Your The Suns GM and on the Clock - 1stround

[Irish]

In the rumor thread I posted a piece from Draft Express that suggests the Blazers may keep their pick. While this mostly relates to the Barbosa trade, it is equally significant that this is the slot the Cavs are targeting.
http://www.draftexpress.com/blog/Jonathan-Givony/

Here's how I see this working out:

10 New Jersey - Lots of people think it will be Danilo Gallinari.
11. Indiana - Most think this will be Augustine unless Westbrook really slips. They need a PG a lot
12 Sacramento - Alexander and Randolph are common projections here. SG is their strongest position
13 Portland - Alexander, Westbrook, and Ajinca are on their radar. With Roy and Fernandez, Rush would be a third stringer.
14 Golden State - Most mocks have them taking a skilled big. Most list Donte Green or Arthur but also McGee.

I think the biggest threat is the Blazers trading out to the Cavs, but that seems to be very back burner right now.

 

[JoRain]

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12 Sacramento - Alexander and Randolph are common projections here. SG is their strongest position

there is a rumor that Sacramento have made a promise to Arthur

 

[Irish]

there is a rumor that Sacramento have made a promise to Arthur

I was originally thinking Arthur for the Suns, but I'm only luke warm on him right now. It is to the Suns benefit if he goes there.

 

[JoRain]

The Lopez bros will suck in the NBA. Over hyped to the max.

Brook sure. I agree.
But with Robin not so sure. His stock has risen dramatically since the workouts meaning he is actaully better than most thought about him.
Before workouts begun, he was late first rounder, now there was a story that there is slight chance he might be picked 10th by NJ

So either he is better than "most" people thought or everyone else is just worse

 

[Irish]

Robin is one of the bigs who was better known for his defense than offense. Apparently the workouts are suggesting he's better offensively than previously though.

IMHO, the bigs known for their offense are a lot more problematic. Workouts can show what is already know, but don't necessarily tell if their defense is better than thought. Too often the buzz phrase is "needs to get stronger" which means "can't play defense".

 

[KloD]

• Phoenix did call Milwaukee trying to get No. 8 to get to Alexander. The Suns are looking for a small forward. It's no secret that guard Leandro Barbosa is on the block.

 

[Irish]

• Phoenix did call Milwaukee trying to get No. 8 to get to Alexander. The Suns are looking for a small forward. It's no secret that guard Leandro Barbosa is on the block.

Certainly the newspapers think so. But I'm not sure I'd take Alexander over Rush.

What's more important in relation to the Bucks is that supposedly they are shopping Mo Williams who played some PG for Porter. I'm not sure why Mo is on the market, but a draft swoap plus Williams would be pretty enticing.

 

[WuRaider]

Trade Barbosa for Webster, Sergio, #13, #27

#13 B Rush
#15 Donte Green
#27 DeAndre Jordan

Resign Skinner

Nash/Sergio/DJ
Bell/Rush/Webster
Hill/Green/Tucker
Amare/Diaw
Shaq/Jordan/Skinner

Rent a a vet for 1-2 mil and we're good to go.

 

[The Commish]

Trade Barbosa for Webster, Sergio, #13, #27

#13 B Rush
#15 Donte Green
#27 DeAndre Jordan

Resign Skinner

Nash/Sergio/DJ
Bell/Rush/Webster
Hill/Green/Tucker
Amare/Diaw
Shaq/Jordan/Skinner

Rent a a vet for 1-2 mil and we're good to go.

Barbosa isn't worth that much. We'd have to include our #15 and/or Tucker I think to get that done.

Jordan doesn't last to #27 - he has too much upside.

 

[WuRaider]

Barbosa isn't worth that much. We'd have to include our #15 and/or Tucker I think to get that done.

Jordan doesn't last to #27 - he has too much upside.

Barbosa has a very cap friendly contract and can put up 20 a night. I think the trade is fair considering that Martel is still "unproven".

If not Jordan, probably McGee or another project big.

