Your Arizona Cardinals now hold the 16th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft

[ajcardfan]

For the people who don’t follow the draft year around. When I say EDGE or DL at 16, it’s not because those are team needs, it’s because that is where the need and player talent align.

Exactly. It would almost be malpractice if MO didn't hit one of those two positions at that spot. I can't see us busting the bank for an EDGE or DT in free agency when those positions are the best two, IMO, in this draft. We can definitely get a very good player for either position at that spot.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

It's way too early to assess the 2024 draft. Did you watch Isaiah Adams and Christian Jones at guard and tackle yesterday? Both were solid and could be the future right side of our O-line. Reiman is a very good blocking TE and Trey Benson showed some potential at RB. Throw in MHJ and you have the makings of a very good draft, and we're just talking about the offensive side.

There's two more starters on defense in Max Melton and D-Robb, while DTD also shows the potential to be future starter. Again, it's way too early to judge the 2024 draft, but my money says it's going to turn out to be one hell of a good draft.

As for the 2023 draft, we netted 3 starters in PJJ, Garrett Williams and Michael Wilson, and I've always believed that if you can get 3 starters from a draft, then it's a good draft.

I really don't know how anyone can be critical of Monti's first two drafts at this point.

Now free agency, that's another story.

I can be critical because they aren't good drafts. When you draft 2x in the top 5 and have 20 picks on a team without talent and end up with little impact to show for it, it is not a good outcome. Yes I watched Adams be terrible for most of the season and Jones be poor prior to yesterday. Adams was still crap yesterday. PFF grade for the season is 58.4 or the 80th of 135 guards. Jones, he is worse at 53.8 or 104th out of 141 tackles.

Reiman is a clown pick in the third. An absolute clown pick. It's like drafting a punter in the third. A waste of premium resources when you have tons of needs. 36 yards receiving for the year. If Petzing leaves, is the next offensive coordinator going to trot out 3 TE sets 30% of the time?

Benson is terrible because who was available around that pick and it's worse now that we resigned Conner. Benson has brought nothing to do the team that we didn't already have in Carter and Demercado. You know what a good RB pick is in this draft? Tyrone Tracy Jr.

Melton has allowed a passer rating of 99.6 this year, which is 68th of all CBs and he has allowed 12.8 yards per target, which is 81st. He was at least a full round reach and is not good.

Robinson has been atrocious since coming back from injury. He also was a reach where he was drafted. He is a project that may work out but has been out performed by numerous defenders taken after him. That's called a bad pick.

You can't seriously think Michael Wilson is even an average starting WR right now. Wilson's year 2 543 yards would be WR 9 out of the rookies of this year. These are the guys that we could have taken from round 2 on last year as pass catchers:

Puka Nacua, Rashee Rice, Sam Laporta, Jayden Reed, Tank Dell, Josh Downs. You can put Wilson on the same tier as 6th rounder Demario Douglas.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

I'm definitely all about targeting EDGE in round 1, but Luther Burden would be awfully tempting if there. He didn't have a great year stats wise, but is the best deep threat receiver in the draft.

I heard whispers he doesn’t always play hard….besides petzing is a tight end running back guy….

 

[Denny Green Fan]

Exactly. It would almost be malpractice if MO didn't hit one of those two positions at that spot. I can't see us busting the bank for an EDGE or DT in free agency when those positions are the best two, IMO, in this draft. We can definitely get a very good player for either position at that spot.

One member said it last night…James Pearce and the Kentucky defensive tackle would be a good combo….or a grant and jack sawyer combo…would be another….question…if the two bulldog pass rushers …scourton and Pearce is gone who would be next in line?…grant?..Walter Nolan?…Shamar Stewart?

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I can be critical because they aren't good drafts. When you draft 2x in the top 5 and have 20 picks on a team without talent and end up with little impact to show for it, it is not a good outcome. Yes I watched Adams be terrible for most of the season and Jones be poor prior to yesterday. Adams was still crap yesterday. PFF grade for the season is 58.4 or the 80th of 135 guards. Jones, he is worse at 53.8 or 104th out of 141 tackles.

Reiman is a clown pick in the third. An absolute clown pick. It's like drafting a punter in the third. A waste of premium resources when you have tons of needs. 36 yards receiving for the year. If Petzing leaves, is the next offensive coordinator going to trot out 3 TE sets 30% of the time?

Benson is terrible because who was available around that pick and it's worse now that we resigned Conner. Benson has brought nothing to do the team that we didn't already have in Carter and Demercado. You know what a good RB pick is in this draft? Tyrone Tracy Jr.

Melton has allowed a passer rating of 99.6 this year, which is 68th of all CBs and he has allowed 12.8 yards per target, which is 81st. He was at least a full round reach and is not good.

