone is in the same boat. Six years running, a few stars. Maybe a third of the guys stick somewhere in the league.

AZ: for each of the teams you noted -- you can go year by year in and find that each found a starting caliber player in nearly every one of those drafts -- and the "0-fers" are the exception rather than the rule

further -- each of those teams have kept 90% of the winners

 

[Finito]

You must think this draft thing is easy. Who do you think is better at it? The Patriots?

2018 1 Sony Michel 31 RB 2018 0 0 0 0 12 195 881 6 7 50 0 Georgia
2018 2 Duke Dawson 56 CB 0 0 0 Florida
2018 5 Ja'Whaun Bentley 143 ILB 2018 0 0 0 0 3 1 Purdue
2018 6 Christian Sam 178 ILB 0 0 0 Arizona St.
2018 6 Braxton Berrios 210 WR 0 0 0 Miami (FL)
2018 7 Danny Etling 219 QB 0 0 0 LSU
2018 7 Keion Crossen 243 CB 2018 0 0 0 0 10 West. Carolina
2018 7 Ryan Izzo 250 TE 0 0 0 Florida St.

2017 3 Derek Rivers 83 DE 2018 0 0 0 0 5 Youngstown St.
2017 3 Antonio Garcia 85 T 0 0 0 Troy
2017 4 Deatrich Wise 131 DE 2018 0 0 0 3 31 9.5 Arkansas
2017 6 Conor McDermott 211 T 2018 0 0 0 0 7 UCLA

2016 2 Cyrus Jones 60 CB 2018 0 0 0 1 22 Alabama
2016 3 Joe Thuney 78 G 2018 0 0 3 18 47 North Carolina St.
2016 3 Jacoby Brissett 91 QB 2018 0 0 1 13 23 312 528 3500 13 7 86 336 5 North Carolina St.
2016 3 Vincent Valentine 96 DT 2018 0 0 0 3 15 1.0 Nebraska
2016 4 Malcolm Mitchell 112 WR 2016 0 0 0 4 14 32 401 4 Georgia
2016 6 Kamu Grugier-Hill 208 OLB 2018 0 0 1 2 43 1 1.0 East. Illinois
2016 6 Elandon Roberts 214 ILB 2018 0 0 2 12 43 3.0 Houston
2016 6 Ted Karras 221 G 2018 0 0 0 5 44 Illinois
2016 7 Devin Lucien 225 WR 0 0 0 Arizona St.

2015 1 Malcom Brown 32 DT 2018 0 0 4 21 59 8.5 Texas
2015 2 Jordan Richards 64 S 2018 0 0 1 6 55 Stanford
2015 3 Geneo Grissom 97 DE 2018 0 0 0 3 38 1.0 Oklahoma
2015 4 Trey Flowers 101 DE 2018 0 0 2 16 45 20.0 Arkansas
2015 4 Tre' Jackson 111 G 2015 0 0 1 6 13 Florida St.
2015 4 Shaq Mason 131 C 2018 0 0 4 23 59 Georgia Tech
2015 5 Joe Cardona 166 LS 2018 0 0 0 3 63 Navy
2015 6 Matthew Wells 178 LB 0 0 0 Mississippi St.
2015 6 A.J. Derby 202 TE 2018 0 0 0 3 25 40 452 3 Arkansas
2015 7 Darryl Roberts 247 CB 2018 0 0 0 3 42 2 Marshall
2015 7 Xzavier Dickson 253 OLB 0 0 0 Alabama

2014 1 Dominique Easley 29 DT 2018 0 0 0 6 41 1 6.5 Florida
2014 2 Jimmy Garoppolo 62 QB 2018 0 0 0 8 26 236 361 2968 17 8 48 54 1 2 -3 0 East. Illinois
2014 4 Bryan Stork 105 C 2015 0 0 1 11 21 Florida St.
2014 4 James White 130 RB 2018 0 0 0 18 62 203 826 7 244 2125 18 Wisconsin
2014 4 Cameron Fleming 140 T 2018 0 0 0 14 60 Stanford
2014 6 Jon Halapio 179 OL 2018 0 0 0 2 12 Florida
2014 6 Zach Moore 198 DE 2018 0 0 0 1 25 3.5 Concordia-St.Paul (MN)
2014 6 Jemea Thomas 206 DB 2014 0 0 0 0 2 Georgia Tech
2014 7 Jeremy Gallon

2013 2 Jamie Collins
2013 2 Aaron Dobson
2013 3 Logan Ryan
2013 3 Duron Harmon
2013 4 Josh Boyce
2013 7 Michael Buchanan
2013 7 Steve Beauharnais

The Seahawks?

