Suns 2024-2025 Season Discussions

[Cheesebeef]

This seems to be the pattern.



Jimmy Butler can play multiple positions, including power forward.

Jimmy Butler is NOT a PF.

 

[Ronin]

Suns have made their bed. Now they need to lay in it

The Phoenix Suns appear to be scrambling to fix their roster, but the damage has likely been done. They've got to roll with what they have.

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[elindholm]

Suns have made their bed. Now they need to lay in it

The Phoenix Suns appear to be scrambling to fix their roster, but the damage has likely been done. They've got to roll with what they have.

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"'Everyone knows about the Stepien Rule (that limits how many first-round picks a team can trade),' one executive told ESPN’s Brian Windhorst. 'I don’t know how this is all going to play out, but depending on how that KD trade ends up, there might be an ‘Ishbia Rule’ proposed where new owners can’t make a trade for six months after buying the team.'"

Ha, I'm pretty sure I made exactly this prediction within the past year or so.

 

[Phrazbit]

Trading for Butler and extending Durant wouldn’t extend the window, it’s already closed. This team will not win a title, they won’t contend for one, they are a borderline play in team.

Butler, another ISO mid range guy who misses huge chunks of the season and burns bridges with every team he plays for. Awesome.

 

[Ronin]

Bill Simmons: 'The whole league is annoyed by the Suns'

Bill Simmons speaks on Bradley Beal and Jusuf Nurkic attempted trades along with why the Suns could have the worst Big Three.

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[Proximo]

we lost 8 out of 10 games before going nurkless - did you miss all that? did you block it all out? i would totally understand - ive tried too

That was better competition - and to be honest I take close wins or losses to the worst in the league far harder than losses to teams that are better than us.

 

[Proximo]

Trading for Butler and extending Durant wouldn’t extend the window, it’s already closed. This team will not win a title, they won’t contend for one, they are a borderline play in team.

Butler, another ISO mid range guy who misses huge chunks of the season and burns bridges with every team he plays for. Awesome.

Absolutely. There is no chance we are winning anything with KD as our best player.

He demands the ball to ISO, and he is not good enough of an ISO player that we can outplay a good passing team with lots of shooters.

 

[Proximo]

it would be dumbest move ever

I am sure it is true, and yes that alone would be pretty stupid, but it's going to get worse. That isn't enough to make the deal so they probably end up trading someone else like Tyus or Grayson for more picks to do that deal and screw us over with that super overpaid deteriorating malcontent.

 

[ProdigalSun]

Gosh this team is so depressing. I miss the good old days when we were decent and full of hope and there was a chance of flashing ( )( ) in the post game shows...
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[Ronin]

Evan Sidery

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If the Suns decide to trade their 2031 first-round pick, it would likely be in a different deal where they can recoup future draft capital, per
@Gambo987
.Currently, Phoenix only has two picks eligible to be traded over the next six years: 2025 2nd (via Nuggets) + 2031 1st

 

[Mainstreet]

Jimmy Butler is NOT a PF.

Saying Butler can't play power forward doesn't make it so.

Note the height and weight per Basketball Reference:

Position: Small Forward, Shooting Guard, and Power Forward ▪ Shoots: Right

6-7, 230lb (201cm, 104kg)

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Checkout the latest stats of Jimmy Butler. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, draft status, shoots, school and more on Basketball-Reference.com

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[Hoop Head]

Saying Butler can't play power forward doesn't make it so.

Note the height and weight per Basketball Reference:

Position: Small Forward, Shooting Guard, and Power Forward ▪ Shoots: Right

6-7, 230lb (201cm, 104kg)

Jimmy Butler Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft Status and more | Basketball-Reference.com

Checkout the latest stats of Jimmy Butler. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, draft status, shoots, school and more on Basketball-Reference.com

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He's not an ideal PF but he's more of a PF than KD is in terms of play style. Butler isn't afraid to mix it up inside. He was also the PF for the Heat most of his tenure here.

 

[Mainstreet]

Jimmy Butler is back.

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[Mainstreet]

He's not an ideal PF but he's more of a PF than KD is in terms of play style. Butler isn't afraid to mix it up inside. He was also the PF for the Heat most of his tenure here.

Fans shouldn't get hung up on position labels. They are almost meaningless.

However, it allows us to talk about what a player does on the court. A lot of players can play more than one position.

 

[Hoop Head]

Fans shouldn't get hung up on position labels. They are almost meaningless.

However, it allows us to talk about what a player does on the court. A lot of players can play more than one position.