 

[Irish]

I wish I had memory of Webster in the games against the Suns. I don't know how to value him.

My read on him is that the Blazers do not figure on re-signing him and that's why he's being shopped. Jack always played well against the Suns, but reports are that the Blazers are looking for another PG which makes me wonder what's going on with him.

My read on it is that the Suns are not as impressed with these two as much of this board is. My guess is that they are trying to get Outlaw rather than Webster. Apparently the Blazers don't want to let go of Outlaw and are trying to sweeten the pot with draft picks.

It certainly sounds like the Blazers REALLY like Barbosa. If they are willing to give up Jack, they may believe that McMIllian can teach him how to be a PG in their offense. If Barbosa could run the offense better, he'd be an incredible theart.

It would be interesting to know what Porter thinks of Barbosa.

 

[Griffin]

With regards to Brandon Rush, what makes anyone think that he'll be better than his brother Kareem? They are the same size and both entered the draft after their junior seasons. Kareem was projected to go high too until he started sliding into the 20's. He's draft capsule from 2002:

Rush is a GM's dream at shooting guard. A lefty with a lethal jump shot, the ability to create off the dribble and a scorer's mentality. Very quick, with great leaping ability. Every scout used the word "smooth" to describe his game. Attacks on defense. Good rebounder. Picked up his game toward the end of the season.

I am not convinced that Brandon Rush will have a much more successful career at this point, but it's possible.

Personally, I think at 15 you might as well take some risks and draft on potential, so Jordan and McGee would be interesting there, or Randolph if he drops. I am also intrigued by Jason Thompson, though he could probably be had much later in the draft. There is no single player that I really want though, other than those that will surely be gone by then. Players I don't want: Robin Lopez and DJ Augistin.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm still with the Suns selecting Koufos at #15. He can play C/F and has a nice offensive skill set and he is young enough to continue to develop. He may not have the most hops of some other bigs but at 7', but I'm not worried about it. I compare him to Divac or Okur. Also he is only 19 but I believe he can contribute now at least offensively. IMO, some teams are going to be sorry they didn't draft him. I hope it's not the Suns.

 

[PhxGametime]

I'm guessing I would select Mario Chalmers but I'd like to see some clips of these guys that haven't seen... Koufos have any clips at NBADraft.net??


Gambo didn't even know who the guy was, which means he's probably the Pick ;D lol

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm guessing I would select Mario Chalmers but I'd like to see some clips of these guys that haven't seen... Koufos have any clips at NBADraft.net??


Gambo didn't even know who the guy was, which means he's probably the Pick ;D lol

Yes. See link:

http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/kostakoufos.html

His shot is really sweet off the backboard.

 

[tobiazz]

With regards to Brandon Rush, what makes anyone think that he'll be better than his brother Kareem? They are the same size and both entered the draft after their junior seasons. Kareem was projected to go high too until he started sliding into the 20's. He's draft capsule from 2002:

I am not convinced that Brandon Rush will have a much more successful career at this point, but it's possible.

You raise some excellent points. These two Rushes had veryl similar status during their college careers and neither improved much with successive years. His knee and 13ppg do not do much for me.

Kareem: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rushka01.html

Brandon: http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/brandon-rush?season=2007-2008

The problem is that all these guys have flaws. Augustin is tiny, Rush's FT% is so-so, CDR's is about 71% which may indicate he will be all slash no range, Randolph is very raw and he's a PF, Jordan is terrible, McGee is raw, Greene might be an Antoine Walker, Koufos has no D, R Lopez has no O, Kevin Love is ugly, the list goes on...

I might move Randolph back above Rush.

 

[PhxGametime]

He looked nice in those clips, was disappointed I didn't get to see a lot of clips from his Ohio State Team though...


Right now for ME, it's Chalmers and the Prospect the Suns feel is best fit between: Lopez, Koufos, Jordan.


I'm high on Arthur but thats more than likely not a need with Diaw on roster; I don't know enough about Speights. From what I read... I'm not sure Ajinca or McGee are ready.


and last, I favor Greene over Rush; though i believe neither will be there regardless.

