Olivier Vernon

[Ohcrap75]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...phins-to-designate-vernon-with-transition-tag

Dolphins only giving transition tag to Vernon. They have the right to match any offer, but do Not get any compensation if they choose not to. Wonder if Keim will make an offer?

 

[Chopper0080]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...phins-to-designate-vernon-with-transition-tag

Dolphins only giving transition tag to Vernon. They have the right to match any offer, but do Not get any compensation if they choose not to. Wonder if Keim will make an offer?

It is a huge risk, but there aren't a bunch of options available to add a pass rush. The only thing good is that it wouldn't cost us a draft pick. Also, edge rushers have a little better FA track record than DL. The questions is, is Vernon more Conner Barwin or Paul Krueger?

 

[Cheesebeef]

It is a huge risk, but there aren't a bunch of options available to add a pass rush. The only thing good is that it wouldn't cost us a draft pick. Also, edge rushers have a little better FA track record than DL. The questions is, is Vernon more Conner Barwin or Paul Krueger?

I don't know, but the guy is young, talented and can get to the passer better then anyone we have on our team. I think it's worth the risk to try and get him. The time is now, pass rush is still a MASSIVE problem on the D and if he's a step towards filling that hole and not having to depend on a late first round rookie or second rounder to fill that gap and we can go anywhere in the draft, that's a double bonus as far as I'm concerned.

The Dolphins are a dumpster fire of an organization. Gotta take advantage of teams like that when they're talented players hit the market.

 

[Chopper0080]

I don't know, but the guy is young, talented and can get to the passer better then anyone we have on our team. I think it's worth the risk to try and get him. The time is now, pass rush is still a MASSIVE problem on the D and if he's a step towards filling that hole and not having to depend on a late first round rookie or second rounder to fill that gap and we can go anywhere in the draft, that's a double bonus as far as I'm concerned.

The Dolphins are a dumpster fire of an organization. Gotta take advantage of teams like that when they're talented players hit the market.

I would make an offer, but I would offer him a 3 year deal so he can hit FA again. That should appeal to Vernon, and would enable you to get out of the deal faster if he sucks. Make the cap hit high so the Dolphins can't match it.

You take less risk but he gets to get paid twice. Essentially offer a higher version of the Demarcus Ware deal.

 

[BIGRED1959]

Mario Williams just released.....

 

[GatorAZ]

OV will likely get a ridiculous contract rom one of those teams that need to reach the cap floor. I think the Raiders should pair him up with Mack. Imagine that EDGE.

Still in favor of JPP on a 1 year deal and drafting a young guy who will be ready to contribute in 2017.

 

[82CardsGrad]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...phins-to-designate-vernon-with-transition-tag

Dolphins only giving transition tag to Vernon. They have the right to match any offer, but do Not get any compensation if they choose not to. Wonder if Keim will make an offer?

Fools gold...

 

[Snakester]

Make him an offer and see what happens.

 

[Mitch]

Make him an offer and see what happens.

Gary, I think the Cardinals would have to front load it, which would make it difficult for the Dolphins to match.

 

[Snakester]

Gary, I think the Cardinals would have to front load it, which would make it difficult for the Dolphins to match.

Your probably right about that. The only way we are going to get an impact pass rusher for this year is in free agency. I fully believe that Keim will sign one impact player and it will be a pass rusher. He will have to give a 10 mil a year deal to get that guy if not more. Then I think we add an OLB and a D- lineman in the draft in the first three rounds.

 

[BACH]

Exellent article on Vernon. I'll pass after Reading this.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2622035-why-transition-tagged-de-olivier-vernon-will-be-giant-free-agent-bust

 

[oaken1]

when you look at the stats Vs playing time.... and the fact we had nothing like donkeykong suh in the middle to draw blocks....

Marcus Golden is nearly as productive as Vernon....and should improve between last season and next. Both 6 ft 2 and 260 pounds..

seems like we already have this guy on the roster....as Golden sees more snaps his stats should go up. Vernon has started every game the past two seasons and averaged 7 sacks a season......... Golden started 6 games and got 4 sacks

Not saying Vernon sucks or anything..... was there a major change in the defensive sytem 2 years ago??