I agree to an extent. He's not the PF I'd like but starting him alongside KD, Booker, Tyus, and Richards would be fine. I'd prefer a more traditional PF who can also play small ball Center like a Dario Saric, Amare, Diaw type of player. I say those 3 because Suns fans should be familiar with them and they all brought different things to the table as well. Butler isn't a traditional PF but neither is Ryan Dunn yet here we are starting Dunn so quibbling over Butler's position doesn't make sense at this point.

All that said I'm not excited about the prospect of re-signing Butler to run with KD for the next 2 years though so I'd rather stay away from a deal for him that isn't a straight swap of KD for Butler, even if we don't receive picks in return. It would allow us to free up finances sooner and remove the tumor that is KD from this team. Even if Butler is extended I'd be in favor simply because he plays harder than KD and has been the leader on more successful teams as well. I think that would help right the ship here but we'd still be off course but to a lesser degree.

 

[Mainstreet]

I agree to an extent. He's not the PF I'd like but starting him alongside KD, Booker, Tyus, and Richards would be fine. I'd prefer a more traditional PF who can also play small ball Center like a Dario Saric, Amare, Diaw type of player. I say those 3 because Suns fans should be familiar with them and they all brought different things to the table as well. Butler isn't a traditional PF but neither is Ryan Dunn yet here we are starting Dunn so quibbling over Butler's position doesn't make sense at this point.

All that said I'm not excited about the prospect of re-signing Butler to run with KD for the next 2 years though so I'd rather stay away from a deal for him that isn't a straight swap of KD for Butler, even if we don't receive picks in return. It would allow us to free up finances sooner and remove the tumor that is KD from this team. Even if Butler is extended I'd be in favor simply because he plays harder than KD and has been the leader on more successful teams as well. I think that would help right the ship here but we'd still be off course but to a lesser degree.

I'm definitely not locked into a trade for Butler. IMO, Durant is a better fit for the Suns than Butler. The Suns need more size, not less.

When I toyed with the idea of trading Durant for Butler, I was counting on getting at least a couple of first round picks in return to restock the team for the future. Without that, I left the idea alone and moved on.

Now if Beal could be traded for Butler, it makes more sense, because the Suns would get bigger.

 

[hcsilla]

Now if Beal could be traded for Butler, it makes more sense, because the Suns would get bigger.

Yes, but then Dunn would be benched (unless Bud intends to go small with Jones/Booker/Butler/Dunn/Durant or perhaps Jones gets benched especially if he continues to be lost in scoring) and we sacrifice defense and hustle for another iso-heavy "star".

I'm starting to cool off a bit regarding acquiring Butler.

 

[Proximo]

A Butler acquisition is clearly stupid.

You do not sign a 35 year old to a max multi year deal, unless they are a top 10 player all time. Butler is a fringe all star that has a much higher opinion of himself than is justified, which is why he ends up forcing himself off of every team in 2 to 3 years.

Butler is no great shooter, which means loss of athleticism due to age is going to hit his effectiveness much faster than someone like KD.

Beal even though he does not fit the Suns is a better asset, and you will not change my mind about it. The only reason a deal for Butler would make any sense is if it was a one year move, and then a salary dump.

 

[Superbone]

A Butler acquisition is clearly stupid.

You do not sign a 35 year old to a max multi year deal, unless they are a top 10 player all time. Butler is a fringe all star that has a much higher opinion of himself than is justified, which is why he ends up forcing himself off of every team in 2 to 3 years.

Butler is no great shooter, which means loss of athleticism due to age is going to hit his effectiveness much faster than someone like KD.

Beal even though he does not fit the Suns is a better asset, and you will not change my mind about it. The only reason a deal for Butler would make any sense is if it was a one year move, and then a salary dump.

Then consider it done.

 

[Mainstreet]

Bill Simmons: 'The whole league is annoyed by the Suns'

Bill Simmons speaks on Bradley Beal and Jusuf Nurkic attempted trades along with why the Suns could have the worst Big Three.

arizonasports.com

Pat,

we have Mat Ishbia on the line again.

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[Ronin]

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[Superbone]

He'd move up a lot faster if he didn't seem to miss one of two regularly these days.

 

[Ronin]

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[Covert Rain]

Saying Butler can't play power forward doesn't make it so.

Note the height and weight per Basketball Reference:

Position: Small Forward, Shooting Guard, and Power Forward ▪ Shoots: Right

6-7, 230lb (201cm, 104kg)

Jimmy Butler Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft Status and more | Basketball-Reference.com

Checkout the latest stats of Jimmy Butler. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, draft status, shoots, school and more on Basketball-Reference.com

www.basketball-reference.com

Comparing size, weight and height means almost nothing unless you are comparing a PG to a center. Guys have different skill sets and unless a rookie that isn’t likely to change. There are so many examples in the NBA. You can just look at a player and say oh he can play X. Short stretches maybe but not full time.

 

[Ronin]

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