 

[mojorizen7]

If i'm GM, i'm still shopping NASH/BARBOSA to Memphis/Seattle/NY for top 6 pick and a solid starter + future considerations.
Draft a Bayless/Westbrook/Augustin and plug in a David Lee/Mike Miller/Nick Collison.
As much as Diaws contract sucks, it's nice to have a distributor that has a post-up game. Nash will prob retire here but i say get value for the 2-time MVP while you can(not a popular view i know).
I believe the window has shut. If the SUNS truly feel that it hasn't, then bite the freakin $$$ bullet go & get Ron Artest(before he ends up in S.A.) to solidify this team's man-on-man defense,toughness, and clutch scoring.
With a combo of NASH,BELL,ARTEST,HILL,BARBOSA,DJ running around DIAW,STAT & SHAQ down low i like our chances coming out of the West....otherwise
nobody in this draft or a backup PG anywhere is going to put the SUNS over the hump at this point.
Artest is a difference maker and brings to the table EXACTLY (IMO) what the SUNS lack at the 2, 3, & 4 positions. We're old,slow and soft there.
BTW, this may be blasphemous but if the SUNS want to take one more shot at the trophy...i wonder what kind of scenario it would take to get B. Bowen into a SUNS uni next year? A suffocating defender that can shoot the 3.
No...i haven't been drinking LOL

 

[devilalum]

I'm on the phone begging the Twolves to buy our pick for $3 million semolians.

McHale agrees but has no idea what semolians are.

 

[Irish]

I can't say much about Kareem except that he is a good three point shooter. That is something the Suns are looking for, but not JUST shooting. Every review suggests Brandan is a first class defenders with great latteral quickness, long arrms, and technique. He was a key to the best defensive team in the college basketball.

A problem with the Suns last season was that to get three point shooting, D'Antoni had to play both Barbosa and Nash togehter with 6'5" Bell at SF. Getting a three point shooter that can play defense with the length to guard forwards could be huge. Certainly better than having a project sitting on the end of the bench.

 

[mojorizen7]

I can't say much about Kareem except that he is a good three point shooter. That is something the Suns are looking for, but not JUST shooting. Every review suggests Brandan is a first class defenders with great latteral quickness, long arrms, and technique. He was a key to the best defensive team in the college basketball.

Then why do you think he may fall to the SUNS at #15? Or do you?

 

[tobiazz]

Then why do you think he may fall to the SUNS at #15? Or do you?

George wrote that he's worried Rush may go 13th.

 

[tobiazz]

I decided to jump to the CDR bandwagon, in part because of this dunk in which he sends Kevin Love quivering to the floor like a bowl of Jello spilled knocked off a table.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eziogfe5XSI&feature=related

He seems like more of an animal than Rush, with more basketball instinct. I know he missed two clutch free throws, but I can overlook that.

 

[jandaman]

I can't say much about Kareem except that he is a good three point shooter. That is something the Suns are looking for, but not JUST shooting. Every review suggests Brandan is a first class defenders with great latteral quickness, long arrms, and technique. He was a key to the best defensive team in the college basketball.

A problem with the Suns last season was that to get three point shooting, D'Antoni had to play both Barbosa and Nash togehter with 6'5" Bell at SF. Getting a three point shooter that can play defense with the length to guard forwards could be huge. Certainly better than having a project sitting on the end of the bench.

And thats why I still like Donte Greene as the 15th.

Horry or Lewis..

and someone mentioned Walker... Walker was a good player for a few seasons, wouldnt mind a 20/10/4 player who can shoot the 3.

 

[tobiazz]

And thats why I still like Donte Greene as the 15th.

Horry or Lewis..

and someone mentioned Walker... Walker was a good player for a few seasons, wouldnt mind a 20/10/4 player who can shoot the 3.

I only meant the 3-pt chucking at a low % of Walker, haha. Walker was very crafty near the rim even though he couldn't jump. I wouldn't be disappointed if they took Greene.