Your Arizona Cardinals now hold the 16th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft

[BACH]

What's missing is that every player you name as comparisons to the Eagles players are homeless mans versions of what the Eagles have. Jones/Stills can't carry Carter's jock strap. Same with Robinson/Nichols vs. Williams/Graham.

Which I clearly state in my post.

I also state very clearly that I’m talking priority based on type of player.

I assume DR was drafted to be the big DE and time will tell if he works out.

Stills and Jones should be good enough to be a decent duo at NFL starting level - which obviously doesn’t mean all-pro level.

What is desperately needed are the last two position, hence I think that they are the priority.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Which I clearly state in my post.

I also state very clearly that I’m talking priority based on type of player.

I assume DR was drafted to be the big DE and time will tell if he works out.

Stills and Jones should be good enough to be a decent duo at NFL starting level - which obviously doesn’t mean all-pro level.

What is desperately needed are the last two position, hence I think that they are the priority.

Yeah, I still don't understand how you recreate what the Eagles have when your Cardinals counterparts are not nearly as good in comparison. You're comparing above average to great players to fringe starters/rotation at best players.

The Eagles system thrives because they have multiple threats that demand double teams and keeping in help - who on the Cards D requires a double team or keeping in TE/RB to help?

 

[GatorAZ]

Jalon Walker’s explosiveness is intriguing even though he’s a hybrid. We’ve been burned by hybrids although I think he’s different.
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[Cheesebeef]

Yeah, I still don't understand how you recreate what the Eagles have when your Cardinals counterparts are not nearly as good in comparison. You're comparing above average to great players to fringe starters/rotation at best players.

The Eagles system thrives because they have multiple threats that demand double teams and keeping in help - who on the Cards D requires a double team or keeping in TE/RB to help?

It’s a very odd argument to make.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

It’s a very odd argument to make.

It's natural for people to try and make connections, but you can't replicate a 5 star meal with McDonalds level ingredients.

 

[PDXChris]

It's natural for people to try and make connections, but you can't replicate a 5 star meal with McDonalds level ingredients.

I'll leave this here.

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[BACH]

Yeah, I still don't understand how you recreate what the Eagles have when your Cardinals counterparts are not nearly as good in comparison. You're comparing above average to great players to fringe starters/rotation at best players.

The Eagles system thrives because they have multiple threats that demand double teams and keeping in help - who on the Cards D requires a double team or keeping in TE/RB to help?

So you do not recognize that there are different schemes that require different types of players?

 

[Cheesebeef]

So you do not recognize that there are different schemes that require different types of players?

Do you not recognize that that in order to run certain schemes effectively you need great players at those spots you’re talking about and if you don’t, it doesn’t matter if you’re trying to replicate the same scheme?

 

[BACH]

Do you not recognize that that in order to run certain schemes effectively you need great players at those spots you’re talking about and if you don’t, it doesn’t matter if you’re trying to replicate the same scheme?

Sorry, that doesn't make any sense IMO.

Eagles still run the same scheme with the same type of personel as when Gannon was there. Gannon runs the same scheme and surely looks like he's looking for the same type of player fits with the Cardinals.

Are you saying that running the same scheme doesn't matter unless you have the most talent at DL in the NFL like the Eagles?

I would argue that you can still run the same scheme and see good results with lesser players - just not as dominant. We are arguebly the least talent on the DL of any team in the league. Are you saying that we cannot improve by adding more talent in the same scheme, because we do not reach the same talent level as the Eagles?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Sorry, that doesn't make any sense IMO.

Eagles still run the same scheme with the same type of personel as when Gannon was there. Gannon runs the same scheme and surely looks like he's looking for the same type of player fits with the Cardinals.

Are you saying that running the same scheme doesn't matter unless you have the most talent at DL in the NFL like the Eagles?

I would argue that you can still run the same scheme and see good results with lesser players - just not as dominant. We are arguebly the least talent on the DL of any team in the league. Are you saying that we cannot improve by adding more talent in the same scheme, because we do not reach the same talent level as the Eagles?

I’m saying trying to emulate the Eagles D without the Eagles level of talent is an exercise in futility.

That really isn’t a controversial opinion.

 

[BACH]

I’m saying trying to emulate the Eagles D without the Eagles level of talent is an exercise in futility.

That really isn’t a controversial opinion.