2018
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 27 Rashaad Penny RB San Diego State
3 79 Rasheem Green DE USC
4 120 Will Dissly TE Washington
5 141 Shaquem Griffin LB Central Florida
5 146 Tre Flowers SAF Oklahoma State
5 149 Michael Dickson P Texas
5 168 Jamarco Jones T Ohio State
6 186 Jake Martin LB Temple
7 220 Alex McGough QB Florida International
2017 - SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
2 35 Malik McDowell DT Michigan State
2 58 Ethan Pocic C LSU
3 102 Nazair Jones DT North Carolina
3 90 Shaquill Griffin CB Central Florida
3 95 Delano Hill SAF Michigan
3 106 Amara Darboh WR Michigan
4 111 Tedric Thompson SAF Colorado
6 187 Mike Tyson SAF Cincinnati
6 210 Justin Senior T Mississippi State
7 226 David Moore WR East Central (OK)
7 249 Chris Carson RB Oklahoma State
2016 - SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 31 Germain Ifedi G Texas A&M
2 49 Jarran Reed DT Alabama
3 90 C.J. Prosise RB Notre Dame
3 94 Nick Vannett TE Ohio State
3 97 Rees Odhiambo G Boise State
5 147 Quinton Jefferson DT Maryland
5 171 Alex Collins RB Arkansas
6 215 Joey Hunt C Texas Christian
7 243 Kenny Lawler WR California
7 247 Zac Brooks RB Clemson
2015 - SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
2 63 Frank Clark DE Michigan
3 69 Tyler Lockett WR Kansas State
4 130 Terry Poole T San Diego State
4 134 Mark Glowinski G West Virginia
5 170 Tye Smith CB Towson
6 209 Obum Gwacham DE Oregon State
6 214 Kristjan Sokoli DT Buffalo
7 248 Ryan Murphy DB Oregon State
2014 - SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
2 45 Paul Richardson WR Colorado
2 64 Justin Britt T Missouri
4 108 Cassius Marsh DE UCLA
4 123 Kevin Norwood WR Alabama
4 132 Kevin Pierre-Louis OLB Boston College
5 172 Jimmy Staten DT Middle Tennessee State
6 199 Garrett Scott T Marshall
6 208 Eric Pinkins DB San Diego State
7 227 Kiero Small FB Arkansas
2013 - SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
2 62 Christine Michael RB Texas A&M
3 87 Jordan Hill DT Penn State
4 123 Chris Harper WR Kansas State
5 137 Jesse Williams DT Alabama
5 138 Tharold Simon CB LSU
5 158 Luke Willson TE Rice
6 194 Spencer Ware RB LSU
7 220 Ryan Seymour OG Vanderbilt
7 231 Ty Powell LB Harding
7 241 Jared Smith DT New Hampshire
7 242 Michael Bowie OT Northeastern State (Okla.)

Maybe the Packers?

