Suns 2024-2025 Season Discussions

[TJ]

If the Suns maintain their status quo (I'm not referring to only the Jimmy Butler trade rumor) I'm going to be extremely disappointed.

The Suns problems are much bigger than the return of a star player.

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I don’t think Gerald has any meaningful sources in the franchise. Gambo is far more connected

 

[Covert Rain]

Where did he confirm that Miami wants our trash?

He did not. He confirmed that from Butler's side of the house the Suns are high on his list. He was struggling a bit to determine why Miami might want to take this deal other than the fact they may get nothing from Butler next season and might want something in return. I would think the other teams on Butler's list can offer more then the Suns. The only way I see this happening is if Butler says "I am only going to the Suns".

 

[Mainstreet]

Where did he confirm that Miami wants our trash?

I don't think anyone has said Miami wants Beal. Actually, Gambo said the opposite in 2023.

IMO, the Suns would have to add assets like a first round pick or get another team involved to make it happen.

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[Covert Rain]

I don't think anyone has said Miami wants Beal. Actually, Gambo said the opposite in 2023.

IMO, the Suns would have to add assets like a first round pick or get another team involved to make it happen.

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That's why I don't think this happens. Gambo just said that 2031 pick is not going to get traded for an asset that won't be here when it comes up. It appears this would be highly dependent on a 3rd team getting involved.

 

[Mainstreet]

I don’t think Gerald has any meaningful sources in the franchise. Gambo is far more connected

I agree, unless it's Flex.

My bookmarks in priority are Shams, Gambo and Gerald.

 

[Covert Rain]

By the way, Gambo is also under the belief that the Suns want to see another run with the Big 3 before evaluating any trade. So, sounds like any move would be towards the end of the trade deadline anyway. Not sure if that is what he is being told or what he believes.

 

[Mainstreet]

That's why I don't think this happens. Gambo just said that 2031 pick is not going to get traded for an asset that won't be here when it comes up. It appears this would be highly dependent on a 3rd team getting involved.

There is something that gave this trade rumor some legs. Unfortunately, we don't know all the details.

 

[Hoop Head]

This is true. I'm so happy the Suns forum has an insider at the Waffle House.

He's busy working the Obi Toppin/Grayson Allen swap we asked for. Let him be for now. That's much more likely than Jimmy Butler as a Sun.

 

[Superbone]

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[Mainstreet]

By the way, Gambo is also under the belief that the Suns want to see another run with the Big 3 before evaluating any trade. So, sounds like any move would be towards the end of the trade deadline anyway. Not sure if that is what he is being told or what he believes.

Even if the Suns string a bunch of wins together, we know there is a problem with the interior defense. It's not going away. The Big 3 doesn't solve this issue.

Maybe the Suns want to see who becomes available in trade before making a decision.

 

[Hoop Head]

There is something that gave this trade rumor some legs. Unfortunately, we don't know all the details.

I'm afraid I might know and it doesn't involve Beal. I don't want to say it and put that negativity into the universe but pretty easy to read between the lines since I've theorized Beal and KD for Butler openly.

I'd be vehemently against that other route without a bounty of draft picks coming with Butler. A Nets sized bundle of picks.

 

[Covert Rain]

Even if the Suns string a bunch of wins together, we know there is a problem with the interior defense. It's not going away. The Big 3 doesn't solve this issue.

Maybe the Suns want to see who becomes available in trade before making a decision.

I am with you on that but evidently that is not what the Suns think.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm afraid I might know and it doesn't involve Beal. I don't want to say it and put that negativity into the universe but pretty easy to read between the lines since I've theorized Beal and KD for Butler openly.

I'd be vehemently against that other route without a bounty of draft picks coming with Butler. A Nets sized bundle of picks.

At this point in time, I'm willing to consider all the trade options, including any one of the Big 3.

I think the Suns opened this can of worms when they traded for Durant and then followed it up with the trade for Beal.

 

[Mainstreet]

I am with you on that but evidently that is not what the Suns think.

If the Suns front office doesn't realize the problem, they better hire another GM in a hurry.

Personally, I think they are trying to downplay the urgency.

 

[Proximo]

If the Suns front office doesn't realize the problem, they better hire another GM in a hurry.

Personally, I think they are trying to downplay the urgency.

Wishful thinking.

Ishbia is in denial.

 

[Covert Rain]

If the Suns front office doesn't realize the problem, they better hire another GM in a hurry.

Personally, I think they are trying to downplay the urgency.

To be fair, their record was good before the injuries. They may want to legitimately gauge whether a small trade verses a bigger trade is needed. Not that I agree.

 

[95pro]

I'm afraid I might know and it doesn't involve Beal. I don't want to say it and put that negativity into the universe but pretty easy to read between the lines since I've theorized Beal and KD for Butler openly.

I'd be vehemently against that other route without a bounty of draft picks coming with Butler. A Nets sized bundle of picks.

You really expect Ishbia to admit that the KD trade was a failure by trading KD?

I think they would be willing to admit that Beal isn't a great fit here more than hey, we gave up a ton for KD and it isn't just going to work out after 1.5 years so see you KD.

 

[95pro]

To be fair, their record was good before the injuries. They may want to legitimately gauge whether a small trade verses a bigger trade is needed. Not that I agree.

Our margins for winning were slim though.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Wishful thinking.

Ishbia is in denial.

No doubt Ishbia is in denial if he wants one more run of this “Big 3”… but so are you if you think the Heat would actually want Beal, with his injuries and odious contract for Butler.

If we’re getting Butler for Beal, you can be your ass we’re throwing in even more future first round picks. And for what? To win a couple more games in the regular and not get swept in the playoffs, but still be a first round spoiler at best?

Pass. We screwed the pooch with the KD trade. Continuing to throw first round picks at the problem, with guys in their mid-30s no less, is the definition of insanity.

 

[Mainstreet]

To be fair, their record was good before the injuries. They may want to legitimately gauge whether a small trade verses a bigger trade is needed. Not that I agree.

The Suns record was previously good, but their weakness remains and is exposed. Reeling off another winning streak doesn't change things.

I'm not opposed to a smaller trade, so long as the Suns fix their interior defense.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Our margins for winning were slim though.

Yup… and that team built that record on decent enough health for the first 10 games… which just absolutely can not be counted on.

 

[Covert Rain]

The Suns record was good, but their weakness remains and is exposed. Reeling off another winning streak doesn't change things.

I'm not opposed to a smaller trade, so long as the Suns fix their interior defense.

We are in agreement but it appears the Suns are not convinced which is scary in itself if true.

 

[GatorAZ]

I'm afraid I might know and it doesn't involve Beal. I don't want to say it and put that negativity into the universe but pretty easy to read between the lines since I've theorized Beal and KD for Butler openly.

I'd be vehemently against that other route without a bounty of draft picks coming with Butler. A Nets sized bundle of picks.

Miami has future picks sent out so they’re kinda limited when it comes to sending out a bounty. KD/Bam would be nice though.

 

[GatorAZ]

Wishful thinking.

Ishbia is in denial.

Denial can disappear quickly when you’re dropping record luxury tax bills for first rd fodder. Life comes at you fast as they say.

 

[Covert Rain]

Denial can disappear quickly when you’re dropping record luxury tax bills for first rd fodder. Life comes at you fast as they say.

Ishbia is a shrewd business man. He doesn't strike me as the type of guy that wastes money on "fodder". That's why I think the team legitimately thinks they still have a shot and want to tread lightly until they think they don't. If Ishbia didn't believe it? I have no doubt he would be making moves.