Not saying it is controversial. But it's a very weird take IMO. Of course you can compare schemes without the talent level being identical.

 

[kerouac9]

Eagles still run the same scheme with the same type of personel as when Gannon was there. Gannon runs the same scheme and surely looks like he's looking for the same type of player fits with the Cardinals.

This is not correct. Vic Fangio is in charge of the Eagles defense now.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

The NFL is a copycat league. Teams will try and run the Philly scheme because it worked. Much like teams tried to emulate Buddy and his 46 Bears defense back in the day. Remember when the wildcat worked. Every team had a version of that. Agree that you need the players to make it successful, but teams will try it.
The 2 deep safety scheme is being used by almost all teams now and will continue until the offenses adjust and beat it. Lots of teams are doing the tush push but don't have Hurts back there running it.

 

[BACH]

This is not correct. Vic Fangio is in charge of the Eagles defense now.

WOW. I didn't realize that... And here I thought Gannon worked both as the Cardinals HC and Eagles DC....

Personel types and scheme fits have remained identical. Eagles still run a light and heavy DEs & lighter and heavy DT to balance Run stopping and pass rushing.

 

[Stout]

Yeah, I still don't understand how you recreate what the Eagles have when your Cardinals counterparts are not nearly as good in comparison. You're comparing above average to great players to fringe starters/rotation at best players.

The Eagles system thrives because they have multiple threats that demand double teams and keeping in help - who on the Cards D requires a double team or keeping in TE/RB to help?

Right. Not a single member of our defensive front can hold a single member of their defensive front's jock straps.

 

[Stout]

Jalon Walker’s explosiveness is intriguing even though he’s a hybrid. We’ve been burned by hybrids although I think he’s different.
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No thanks.

 

[kerouac9]

WOW. I didn't realize that... And here I thought Gannon worked both as the Cardinals HC and Eagles DC....

Personel types and scheme fits have remained identical. Eagles still run a light and heavy DEs & lighter and heavy DT to balance Run stopping and pass rushing.

Everyone does this. This observation is inane.

 

[BACH]

Everyone does this. This observation is inane.

Nope. Only 5-6 teams uses this scheme of lining a 3-4 DE type as a 4-3 DE

 

[kerouac9]

Nope. Only 5-6 teams uses this scheme of lining a 3-4 DE type as a 4-3 DE

Okay guy.

 

[CardNots]

Okay guy.

Something is amiss with a comment such as “nope”.

 

[BACH]

Something is amiss with a comment such as “nope”.

A Nope would in most cases require argumentation.

That would be hard when defend a POV that there are no differences in schemes in the NFL

 

[kerouac9]

A Nope would in most cases require argumentation.

That would be hard when defend a POV that there are no differences in schemes in the NFL

You're not making a scheme argument (which is on its face deranged because the schemes have changed three times since Gannon was there), you're making a personnel argument, and then offering no evidence to support it.

Obviously teams like a variety of physical profiles along their defensive front sevens, and want to balance pass rush and run stopping. Again, this is an inane argument. If you have a more pointed one, you should make that.

 

[Ronin]

Andy Kwong

@akwong31



NFL's Daniel Jeremiah is pretty much spot on when it comes to the #AZCardinals first-round selections in his mock drafts:2021: Zaven Collins 2023: Paris Johnson Jr2024: Marvin Harrison Jr, Darius Robinson (Had DRob in his 2.0 mock & MHJ in his final)Maybe it's just luck but after his final mock draft is released in March/April, we'll get a good idea of the favorites to be the Cards' first-round pick.His 1.0 mock draft had AZ drafting Georgia EDGE rusher Jalon Walker

 

[football karma]

IIRC, Micah Parsons dropped in the draft in part because he played a lot of off the ball LB and also rushed the passer (that, and covid made the 2020 season weird)

not saying Jalon Walker is Micah Parsons, but saying maybe he was a bit miscast in college and that could make him available later in the draft

 

[Chopper0080]

IIRC, Micah Parsons dropped in the draft in part because he played a lot of off the ball LB and also rushed the passer (that, and covid made the 2020 season weird)

not saying Jalon Walker is Micah Parsons, but saying maybe he was a bit miscast in college and that could make him available later in the draft

I believe you recall incorrectly. Parsons dropped because of hazing accusations earlier in his years at Penn St.