2018 - GREEN BAY PACKERS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 18 Jaire Alexander CB Louisville
2 45 Josh Jackson CB Iowa
3 88 Oren Burks LB Vanderbilt
4 133 J'Mon Moore WR Missouri
5 138 Cole Madison G Washington State
5 172 J.K. Scott P Alabama
5 174 Marquez Valdes-Scantling WR South Florida
6 207 Equanimeous St. Brown WR Notre Dame
7 232 James Looney DE California
7 239 Hunter Bradley LS Mississippi State
7 248 Kendall Donnerson LB Southeast Missouri State
2017 - GREEN BAY PACKERS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
2 33 Kevin King CB Washington
2 61 Josh Jones SAF North Carolina State
3 93 Montravius Adams DT Auburn
4 108 Vince Biegel LB Wisconsin
4 134 Jamaal Williams RB Brigham Young
5 175 DeAngelo Yancey WR Purdue
5 182 Aaron Jones RB Texas-El Paso
6 212 Kofi Amichia C South Florida
7 247 Malachi Dupre WR LSU
7 238 Devante Mays RB Utah State
2016 - GREEN BAY PACKERS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 27 Kenny Clark NT UCLA
2 48 Jason Spriggs T Indiana
3 88 Kyler Fackrell LB Utah State
4 131 Blake Martinez LB Stanford
4 137 Dean Lowry DE Northwestern
5 163 Trevor Davis WR California
6 200 Kyle Murphy T Stanford
2015 - GREEN BAY PACKERS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 30 Damarious Randall DB Arizona State
2 62 Quinten Rollins CB Miami (Ohio)
3 94 Ty Montgomery WR Stanford
4 129 Jake Ryan LB Michigan
5 147 Brett Hundley QB UCLA
6 206 Aaron Ripkowski FB Oklahoma
6 210 Christian Ringo DE Louisiana-Lafayette
6 213 Kennard Backman TE Alabama-Birmingham
2014 - GREEN BAY PACKERS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 21 Ha Ha Clinton-Dix FS Alabama
2 53 Davante Adams WR Fresno State
3 85 Khyri Thornton DT Southern Mississippi
3 98 Richard Rodgers TE California
4 121 Carl Bradford OLB Arizona State
5 161 Corey Linsley C Ohio State
5 176 Jared Abbrederis WR Wisconsin
6 197 Demetri Goodson DB Baylor
7 236 Jeff Janis WR Saginaw Valley State
2013 - GREEN BAY PACKERS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 26 Datone Jones DE UCLA
2 61 Eddie Lacy RB Alabama
4 109 David Bakhtiari OT Colorado
4 122 JC Tretter T Cornell
4 125 Johnathan Franklin RB UCLA
5 159 Micah Hyde CB Iowa
5 167 Josh Boyd DE Mississippi State
6 193 Nate Palmer OLB Illinois State
7 216 Charles Johnson WR Grand Valley State
7 224 Kevin Dorsey WR Maryland
7 232 Sam Barrington LB South Florida

Who else is perennially good? How about the Steelers?

2018 - PITTSBURGH STEELERS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 28 Terrell Edmunds SAF Virginia Tech
2 60 James Washington WR Oklahoma State
3 76 Mason Rudolph QB Oklahoma State
3 92 Chukwuma Okorafor T Western Michigan
5 148 Marcus Allen DB Penn State
5 165 Jaylen Samuels FB North Carolina State
7 246 Josh Frazier DT Alabama
2017 - PITTSBURGH STEELERS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 30 T.J. Watt LB Wisconsin
2 62 JuJu Smith-Schuster WR USC
3 94 Cameron Sutton CB Tennessee
3 105 James Conner RB Pittsburgh
4 135 Joshua Dobbs QB Tennessee
5 173 Brian Allen CB Utah
6 213 Colin Holba LS Louisville
7 248 Keion Adams LB Western Michigan
2016 - PITTSBURGH STEELERS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 25 Artie Burns CB Miami (Fla.)
2 58 Sean Davis SAF Maryland
3 89 Javon Hargrave DT South Carolina State
4 123 Jerald Hawkins T LSU
6 220 Travis Feeney OLB Washington
7 229 DeMarcus Ayers WR Houston
7 246 Tyler Matakevich LB Temple
2015 - PITTSBURGH STEELERS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 22 Bud Dupree LB Kentucky
2 56 Senquez Golson CB Mississippi
3 87 Sammie Coates WR Auburn
4 121 Doran Grant CB Ohio State
5 160 Jesse James TE Penn State
6 199 L.T. Walton DT Central Michigan
6 212 Anthony Chickillo DE Miami (Fla.)
7 239 Gerod Holliman FS Louisville
2014 - PITTSBURGH STEELERS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 15 Ryan Shazier OLB Ohio State
2 46 Stephon Tuitt DT Notre Dame
3 97 Dri Archer RB Kent State
4 118 Martavis Bryant WR Clemson
5 157 Shaquille Richardson DB Arizona
5 173 Wesley Johnson C Vanderbilt
6 192 Jordan Zumwalt LB UCLA
6 215 Dan McCullers DT Tennessee
7 230 Rob Blanchflower TE Massachusetts
2013 - PITTSBURGH STEELERS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 17 Jarvis Jones OLB Georgia
2 48 Le'Veon Bell RB Michigan State
3 79 Markus Wheaton WR Oregon State
4 111 Shamarko Thomas SS Syracuse
4 115 Landry Jones QB Oklahoma
5 150 Terry Hawthorne CB Illinois
6 186 Justin Brown WR Oklahoma
6 206 Vince Williams ILB Florida State
7 223 Nick Williams DT Samford

Everyone is in the same boat. Six years running, a few stars. Maybe a third of the guys stick somewhere in the league. That's it. It's a total crapshoot. Keim has done alright in the draft. Only thing is lack of production from first rounders relative to middle rounders, but everyone is constantly whiffing.

