Time to take Patrick Peterson off of punt return duty

[Timm Rosenbach]

The fear factor has dissipated (The Texans kicked it right to him) and the risk of losing him outweighs any benefit of having him back there. We need PP21 in on every defensive down and one or two offensive downs per game. Time for Tyrann to take over return duty.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Agreed..... Honey Badger time

 

[desertdawg]

The fear factor has dissipated (The Texans kicked it right to him) and the risk of losing him outweighs any benefit of having him back there. We need PP21 in on every defensive down and one or two offensive downs per game. Time for Tyrann to take over return duty.

I understand both sides, don't risk injury, and maximize your chances with the super talented players. Now if your saying Honey can return better than PP ( not sure about that though amigo), than that's a good reason to make a switch. But if the idea is to get one of our elite players out of harms way, I'd say we can't afford to lose Honey either. That man is a tackling machine, and can cover most anyone, except the giant TEs.

If you just want to try something new, I'd like to see Honey catch a few too but it might funk with their dynamic.

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

I understand both sides, don't risk injury, and maximize your chances with the super talented players. Now if your saying Honey can return better than PP ( not sure about that though amigo), than that's a good reason to make a switch. But if the idea is to get one of our elite players out of harms way, I'd say we can't afford to lose Honey either. That man is a tackling machine, and can cover most anyone, except the giant TEs.

If you just want to try something new, I'd like to see Honey catch a few too but it might funk with their dynamic.

Watch this highlight; he has similar ability and fresher legs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qrLU0iDfBc

 

[D-Dogg]

Let Arenas do it.

Save HB and PP for defense rather than put either at risk.

At this point, teams have figured out how to cover the inside and shade the edges on punts for him, giving him nowhere to go. HB is basically the same type of returner, so same goes there.

HB and PP are absolutely crucial to this D.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

May as well take PP out, he's been completely useless as a return man lately.. looks like he has no interest in it anymore.

 

[freebyrd]

i say arenas, ellington would be absolutely dynamic but it would scare me to death watching and praying he didn't get hurt

 

[Brian in Mesa]

PP also had another fumble which he thankfully reached out and recovered at the last possible second.

 

[jmt]

Agreed - he seems to be running backwards a lot - no?

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Let Arenas do it.

Save HB and PP for defense rather than put either at risk.

At this point, teams have figured out how to cover the inside and shade the edges on punts for him, giving him nowhere to go. HB is basically the same type of returner, so same goes there.

HB and PP are absolutely crucial to this D.

Agree. Time for Arenas to be back there.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Peterson averaged 12 yards per return on Sunday.

I complete disagree with taking the ball out of his hands. Especially with an offense that is no where close to even "average".

 

[Cardiac]

Peterson averaged 12 yards per return on Sunday.

I complete disagree with taking the ball out of his hands. Especially with an offense that is no where close to even "average".

During the game day thread I posted to pull him from PR duties after his first pitiful return. He sauntered then stopped then ran backwards, it was just awful and I think he was trying to hard to make something out of nothing.

After that he got his mind right and started catching and running immediately and with purpose. I've backed off banging the table to have him taken off PR duties but it's still very much on my mind.

HB has more lateral quickness and make you miss moves. PP is more powerful and far better straight line speed.

Arenas is the most expendable but I haven't seen enough to know if he has make you miss moves.

I realize PP is in fantastic shape but we do ask a ton of him and his duties of having to cover the #1 WR every week and get offensive reps and PR may be just a bit much.

 

[Russ Smith]

We talked about it again on the game day thread, when he runs forward he's still pretty good but more often than not he runs laterally and then "slips" when he's about to get hit.

He got lit up pretty good on one return later in the game, I'm of the opinion he no longer is interested in doing it but doesn't want to say so because he thinks it would look bad. Thats where a head coach earns his salary, step in and say we're going to use someone else, be it Arenas or Mathieu or whoever.

PP hasn't broken one in about 20 games now, we can talk about missing blocking and this and that but he's not breaking them because he's no longer willing to commit to try and break them the way he did as a rookie.

 

[PJ1]

What a weapon we had on the punt return that now seems to have gone away. Agree he is still effective when he takes what is there and runs north-south.

I wouldn't mind seeing HB get a shot but no thanks on Arenas. He would probably refuse to fair catch anything and get killed.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I realize PP is in fantastic shape but we do ask a ton of him and his duties of having to cover the #1 WR every week and get offensive reps and PR may be just a bit much.