Robinson has been atrocious since coming back from injury. He also was a reach where he was drafted. He is a project that may work out but has been out performed by numerous defenders taken after him. That's called a bad pick.

You can't seriously think Michael Wilson is even an average starting WR right now. Wilson's year 2 543 yards would be WR 9 out of the rookies of this year. These are the guys that we could have taken from round 2 on last year as pass catchers:

Puka Nacua, Rashee Rice, Sam Laporta, Jayden Reed, Tank Dell, Josh Downs. You can put Wilson on the same tier as 6th rounder Demario Douglas.

The people pimping Monti's drafting so far are completely delusional. Obviously some of these guys can still pop, but so far the results have been incredibly underwhelming.

Combine that with shambolic FA acquisitions and his refusal to make trades, and the questions are the same since Monti joined the organization - how do they plan on adding above average starters, let alone potential stars?

 

[kerouac9]

Then we're fudged until 2027, because there's no way Monti gets us the edge/DT studs we desperately need in FA.

This is just looking forward to be mad. Some rookies walk right in the door and have a major impact from day one, but most don't.

Will McDonald had 3 sacks as a rookie with the Jets. This season, he had 10.5. This is the usual trajectory of draft picks, and how you actually build a team. Derrick Hall had zero sacks his rookie season with the Seahawks; this year he had eight.

Good teams plan for the development of their young players so they're not hilariously overstocked at one position, leaving themselves exposed elsewhere on the roster.

 

[oaken1]

Deone Walker in round 2 would be huge.

It would. But I kinda think he will have to post a crap combine to be there for us.
Dudes raw size is impressive...8 sacks last year is pretty amazing for a guy that big. He'll if he posts 35 reps and a sub 5.2 he could go top 20...
I'm just hoping... maybe playing for Kentucky lowers him for some teams

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

This is just looking forward to be mad. Some rookies walk right in the door and have a major impact from day one, but most don't.

Will McDonald had 3 sacks as a rookie with the Jets. This season, he had 10.5. This is the usual trajectory of draft picks, and how you actually build a team. Derrick Hall had zero sacks his rookie season with the Seahawks; this year he had eight.

Good teams plan for the development of their young players so they're not hilariously overstocked at one position, leaving themselves exposed elsewhere on the roster.

Agree. People who don't think the Cards have gotten alot of production from their last 2 draft classes don't know what they are talking about. These players will continue to improve.

Anybody on any team can go back and say so and so should have been drafted instead. You can do that with about any pick on any team ever. The fact is the Cards played a very tough schedule, had one of, if not the youngest rosters in the league and were in contention for a playoff spot and division title. Other than injury, none top the 5-6 round picks has been a miss.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

The people pimping Monti's drafting so far are completely delusional. Obviously some of these guys can still pop, but so far the results have been incredibly underwhelming.

Combine that with shambolic FA acquisitions and his refusal to make trades, and the questions are the same since Monti joined the organization - how do they plan on adding above average starters, let alone potential stars?

30% of our draft capital was spent on DBs. If we draft another one it's going to be like Keim and his ILBs.

 

[Stout]

This is just looking forward to be mad. Some rookies walk right in the door and have a major impact from day one, but most don't.

Will McDonald had 3 sacks as a rookie with the Jets. This season, he had 10.5. This is the usual trajectory of draft picks, and how you actually build a team. Derrick Hall had zero sacks his rookie season with the Seahawks; this year he had eight.

Good teams plan for the development of their young players so they're not hilariously overstocked at one position, leaving themselves exposed elsewhere on the roster.

So you're content to have another losing season in 2025? Cool cool.

 

[Stout]

Agree. People who don't think the Cards have gotten alot of production from their last 2 draft classes don't know what they are talking about. These players will continue to improve.

Anybody on any team can go back and say so and so should have been drafted instead. You can do that with about any pick on any team ever. The fact is the Cards played a very tough schedule, had one of, if not the youngest rosters in the league and were in contention for a playoff spot and division title. Other than injury, none top the 5-6 round picks has been a miss.

What were this roster's major holes the past few years and what are (still) this team's major holes heading into the offseason? Thank you, drive through.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

What were this roster's major holes the past few years and what are (still) this team's major holes heading into the offseason? Thank you, drive through.

I’m not a Monti guy but it’s been 2 drafts. Paris, Harrison,Wilson, Benson were to build the offense.
His top 2 picks on the defense have battled injuries and little production out of them.
Melton and Williams have been nice secondary additions.

 

[eastcoastDave]

Ojulari is still on the roster after two years on injured list. I hope he’s as good when he does plays next year as what we thought he’d be before he got hurt. That’d be like getting a mid-level draft pick. However, I’m not hopeful. As for the upcoming draft, if he’s around in the 4th round, I’d take Skattebo. Heck of a ballplayer. As for earlier rounds, an interior defensive lineman and an edge would be great.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

We should draft tvondre Sweat. Oh wait we passed on him twice.