You can say it till your blue in the face, guys here have no clue when it comes to the draft. They live in a fantasy world where you draft all pros every year in every round.

You just pointed out 3 teams with reputations for having great front offices and guess what there drafts suck probably worst than ours.

It's a total crap shoot. But let's not look at this with logic and reason lets just pander for likes

 

[WisconsinCard]

Let's look at it from this perspective

These players are still in the league.

Earl Watford
Alex Okafor
Tyrann Mathieu
Kevin Minter
Jonathan Cooper
Logan Thomas
John Brown
Kareem Martin
Deone Bucannon
JJ Nelson
Rodney Gunter
David Johnson
Markus Golden
DJ Humphries
Cole Toner
Marqui Christian
Evan Boehm
Brandon Williams
Robert Nkemdiche
Rudy Ford
TJ Logan
Will Holden
Chad Williams
Budda Baker
Hasson Reddick
Korey Cunningham
Chase Edmonds
Mason Cole
Christian Kirk
Josh Rosen

Not terrible. Also consider that we signed Tony Jefferson as an UDFA.

Maybe they aren't home runs, but Keim has drafted NFL level players. Maybe he needs to get better at keeping them around.

Excellent post and exactly how I look at it.

 

[JosiahLee]

You must think this draft thing is easy. Who do you think is better at it? The Patriots?

2018 1 Sony Michel 31 RB 2018 0 0 0 0 12 195 881 6 7 50 0 Georgia
2018 2 Duke Dawson 56 CB 0 0 0 Florida
2018 5 Ja'Whaun Bentley 143 ILB 2018 0 0 0 0 3 1 Purdue
2018 6 Christian Sam 178 ILB 0 0 0 Arizona St.
2018 6 Braxton Berrios 210 WR 0 0 0 Miami (FL)
2018 7 Danny Etling 219 QB 0 0 0 LSU
2018 7 Keion Crossen 243 CB 2018 0 0 0 0 10 West. Carolina
2018 7 Ryan Izzo 250 TE 0 0 0 Florida St.

2017 3 Derek Rivers 83 DE 2018 0 0 0 0 5 Youngstown St.
2017 3 Antonio Garcia 85 T 0 0 0 Troy
2017 4 Deatrich Wise 131 DE 2018 0 0 0 3 31 9.5 Arkansas
2017 6 Conor McDermott 211 T 2018 0 0 0 0 7 UCLA

2016 2 Cyrus Jones 60 CB 2018 0 0 0 1 22 Alabama
2016 3 Joe Thuney 78 G 2018 0 0 3 18 47 North Carolina St.
2016 3 Jacoby Brissett 91 QB 2018 0 0 1 13 23 312 528 3500 13 7 86 336 5 North Carolina St.
2016 3 Vincent Valentine 96 DT 2018 0 0 0 3 15 1.0 Nebraska
2016 4 Malcolm Mitchell 112 WR 2016 0 0 0 4 14 32 401 4 Georgia
2016 6 Kamu Grugier-Hill 208 OLB 2018 0 0 1 2 43 1 1.0 East. Illinois
2016 6 Elandon Roberts 214 ILB 2018 0 0 2 12 43 3.0 Houston
2016 6 Ted Karras 221 G 2018 0 0 0 5 44 Illinois
2016 7 Devin Lucien 225 WR 0 0 0 Arizona St.

