Your favorite David Fincher film

[Chaplin]

dude... if you're gonna quibble with that, you've got to smash the entire movie. The entire "Game" was predicated on knowing exactly how he would react with precision so that every move lead him to the very end. if you loved everything up until the moment he jumps off the roof, you've already bought in to the conceit that their psychological tests knew that each move would push him exactly to the next move, right? so, why get mad when they correctly predicted how it would end when he's literally fallen in step with everything else along the way?

They've "predicted" larger, more plot-dependent things, such as getting into the right cab or shooting his brother. But where EXACTLY he will jump off a seemingly nondescript roof? Heck, even four feet further on either side of where he actually jumped would have been disastrous, let alone if he jumped off the south side vs. the east side.

It's my opinion, but since everyone seems to be of the opposite mind, I apologize for being so unreasonable.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

and it's your opinion to have ... i'm just in the group that doesn't find it that unreasonable given all the other stuff in the movie, much of which was very detailed and precise .... also the reactions throughout the movie definitely ramped up

if they can predict with precision the exact time he will arrive at places and how he will move around a place in general or that he'll look at a TV at the precise time to see the actor who enrolled him and then would track him down and kidnap him to lead him to the building then I can buy that they knew that once he shot his brother he would walk towards the edge

If they knew he'd jump and knew how he'd react all they needed to figure out was which way he would turn and if he would walk straight

I just rewatched and he's arguing with the chick staring straight at the door - she can hold his position to the door by her movement - door opens - he shoots - brother falls - others respond, but he just freezes .... starts crying, turns to his right & drops the gun - walks straight to the edge and jumps without hesitation

staying perfect throughout the fall may be harder to believe ..... but turning right, walking straight and jumping - in the context of the movie I don't find it that off

 

[crisper57]

Really? I thought Aliens 3 was horrifically bad.

After he got done, the studio reworked it. Its mostly acknowledged that the failings of the movie weren't on him, but on the execs who made choices after he left the project.

Fincher doesn't lay claim to the final product, as it was edited heavily after he left it. But it still gave him his big shot, so I have a soft spot in my heart for that reason.

 

[Chaplin]

and it's your opinion to have ... i'm just in the group that doesn't find it that unreasonable given all the other stuff in the movie, much of which was very detailed and precise .... also the reactions throughout the movie definitely ramped up

if they can predict with precision the exact time he will arrive at places and how he will move around a place in general or that he'll look at a TV at the precise time to see the actor who enrolled him and then would track him down and kidnap him to lead him to the building then I can buy that they knew that once he shot his brother he would walk towards the edge

If they knew he'd jump and knew how he'd react all they needed to figure out was which way he would turn and if he would walk straight

I just rewatched and he's arguing with the chick staring straight at the door - she can hold his position to the door by her movement - door opens - he shoots - brother falls - others respond, but he just freezes .... starts crying, turns to his right & drops the gun - walks straight to the edge and jumps without hesitation

staying perfect throughout the fall may be harder to believe ..... but turning right, walking straight and jumping - in the context of the movie I don't find it that off

First, let me say I have NO problem believing they predicted he'd jump. In fact, I like the fact that he did jump. HOWEVER, I don't think they have proven in the script that this company can predict the exact location he would jump from, when a few feet either way would determine whether he lived or died.

You are saying that him "turning to the right" and jumping is perfectly believable for you. But what if he turned left? Or if he did a 180 and ran off the building behind him? How do you predict that he will turn right? And that prediction better damn well be right because if it isn't, then he dies. Period.

Granted, this is chaos theory at it's finest, but that doesn't mean that their prediction of the exact location he jumped is any more believable. This is a problem of the script rather than the direction.

I simply do not believe that this company, or any company for that matter, could predict the exact location from where he would jump.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

They controlled which portion of the roof he and the woman would go to. As they walk out onto the roof he runs his hand along the 4 to 4.5 foot railing on his right. They are on a massive roof, but toward one end of it. It likely has a few levels. My guess is that on the other side of that railing it might drop a little but not any farther than a few feet to the next level. That is not the other side of the roof at all. Straight ahead as they walk out is a massive field of pipes bending every which way - just a minefield of pipes. The only other side is - the edge of the building that he stepped off.

While the man and woman were pretending to tend to Nicholas' brother they were able to monitor him and pay attention to his actions.

The company used their profile to predict what he would do, but as the company man explained downstairs - "If you hadn't jumped I was supposed to throw you off the roof."

It isn't far-fetched at all when you look at the actual rooftop environment and since they knew where he and the woman would enter the rooftop it also isn't far-fetched to believe there were fail safes in place in case he suddenly went off profile and tried to go somewhere else on the roof.