Vernon also had 61 total tackles in his 16 starts last season...

Golden had 30 total tackles in his 6 starts.... he did play in 15 games.... but only started 6

I just do not think Vernon is any type of major upgrade over what we have if we are talking pass rusher....and Vernon is really too small to play at DE in our 3-4.... so we would have to play him at LB to keep him on the field.... so

Marcus Golden....

 

[juza76]

We Must find our pass rusher in the draft
Almost impossible get one in free agency

 

[Mitch]

We Must find our pass rusher in the draft
Almost impossible get one in free agency

The problem is----as we saw at the Combine---there is a paucity of speed rushers in this draft.

I don't believe the article at all. Vernon would be a fabulous fit for us and the best option out there.

 

[Lagerfilled]

Vernon is NOT a speed rusher. However, Bruce Irvin can be that guy. In the draft, it's Leonard Floyd or bust.

 

[overseascardfan]

I would think Keim has a plan to solve or at least address the pass rush in FA. He doesn't know who will be there at #29 and he will not trade up and give up draft picks.

I think he goes after Irvin and/or Hali, if he lands one or both then he can really go BPA the whole draft. Hell, if by chance Noah is there at #29 (read there were no HC or GM's that attended his pro day), then take him too as the pass rush really needs that much help.

Say ARZ gets Hali and Irvin (pipe dream) but then they could take BPA at which that could be could be a CB like Kendall Fuller, and let the rest of the draft come to them.

 

[Chopper0080]

Vernon is NOT a speed rusher. However, Bruce Irvin can be that guy. In the draft, it's Leonard Floyd or bust.

Bruce Irvin is not a speed rusher...FYI

 

[Lagerfilled]

Umm, I've got news for you... Almost exact measurables to Von Miller. Check it out: http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/bruce-irvin?id=2532871

 

[overseascardfan]

Bruce Irvin is not a speed rusher...FYI

Why do you keep saying that??? What is your definition of a speed rusher?

He is a speed rusher, all his physical tools and attributes say he is.

 

[Chopper0080]

Umm, I've got news for you... Almost exact measurables to Von Miller. Check it out: http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/bruce-irvin?id=2532871

Doesn't and hasn't translated to the football field. I understand the numbers, that is why the Seahawks drafted him in the first round. He hasn't had much of a role for the Seahawks because it doesn't translate. Guys don't suddenly blossom into speed,edge rushers after 4 or 5 years in the league. Do some research.

 

[Chopper0080]

Why do you keep saying that??? What is your definition of a speed rusher?

He is a speed rusher, all his physical tools and attributes say he is.

Watch the past four or five years of the Seahawks and then come to your conclusions. I find the idea funny that one of the best run organizations in football has sat on an edge/speed rusher for four years rather than playing him. The "Irvin is a speed rusher" is a lazy assumption that was ok to make when he was coming out of college, but not ok after four years of game tapes show you what he is.

 

[Buckybird]

Doesn't and hasn't translated to the football field. I understand the numbers, that is why the Seahawks drafted him in the first round. He hasn't had much of a role for the Seahawks because it doesn't translate. Guys don't suddenly blossom into speed,edge rushers after 4 or 5 years in the league. Do some research.

Irvin isn't a difference maker no doubt.

 

[Veer]

Irvin wouldn't fit as a 3-4 OLB. He can't set the edge at all and rarely gets to the QB despite his explosive burst. However, he could add serious speed we lack at the LB position in general. The price tag will be too high though, we can do much better than that.

 

[cardpa]

This is just my opinion but I think the Cardinals are going to target pass rushing DEs versus pass rushing OLBs.

 

[Veer]

This is just my opinion but I think the Cardinals are going to target pass rushing DEs versus pass rushing OLBs.

When it comes to the draft, I agree. The pool for interior DL is loaded compared to any other position group. While corner and safety may ultimately be BPA when we pick, I think we almost can't go another route than a pass rushing front 7 player, be it OLB, DE, DT or ILB. Without a consistant pass rush we are doomed again come playoff time. We need a pass rusher both in FA and draft, at least.