2015 1 Malcom Brown 32 DT 2018 0 0 4 21 59 8.5 Texas
2015 2 Jordan Richards 64 S 2018 0 0 1 6 55 Stanford
2015 3 Geneo Grissom 97 DE 2018 0 0 0 3 38 1.0 Oklahoma
2015 4 Trey Flowers 101 DE 2018 0 0 2 16 45 20.0 Arkansas
2015 4 Tre' Jackson 111 G 2015 0 0 1 6 13 Florida St.
2015 4 Shaq Mason 131 C 2018 0 0 4 23 59 Georgia Tech
2015 5 Joe Cardona 166 LS 2018 0 0 0 3 63 Navy
2015 6 Matthew Wells 178 LB 0 0 0 Mississippi St.
2015 6 A.J. Derby 202 TE 2018 0 0 0 3 25 40 452 3 Arkansas
2015 7 Darryl Roberts 247 CB 2018 0 0 0 3 42 2 Marshall
2015 7 Xzavier Dickson 253 OLB 0 0 0 Alabama

2014 1 Dominique Easley 29 DT 2018 0 0 0 6 41 1 6.5 Florida
2014 2 Jimmy Garoppolo 62 QB 2018 0 0 0 8 26 236 361 2968 17 8 48 54 1 2 -3 0 East. Illinois
2014 4 Bryan Stork 105 C 2015 0 0 1 11 21 Florida St.
2014 4 James White 130 RB 2018 0 0 0 18 62 203 826 7 244 2125 18 Wisconsin
2014 4 Cameron Fleming 140 T 2018 0 0 0 14 60 Stanford
2014 6 Jon Halapio 179 OL 2018 0 0 0 2 12 Florida
2014 6 Zach Moore 198 DE 2018 0 0 0 1 25 3.5 Concordia-St.Paul (MN)
2014 6 Jemea Thomas 206 DB 2014 0 0 0 0 2 Georgia Tech
2014 7 Jeremy Gallon

2013 2 Jamie Collins
2013 2 Aaron Dobson
2013 3 Logan Ryan
2013 3 Duron Harmon
2013 4 Josh Boyce
2013 7 Michael Buchanan
2013 7 Steve Beauharnais

The Seahawks?

2018
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 27 Rashaad Penny RB San Diego State
3 79 Rasheem Green DE USC
4 120 Will Dissly TE Washington
5 141 Shaquem Griffin LB Central Florida
5 146 Tre Flowers SAF Oklahoma State
5 149 Michael Dickson P Texas
5 168 Jamarco Jones T Ohio State
6 186 Jake Martin LB Temple
7 220 Alex McGough QB Florida International
2017 - SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
2 35 Malik McDowell DT Michigan State
2 58 Ethan Pocic C LSU
3 102 Nazair Jones DT North Carolina
3 90 Shaquill Griffin CB Central Florida
3 95 Delano Hill SAF Michigan
3 106 Amara Darboh WR Michigan
4 111 Tedric Thompson SAF Colorado
6 187 Mike Tyson SAF Cincinnati
6 210 Justin Senior T Mississippi State
7 226 David Moore WR East Central (OK)
7 249 Chris Carson RB Oklahoma State
2016 - SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 31 Germain Ifedi G Texas A&M
2 49 Jarran Reed DT Alabama
3 90 C.J. Prosise RB Notre Dame
3 94 Nick Vannett TE Ohio State
3 97 Rees Odhiambo G Boise State
5 147 Quinton Jefferson DT Maryland
5 171 Alex Collins RB Arkansas
6 215 Joey Hunt C Texas Christian
7 243 Kenny Lawler WR California
7 247 Zac Brooks RB Clemson
2015 - SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
2 63 Frank Clark DE Michigan
3 69 Tyler Lockett WR Kansas State
4 130 Terry Poole T San Diego State
4 134 Mark Glowinski G West Virginia
5 170 Tye Smith CB Towson
6 209 Obum Gwacham DE Oregon State
6 214 Kristjan Sokoli DT Buffalo
7 248 Ryan Murphy DB Oregon State
2014 - SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
2 45 Paul Richardson WR Colorado
2 64 Justin Britt T Missouri
4 108 Cassius Marsh DE UCLA
4 123 Kevin Norwood WR Alabama
4 132 Kevin Pierre-Louis OLB Boston College
5 172 Jimmy Staten DT Middle Tennessee State
6 199 Garrett Scott T Marshall
6 208 Eric Pinkins DB San Diego State
7 227 Kiero Small FB Arkansas
2013 - SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
2 62 Christine Michael RB Texas A&M
3 87 Jordan Hill DT Penn State
4 123 Chris Harper WR Kansas State
5 137 Jesse Williams DT Alabama
5 138 Tharold Simon CB LSU
5 158 Luke Willson TE Rice
6 194 Spencer Ware RB LSU
7 220 Ryan Seymour OG Vanderbilt
7 231 Ty Powell LB Harding
7 241 Jared Smith DT New Hampshire
7 242 Michael Bowie OT Northeastern State (Okla.)