22 Pressures and excellent interior run defense would look great right now. Maybe we should offer Melton for him and get laughed at.

Ossenfort is Keim level at drafting.

I loved him last year.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I loved him last year.

Literally we all did except Monte.

I am not expecting world beaters in the draft. I just want decent players.

 

[MrYeahBut]

Just made my reservation for draft..
Like 6 yrs is a row.. Might as well enjoy myself since I'll hating draft pics!!
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[DVontel]

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Don’t think many here would like this pick.

 

[Shane]

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Don’t think many here would like this pick.

I would Def prefer an OLBer but if the Tackle is the best pick its hard to argue it.

 

[oaken1]

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Don’t think many here would like this pick.

dude is a decent pick at the spot...I would be disappointed a bit, but depending how the round played out he might be the best choice.

 

[BACH]

Has it?

2023 - 1st Paris Johnson Jr was an excellent pick. - agree
2nd round - Got cute and ended up with Ojulari who is a bust. The pick they traded out of ended up being Sam LaPorta for the Lions. - who says he is a bust. Injuries to a player with no injury history when drafted is inconclusive
3rd round - Garrett Williams excellent pick - agree
3rd round - Michael Wilson meh - Solid starting receiver.
4th round - Jon Gaines - injured and then terrible - Has high grades and stuck behind Froholdt. Solid back-up based on yesterday
5th round - Clayton Tune - terrible - yeah
5th round - Owen Pappoe - Yuck - Good for depth, not starter
6th round - Kei'Trel Clark - I like him but the coaches do not. Good depth
6th round - Dante Stills - contributes so good pick - Good rotational player on the DL

Positions drafted: OL - 2 DL - 1 WR - 1 DB - 2 LB - 2 QB - 1

I count 2 excellent picks and 1 good pick. The rest is meh to trash.

2024 - 1st Marvin Harrison Jr - Disappointing. In what way? Very good season for a rookie WR
1st - Darius Robinson - Injured and then disappointing. Incomplete due to the injury, but disappointing in limited time
2nd - Max Melton - Reach who is okay but the players that were available both before the trade down and after make this a bad pick. I do not buy this logic! You cannot cherry pick, who you want to compare with, otherwise you could just slam every pick with "Pats drafted Brady in the 6th round". Is Melton a good player. He certainly looks to be a solid starter for the future. Some players that would have been available without the trade looks better, some look like absolute busts at this time.
3rd - Trey Benson - Disappointing and then injured. Spending a 3rd rounder on a back up RB with so many needs is terrible. He looked good at the end of the season before injured
3rd - Isiah Adams - Terrible. HAHAHHAHAHA. You have no clue!
3rd - Tip Reiman - MEGA reach. I bet he wouldn't have 50 yards receiving on the year and I was right. Case in point. You do not understand his role
3rd - Elijiah Jones - Injured Incomplete
4th - Rabbit - Great pick Yeah. Future quality starter
5th - Xavier Thomas - meh Looked like a good back-up/swing tackle
5th - Christian Jones - meh Looked like a good back-up/swing tackle
7th - Jaden Davis - Not a contributor. On the Practice squad

Positions drafted: WR - 1 DL - 2 DB - 4 RB - 1 OL - 2 TE - 1

I can see your point if you expect every single pick in every round to be a homerun and finding a star. The world doesn't work that way.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Literally we all did except Monte.

I am not expecting world beaters in the draft. I just want decent players.

Then why are you hating on all the draft picks?
All the guys who have played, at the minimum, look like decent players or have filled their roles nicely like Reiman.

 

[Stout]

I’m not a Monti guy but it’s been 2 drafts. Paris, Harrison,Wilson, Benson were to build the offense.
His top 2 picks on the defense have battled injuries and little production out of them.
Melton and Williams have been nice secondary additions.

I repeat, what were the top holes and what are still the top holes in the roster? Hint: Many of them are the same.

 

[Stout]

Then why are you hating on all the draft picks?
All the guys who have played, at the minimum, look like decent players or have filled their roles nicely like Reiman.

DRob does not look like a decent player. C'mon now.

Also, see my last post in this thread.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

I loved him last year.

I wonder if we took him off the board when he got the dui?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

DRob does not look like a decent player. C'mon now.

Also, see my last post in this thread.

He's played about 4 games coming off an injury. Calf injuries can be tough. That's what you need to anchor.
As for the needs, I agree they are edge and DT. But, he has used a late 1st and early 2nd to try and address the positions. Both guys have been hurt. Not much you can do about that.
How about what he has addressed? The WR group is much better. The OL is solidified at the most crucial position. The defensive backfield is much better. The guy has had 2 drafts. He's done pretty well sans injuries.