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[BigRedRage]

alien 3 was stupid IMHO!

After alien 2, having a movie with nothing but flares for weapons was just boring.

 

[Cheesebeef]

They've "predicted" larger, more plot-dependent things, such as getting into the right cab or shooting his brother. But where EXACTLY he will jump off a seemingly nondescript roof? Heck, even four feet further on either side of where he actually jumped would have been disastrous, let alone if he jumped off the south side vs. the east side.

It's my opinion, but since everyone seems to be of the opposite mind, I apologize for being so unreasonable.

jeez... no reason to get so defensive. i just think with a movie who's premise is outrageous to begin with, that quibbling about the end seems odd.

 

[Chaplin]

They controlled which portion of the roof he and the woman would go to. As they walk out onto the roof he runs his hand along the 4 to 4.5 foot railing on his right. They are on a massive roof, but toward one end of it. It likely has a few levels. My guess is that on the other side of that railing it might drop a little but not any farther than a few feet to the next level. That is not the other side of the roof at all. Straight ahead as they walk out is a massive field of pipes bending every which way - just a minefield of pipes. The only other side is - the edge of the building that he stepped off.

While the man and woman were pretending to tend to Nicholas' brother they were able to monitor him and pay attention to his actions.

The company used their profile to predict what he would do, but as the company man explained downstairs - "If you hadn't jumped I was supposed to throw you off the roof."

It isn't far-fetched at all when you look at the actual rooftop environment and since they knew where he and the woman would enter the rooftop it also isn't far-fetched to believe there were fail safes in place in case he suddenly went off profile and tried to go somewhere else on the roof.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S2.

And once again, the bag he landed on was in a specific location on the street. There is no argument against that. He only had a small window from which to jump from, and a few feet to either side he did end up jumping from would have been catastrophic.

You quote the company man, which doesn't support your theory because if they predicted with certainty that he would jump off that exact point, why would the company man need to be there in case he didn't jump? Isn't that the opposite of them predicting everything to the most minute detail?

What failsafes were there? There weren't any "failsafes". And you use the word "guess" in your post, which to me is also an opinion. You guess there are failsafes and multiple levels. Nothing in the script tells you that, you're assuming. Just like nothing tells me that there was another plan besides them predicting with 100% certainty that he would jump off at that exact spot. In fact, that's what everyone above is arguing, that the company knew for a fact that he would jump at that exact spot.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

And once again, the bag he landed on was in a specific location on the street. There is no argument against that. He only had a small window from which to jump from, and a few feet to either side he did end up jumping from would have been catastrophic.

You quote the company man, which doesn't support your theory because if they predicted with certainty that he would jump off that exact point, why would the company man need to be there in case he didn't jump? Isn't that the opposite of them predicting everything to the most minute detail?

What failsafes were there? There weren't any "failsafes". And you use the word "guess" in your post, which to me is also an opinion. You guess there are failsafes and multiple levels. Nothing in the script tells you that, you're assuming. Just like nothing tells me that there was another plan besides them predicting with 100% certainty that he would jump off at that exact spot. In fact, that's what everyone above is arguing, that the company knew for a fact that he would jump at that exact spot.

I used the word guess regarding the railing along the right side of the final scene as they walk out onto the section of the roof they were on. To me it looked like it was just more roof on the other side of it but maybe down a level. Three sides are essentially closed off. The path of least resistance is the direction that Nicholas walked.

It wouldn't lessen the company's ability to read anyone if they had failsafes in place. It would just show that they were ready for any deviations.

Also - when did you last see this? You keep referring to the safety bag being on the street. It was inside a huge banquet hall which he fell through safety glass to reach.

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[dreamcastrocks]

Se7en and it isn't even close.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Se7en and it isn't even close.

Yep. I can't even believe there is a debate.

 

[Covert Rain]

Se7en and it isn't even close.

It's in my movie collection but let's not get carried away. It's not that much better versus some of the other really good ones on the list IMO.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

It's in my movie collection but let's not get carried away. It's not that much better versus some of the other really good ones on the list IMO.

There are some good ones, but Se7en is at least a couple levels above every other movie there.

 

[Shane]

It's in my movie collection but let's not get carried away. It's not that much better versus some of the other really good ones on the list IMO.

Yes! Yes it is!

 

[MigratingOsprey]

I agree - it's a different level for sure, not a knock against the others though

 

[Breaking Bad]

Social Network, because it uses all of the best film elements and is a great drama as well. The character interaction is also second to none.