Maybe the Packers?

2018 - GREEN BAY PACKERS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 18 Jaire Alexander CB Louisville
2 45 Josh Jackson CB Iowa
3 88 Oren Burks LB Vanderbilt
4 133 J'Mon Moore WR Missouri
5 138 Cole Madison G Washington State
5 172 J.K. Scott P Alabama
5 174 Marquez Valdes-Scantling WR South Florida
6 207 Equanimeous St. Brown WR Notre Dame
7 232 James Looney DE California
7 239 Hunter Bradley LS Mississippi State
7 248 Kendall Donnerson LB Southeast Missouri State
2017 - GREEN BAY PACKERS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
2 33 Kevin King CB Washington
2 61 Josh Jones SAF North Carolina State
3 93 Montravius Adams DT Auburn
4 108 Vince Biegel LB Wisconsin
4 134 Jamaal Williams RB Brigham Young
5 175 DeAngelo Yancey WR Purdue
5 182 Aaron Jones RB Texas-El Paso
6 212 Kofi Amichia C South Florida
7 247 Malachi Dupre WR LSU
7 238 Devante Mays RB Utah State
2016 - GREEN BAY PACKERS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 27 Kenny Clark NT UCLA
2 48 Jason Spriggs T Indiana
3 88 Kyler Fackrell LB Utah State
4 131 Blake Martinez LB Stanford
4 137 Dean Lowry DE Northwestern
5 163 Trevor Davis WR California
6 200 Kyle Murphy T Stanford
2015 - GREEN BAY PACKERS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 30 Damarious Randall DB Arizona State
2 62 Quinten Rollins CB Miami (Ohio)
3 94 Ty Montgomery WR Stanford
4 129 Jake Ryan LB Michigan
5 147 Brett Hundley QB UCLA
6 206 Aaron Ripkowski FB Oklahoma
6 210 Christian Ringo DE Louisiana-Lafayette
6 213 Kennard Backman TE Alabama-Birmingham
2014 - GREEN BAY PACKERS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 21 Ha Ha Clinton-Dix FS Alabama
2 53 Davante Adams WR Fresno State
3 85 Khyri Thornton DT Southern Mississippi
3 98 Richard Rodgers TE California
4 121 Carl Bradford OLB Arizona State
5 161 Corey Linsley C Ohio State
5 176 Jared Abbrederis WR Wisconsin
6 197 Demetri Goodson DB Baylor
7 236 Jeff Janis WR Saginaw Valley State
2013 - GREEN BAY PACKERS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 26 Datone Jones DE UCLA
2 61 Eddie Lacy RB Alabama
4 109 David Bakhtiari OT Colorado
4 122 JC Tretter T Cornell
4 125 Johnathan Franklin RB UCLA
5 159 Micah Hyde CB Iowa
5 167 Josh Boyd DE Mississippi State
6 193 Nate Palmer OLB Illinois State
7 216 Charles Johnson WR Grand Valley State
7 224 Kevin Dorsey WR Maryland
7 232 Sam Barrington LB South Florida

Who else is perennially good? How about the Steelers?