He is a professional athlete.

Now, I am skewed. I played a contact sport that was two halves of constant running for 40 minutes each, not to mention the pushing, and collisions.

I cannot fathom how Patrick Peterson would be "winded" by a football game, even if he played every snap.

While Matheui is a great athlete, he is not in PP7's league, IMO.

You can take him off punt return, but then you take away the threat, IMO. It is not rational to expect him to return 9 punts a year.

Devin Hester is "the best ever" and he has had long periods of time where he hasn't returned a punt or kick return.

Just sayin'

 

[RugbyMuffin]

We talked about it again on the game day thread, when he runs forward he's still pretty good but more often than not he runs laterally and then "slips" when he's about to get hit.

He got lit up pretty good on one return later in the game, I'm of the opinion he no longer is interested in doing it but doesn't want to say so because he thinks it would look bad. Thats where a head coach earns his salary, step in and say we're going to use someone else, be it Arenas or Mathieu or whoever.

PP hasn't broken one in about 20 games now, we can talk about missing blocking and this and that but he's not breaking them because he's no longer willing to commit to try and break them the way he did as a rookie.

I don't agree.

That is a lot of assumptions made on what Peterson's mind set is, IMO.

 

[Shane]

I don't agree.

That is a lot of assumptions made on what Peterson's mind set is, IMO.

I completely agree with Russ. PP is nowhere near as aggressive and it's obvious.

 

[SeattleCard]

PP is losing out on potential positive yards by running back and/or sideways

 

[Cheesebeef]

yeah...I'd rather see Honey in there returning punts at this point. seems like Peterson just can't north-south anymore on these, always trying to backtrack to get to the corner...which he seldom does anymore.

if he's not going to be aggressive like he was his first couple years, he's not the weapon he was and with him taking more shots on offense, I'd rather rest him to be the stud on defense he's been and not take any more chances.

 

[Russ Smith]

I don't agree.

That is a lot of assumptions made on what Peterson's mind set is, IMO.

Then he needs new shoes and it's remarkable how he never slips on defense but slips on every third punt return this year.

I don't blame him, he's too valuable to the team to get hurt returning a punt, and he's figured that out IMO.

 

[JeffGollin]

Peterson averaged 12 yards per return on Sunday.

I complete disagree with taking the ball out of his hands. Especially with an offense that is no where close to even "average".

Agree. There's a learning curve dynamic here. At first, PP21 was doubling back and losing yardage. But as the game progressed, he started heading due-North and gobbling up yardage.

I think it began to dawn on him that, despite all that speed, he can't always outrun coverage and beat coverage to the sideline. If he's learned this, I'd leave him back there.

As for Arenas - Do you want him to return punts? Really? Is that because the terrific judgment he consistently shows when he returns deep kickoffs to the 15 will somehow translate into terrific punt returns?

 

[Russ Smith]

Agree. There's a learning curve dynamic here. At first, PP21 was doubling back and losing yardage. But as the game progressed, he started heading due-North and gobbling up yardage.

I think it began to dawn on him that, despite all that speed, he can't always outrun coverage and beat coverage to the sideline. If he's learned this, I'd leave him back there.

As for Arenas - Do you want him to return punts? Really? Is that because the terrific judgment he consistently shows when he returns deep kickoffs to the 15 will somehow translate into terrific punt returns?

Arenas has returned 105 punts in his NFL career 9.85 per return. PP is averaging 7 yards per return this year and 8.4 per return last year. I love PP I was the guy screaming from the rooftops to draft the guy. But it's pretty apparent PP isn't the same guy returning punts that he was as a rookie, 71 returns in the last 2 years, his longest is 26 yards. For awhile there we were getting good field position because teams were kicking away from him, that hasn't seemed to be the case much at all this year, teams have figured out he's probably going to slip down or run out of bounds so they're kicking to him.

He's one of the best CB's in the NFL, let him do that. If you notice he's kind of half stepping it on FG's too he often doesn't even bother to rush anymore. I think it's pretty clear that he's picking and choosing his spots more now because he's being asked to do so much on this team.

 

[MrYeahBut]

You have to have a death wish to be a punt returner in the NFL.

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

For Goodness' sake, can we please put someone back there who isn't afraid of anything and who wants to field punts back there. We have a perfect candidate in Tyrann.

 

[Darkside]

Agree.

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