New Owner - Mat Ishbia

[boisesuns]

I am guessing the presser at the end of this season is going to be far more subdued.

“we’re really not that far away. We’ve got great players, things just didn’t go our way this year.”

 

[95pro]

Mat Ishbia's comments 11 months ago didn't age well.

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he labels his staff as best gm and best coaches

this guy is doing more than just signing checks.

 

[Mainstreet]

he labels his staff as best gm and best coaches

this guy is doing more than just signing checks.

I agree. Mat Ishbia seems to be more involved than just signing checks. The question is, can he take a step back if the Suns replace James Jones as the GM.

 

[Covert Rain]

I just went back and read the boards reaction to that presser... I forgot how totally unhinged that thing was, the takes here were pretty funny.

He's talking a million miles an hour, waiving his hands all over, not an inspiring look.

I am guessing the presser at the end of this season is going to be far more subdued.

There have been a couple unhinged pressers. I remember listening on the radio and the press a couple times now were asking "what was that"?! They need to hire a better communications director. If the media and the fan base is saying WTH? That's a fail.

 

[Bobster]

We got so spoiled with Jerry Colangelo.

He was a great GM, and as owner he knew to listen to the other voices in the organization, and he didn't make panic decisions. There was a rare instance where listening to them burned him (like when MacLeod wanted DJ traded), but his overall record really solid.

 

[Mainstreet]

We got so spoiled with Jerry Colangelo.

He was a great GM, and as owner he knew to listen to the other voices in the organization, and he didn't make panic decisions. There was a rare instance where listening to them burned him (like when MacLeod wanted DJ traded), but his overall record really solid.

There was also the matter of the Suns sending two first round picks to move Tom Gugliotta's contract when he was selling the team.

 

[Bobster]

There was also the matter of the Suns sending two first round picks to move Tom Gugliotta's contract when he was selling the team.

In order to get the flexibility that summer to sign Steve Nash and Quentin Richardson.

 

[Mainstreet]

In order to get the flexibility that summer to sign Steve Nash and Quentin Richardson.

Jerry Colangelo sold the Suns in April 2004. The Suns signed Steve Nash in July 2004.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Jerry Colangelo sold the Suns in April 2004. The Suns signed Steve Nash in July 2004.

And he and his son were still involved with the Suns at this point, especially his son who was GM at the time we signed Nash.

I mean, are you trying to make an argument that Jerry didn’t… forget it. This convo will go nowhere.

 

[Mainstreet]

And he and his son were still involved with the Suns at this point, especially his son who was GM at the time we signed Nash.

I mean, are you trying to make an argument that Jerry didn’t… forget it. This convo will go nowhere.

Robert Sarver purchased the Suns in April of 2004.

There was no way of knowing the Suns would be able to sign Steve Nash in July 2004. Nash gave Mark Cuban the opportunity to match the Suns offer.

 

[Bobster]

Robert Sarver purchased the Suns in April of 2004.

There was no way of knowing the Suns would be able to sign Steve Nash in July 2004. Nash gave Mark Cuban the opportunity to match the Suns offer.

There was a way of knowing that they could get in a position to have some payroll flexibility in the offseason if they unloaded Gugliotta though.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Robert Sarver purchased the Suns in April of 2004.

And Colangelo was still kept on as adviser and his son was still the GM after the sale.

There was no way of knowing the Suns would be able to sign Steve Nash in July 2004. Nash gave Mark Cuban the opportunity to match the Suns offer.

Colangelo made the Googs move that year to open up major cap room because the plan was to go after multiple FA. Nash was apparently who they were targeting considering they reached out at 12:01 am on opening day of FA, which Jerry was a part of, as was his son who was GM.

 

[Cheesebeef]

There was a way of knowing that they could get in a position to have some payroll flexibility in the offseason if they unloaded Gugliotta though.

This. The whole plan going into summer 2004 was having a great young nucleus and being able to go out and sign an impact FA. And Colangelo was still a part of the Suns brain trust along with his son who was GM after the team was sold to Sarver.

 

[Mainstreet]

There was a way of knowing that they could get in a position to have some payroll flexibility in the offseason if they unloaded Gugliotta though.

And Colangelo was still kept on as adviser and his son was still the GM after the sale.



Colangelo made the Googs move that year to open up major cap room because the plan was to go after multiple FA. Nash was apparently who they were targeting considering they reached out at 12:01 am on opening day of FA, which Jerry was a part of, as was his son who was GM.

As I recall it, Jerry Colangelo traded away Tom Gugliotta to make the purchase of the Suns more financially attractive and/or feasible.

It worked out well, that's the main thing. Both things can be true at the same time.

However, the owner was Robert Sarver when the Suns traded for Nash and it wasn't a sure thing.

 

[Cheesebeef]

As I recall it, Jerry Colangelo traded away Tom Gugliotta to make the purchase of the Suns more financially attractive and/or feasible.

It worked out well, that's the main thing. Both things can be true at the same time.

However, the owner was Robert Sarver when the Suns traded for Nash and it wasn't a sure thing.

What are you arguing here? No one’s saying it was a sure thing and we didn’t even trade for him.

 

[GatorAZ]

This. The whole plan going into summer 2004 was having a great young nucleus and being able to go out and sign an impact FA. And Colangelo was still a part of the Suns brain trust along with his son who was GM after the team was sold to Sarver.

If Jerry still had any of say early on we wouldn’t have essentially sold the #7 pick that year. I think Bryan was hanging on by a thread when Sarver took over. Hence him leaving a contender for Toronto the next year.

 

[Hoop Head]

There was a way of knowing that they could get in a position to have some payroll flexibility in the offseason if they unloaded Gugliotta though.

Gugliotta was expiring. The Suns unloaded him to lower the payroll in 2003-04 season, it had nothing to do with cap space as his deal was coming off the books that summer. It was 100% financially motivated to unload him and not to free up money elsewhere.

 

[Raindog]

Gugliotta was expiring. The Suns unloaded him to lower the payroll in 2003-04 season, it had nothing to do with cap space as his deal was coming off the books that summer. It was 100% financially motivated to unload him and not to free up money elsewhere.

But you can probably guess at whose request that was.

 

[Mainstreet]

The Ishbia brothers, Justin and Mat, are now listed as co-owners of the Chicago White Sox after increasing their shares in the team.

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[Phrazbit]

The Ishbia brothers, Justin and Mat, are now listed as co-owners of the Chicago White Sox after increasing their shares in the team.

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Better sport for them, in baseball you CAN just throw money at the problem.

 

[Covert Rain]

Better sport for them, in baseball you CAN just throw money at the problem.

I think you can in the NBA as well but just to a smaller extent. We have have seen what penny pinching in the NBA also accomplishes.