2018 - PITTSBURGH STEELERS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 28 Terrell Edmunds SAF Virginia Tech
2 60 James Washington WR Oklahoma State
3 76 Mason Rudolph QB Oklahoma State
3 92 Chukwuma Okorafor T Western Michigan
5 148 Marcus Allen DB Penn State
5 165 Jaylen Samuels FB North Carolina State
7 246 Josh Frazier DT Alabama
2017 - PITTSBURGH STEELERS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 30 T.J. Watt LB Wisconsin
2 62 JuJu Smith-Schuster WR USC
3 94 Cameron Sutton CB Tennessee
3 105 James Conner RB Pittsburgh
4 135 Joshua Dobbs QB Tennessee
5 173 Brian Allen CB Utah
6 213 Colin Holba LS Louisville
7 248 Keion Adams LB Western Michigan
2016 - PITTSBURGH STEELERS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 25 Artie Burns CB Miami (Fla.)
2 58 Sean Davis SAF Maryland
3 89 Javon Hargrave DT South Carolina State
4 123 Jerald Hawkins T LSU
6 220 Travis Feeney OLB Washington
7 229 DeMarcus Ayers WR Houston
7 246 Tyler Matakevich LB Temple
2015 - PITTSBURGH STEELERS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 22 Bud Dupree LB Kentucky
2 56 Senquez Golson CB Mississippi
3 87 Sammie Coates WR Auburn
4 121 Doran Grant CB Ohio State
5 160 Jesse James TE Penn State
6 199 L.T. Walton DT Central Michigan
6 212 Anthony Chickillo DE Miami (Fla.)
7 239 Gerod Holliman FS Louisville
2014 - PITTSBURGH STEELERS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 15 Ryan Shazier OLB Ohio State
2 46 Stephon Tuitt DT Notre Dame
3 97 Dri Archer RB Kent State
4 118 Martavis Bryant WR Clemson
5 157 Shaquille Richardson DB Arizona
5 173 Wesley Johnson C Vanderbilt
6 192 Jordan Zumwalt LB UCLA
6 215 Dan McCullers DT Tennessee
7 230 Rob Blanchflower TE Massachusetts
2013 - PITTSBURGH STEELERS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 17 Jarvis Jones OLB Georgia
2 48 Le'Veon Bell RB Michigan State
3 79 Markus Wheaton WR Oregon State
4 111 Shamarko Thomas SS Syracuse
4 115 Landry Jones QB Oklahoma
5 150 Terry Hawthorne CB Illinois
6 186 Justin Brown WR Oklahoma
6 206 Vince Williams ILB Florida State
7 223 Nick Williams DT Samford

Everyone is in the same boat. Six years running, a few stars. Maybe a third of the guys stick somewhere in the league. That's it. It's a total crapshoot. Keim has done alright in the draft. Only thing is lack of production from first rounders relative to middle rounders, but everyone is constantly whiffing.

I literally just looked up the first respectable team off the top of my head, the Kansas City Chiefs. Nice try, but here are their draft picks since 2013, the year Keim took over. Among the list of stud players includes Patrick Mahomes, Kareem Hunt, Tyreek Hill, Marcus Peters, Travis Kelce, Eric Fisher...

2 Breeland Speaks
2018 3 Derrick Nnadi
2018 3 Dorian O'Daniel
2018 4 Armani Watts
2018 6 Tremon Smith
2018 6 Kahlil McKenzie
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2017 1 Patrick Mahomes
2017 2 Tanoh Kpassagnon
2017 3 Kareem Hunt
2017 4 Jehu Chesson
2017 5 Ukeme Eligwe
2017 6 Leon McQuay
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2016 2 Chris Jones
2016 3 KeiVarae Russell
2016 4 Parker Ehinger
2016 4 Eric Murray
2016 4 Demarcus Robinson
2016 5 Kevin Hogan
2016 5 Tyreek Hill
2016 6 D.J. White
2016 6 Dadi Nicolas
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2015 1 Marcus Peters
2015 2 Mitch Morse
2015 3 Chris Conley
2015 3 Steven Nelson
2015 4 Ramik Wilson
2015 5 D.J. Alexander
2015 5 James O'Shaughnessy
2015 6 Rakeem Nunez-Roches
2015 7 Da'Ron Brown
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2014 1 Dee Ford
2014 3 Phillip Gaines
2014 4 De'Anthony Thomas
2014 5 Aaron Murray
2014 6 Zach Fulton
2014 6 Laurent Duvernay-Tardif
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2013 1 Eric Fisher
2013 3 Travis Kelce
2013 3 Knile Davis
2013 4 Nico Johnson
2013 5 Sanders Commings
2013 6 Eric Kush
2013 6 Braden Wilson
2013 7 Mike Catapano

 

[b8rtm8nn]

I think the very valid concern with Keim is that he does poorly with 1-2 round picks, basically overdrafts or doesnt weigh correctly for injury concerns. Rounds 3 down, he is above average. If he took the Seahawks route and traded out if the first and went for quantity, that may be a better approach for him.

 

[DVontel]

I think the very valid concern with Keim is that he does poorly with 1-2 round picks, basically overdrafts or doesnt weigh correctly for injury concerns. Rounds 3 down, he is above average. If he took the Seahawks route and traded out if the first and went for quantity, that may be a better approach for him.

Yea, I’m really interested what his board looks like.

I remember Markus Golden was a projected late 3rd, 4th rounder damn near every where & yet he drafted him in the 2nd. It’s not a bad pick in hindsight, but still.

 

[Stout]

I think the very valid concern with Keim is that he does poorly with 1-2 round picks, basically overdrafts or doesnt weigh correctly for injury concerns. Rounds 3 down, he is above average. If he took the Seahawks route and traded out if the first and went for quantity, that may be a better approach for him.

Winner winner, chicken dinner.

 

[Willie D]

What a trainwreck.

To be fair to Steve, he's much better at a different kind of "Draft."

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[football karma]

The Monday night game just showed a graphic where the Raiders have 12 players on their roster from the 2012-2017 drafts. This was the 3rd lowest figure in the league.

my quick calc shows the Cards have 14 on their roster during this period -- so likely bottom 1/3 of the league. Maybe is should be 15 given the trade for Chandler Jones.

Still -- it seems like another metric that says the Cards either havent drafted well or let guys who can play leave for nothing

 

[Sunburst]

Keim goes along with Wilks as soon as the season is over.

Leave both of their asses off the plane in Seattle.

 

[Cheesebeef]

AZ: for each of the teams you noted -- you can go year by year in and find that each found a starting caliber player in nearly every one of those drafts -- and the "0-fers" are the exception rather than the rule

further -- each of those teams have kept 90% of the winners

further, each of those teams snagged at least 8 starters from 2013-2018 that are STILL starting to this day... on good teams.

We have 7 starters... three of them rookies this year, 2 of whom (Rosen/Cole) who have been forced into duty because of the suckage in front of them at the beginning of the year and neither of which has proven they belong in the league as starters. Hopefully moving forward they do, especially Rosen, but to call them good picks at this point is premature.

basically, what those long lists of other teams' drafts show is each one has gotten at least a LONG-TERM starter or two per draft, on consistently good teams, which means they're an additive value.

And the one team who seems pretty bare is the Packers, a team that everyone has said has drafted poorly the last couple years and you see it with the product on the field as they've been an average to barely above average at best team the last three years.

 

[sdscard4]

I'm thinking Rod Graves did better....Heck even Bob Ferguson. Nevermind I can't believe I said Ferguson

 

[Finito]

I literally just looked up the first respectable team off the top of my head, the Kansas City Chiefs. Nice try, but here are their draft picks since 2013, the year Keim took over. Among the list of stud players includes Patrick Mahomes, Kareem Hunt, Tyreek Hill, Marcus Peters, Travis Kelce, Eric Fisher...

2 Breeland Speaks
2018 3 Derrick Nnadi
2018 3 Dorian O'Daniel
2018 4 Armani Watts
2018 6 Tremon Smith
2018 6 Kahlil McKenzie
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2017 1 Patrick Mahomes
2017 2 Tanoh Kpassagnon
2017 3 Kareem Hunt
2017 4 Jehu Chesson
2017 5 Ukeme Eligwe
2017 6 Leon McQuay
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2016 2 Chris Jones
2016 3 KeiVarae Russell
2016 4 Parker Ehinger
2016 4 Eric Murray
2016 4 Demarcus Robinson
2016 5 Kevin Hogan
2016 5 Tyreek Hill
2016 6 D.J. White
2016 6 Dadi Nicolas
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2015 1 Marcus Peters
2015 2 Mitch Morse
2015 3 Chris Conley
2015 3 Steven Nelson
2015 4 Ramik Wilson
2015 5 D.J. Alexander
2015 5 James O'Shaughnessy
2015 6 Rakeem Nunez-Roches
2015 7 Da'Ron Brown
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2014 1 Dee Ford
2014 3 Phillip Gaines
2014 4 De'Anthony Thomas
2014 5 Aaron Murray
2014 6 Zach Fulton
2014 6 Laurent Duvernay-Tardif
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2013 1 Eric Fisher
2013 3 Travis Kelce
2013 3 Knile Davis
2013 4 Nico Johnson
2013 5 Sanders Commings
2013 6 Eric Kush
2013 6 Braden Wilson
2013 7 Mike Catapano

Marcus Peters was a bust for them and isn't on the team anymore and Eric Fischer is nowhere near as good as justifying being the #1 pick in the draft.

Mahomes and Kelce look like studs