Suns 2024-2025 Season Discussions

[AzStevenCal]

team hasn't been worse since nurk's been out - it's been slightly better - but we still suck and aren't relevant - and idgaf about schedule strength in the nba - it's not like the nfl - but again it doesn't matter because we suck - that's my analysis

I think, when fully healthy and with our new big man integrated, we'll play like a pretty good team - one that could win close to 50 games if they had a full season. So, IMO we do not suck. It's just that even in the best of circumstances, we're likely to be closer to mediocrity than greatness. And it's scary to think that we could well be looking back a decade from now and calling this the good ol' days.

 

[Proximo]

team hasn't been worse since nurk's been out - it's been slightly better - but we still suck and aren't relevant - and idgaf about schedule strength in the nba - it's not like the nfl - but again it doesn't matter because we suck - that's my analysis

I don't think it's been better at all.

They went 1-1 against the Hornets, 1-1 against the Hawks, barely squeaked a win out of the Wizards game, beat the Jazz, beat Philly without Embid, lost to Indy and Memphis.

That is a freaking easy schedule - the easiest stretch of the entire season and they only went 5-4. Strength of schedule is actually more important than the NFL.

If they can't make up ground with that schedule, they plain are not going to make up ground. This team is not making the playoffs.

 

[BirdGangThing]

I think, when fully healthy and with our new big man integrated, we'll play like a pretty good team - one that could win close to 50 games if they had a full season. So, IMO we do not suck. It's just that even in the best of circumstances, we're likely to be closer to mediocrity than greatness. And it's scary to think that we could well be looking back a decade from now and calling this the good ol' days.

we also have not one but two interns on the court - often at the same time - i think that combo will only improve but oso got me a lil worried

it was obvious bud told the rookies to focus on rebounds last night - both tried - oso is bigger but dunn just has some weird tracking ability - way better than the the post office - while oso struggles to get in position

i think im ready for some oso at power forward

 

[BirdGangThing]

I don't think it's been better at all.

They went 1-1 against the Hornets, 1-1 against the Hawks, barely squeaked a win out of the Wizards game, beat the Jazz, beat Philly without Embid, lost to Indy and Memphis.

That is a freaking easy schedule - the easiest stretch of the entire season and they only went 5-4. Strength of schedule is actually more important than the NFL.

If they can't make up ground with that schedule, they plain are not going to make up ground. This team is not making the playoffs.

we lost 8 out of 10 games before going nurkless - did you miss all that? did you block it all out? i would totally understand - ive tried too

 

[Mainstreet]

How accurate this information is, I have no idea.

Supposedly, the Suns are open to trading their 2031 first-round pick in a trade for Jimmy Butler.

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[BirdGangThing]

How accurate this information is, I have no idea.

Supposedly, the Suns are open to trading their 2031 first-round pick in a trade for Jimmy Butler.

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it would be dumbest move ever

 

[Mainstreet]

it would be dumbest move ever

I think the current Suns ownership and GM have already made worse moves. A devil's advocate would ask, why stop now?

If somehow, the Suns could trade for Butler and keep Booker/Durant, they will have added the power forward and center they so desperately needed.

The Suns look to be playing for a 2-3 year championship window.

 

[elindholm]

I think the current Suns ownership and GM have already made worse moves. A devil's advocate would ask, why stop now?

Indeed, some on this board were saying the same thing a few months ago, pointing out that the Suns will always be able to make more moves by trading picks that are farther and farther into the future.

If somehow, the Suns could trade for Butler and keep Booker/Durant, they will have added the power forward and center they so desperately needed.

Huh? Who's the power forward?

The Suns look to be playing for a 2-3 year championship window.

Except that the 2-3 year window started 2.5 years ago.

 

[AzStevenCal]

it would be dumbest move ever

Nah, we already made the dumbest move ever. This would just be a garden variety dumb move although if we include Dunn in the deal that would move it to epic status.

 

[Mainstreet]

Indeed, some on this board were saying the same thing a few months ago, pointing out that the Suns will always be able to make more moves by trading picks that are farther and farther into the future.

This seems to be the pattern.

Huh? Who's the power forward?

Jimmy Butler can play multiple positions, including power forward.

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Except that the 2-3 year window started 2.5 years ago.

If the Suns extend Durant for two years, they would be planning for a longer window. It would be this season through the 2026/27 season, when Beal's contract expires, or likely to coincide with a new contract for Butler expiring.

 

[boisesuns]

This all has a “backcourt 2000” feel to it

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[Cheesebeef]

This seems to be the pattern.



Jimmy Butler can play multiple positions, including power forward.

Jimmy Butler is NOT a PF.

 

[Ronin]

Suns have made their bed. Now they need to lay in it

The Phoenix Suns appear to be scrambling to fix their roster, but the damage has likely been done. They've got to roll with what they have.

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[elindholm]

Suns have made their bed. Now they need to lay in it

The Phoenix Suns appear to be scrambling to fix their roster, but the damage has likely been done. They've got to roll with what they have.

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"'Everyone knows about the Stepien Rule (that limits how many first-round picks a team can trade),' one executive told ESPN’s Brian Windhorst. 'I don’t know how this is all going to play out, but depending on how that KD trade ends up, there might be an ‘Ishbia Rule’ proposed where new owners can’t make a trade for six months after buying the team.'"

Ha, I'm pretty sure I made exactly this prediction within the past year or so.

 

[Phrazbit]

Trading for Butler and extending Durant wouldn’t extend the window, it’s already closed. This team will not win a title, they won’t contend for one, they are a borderline play in team.

Butler, another ISO mid range guy who misses huge chunks of the season and burns bridges with every team he plays for. Awesome.

 

[Ronin]

Bill Simmons: 'The whole league is annoyed by the Suns'

Bill Simmons speaks on Bradley Beal and Jusuf Nurkic attempted trades along with why the Suns could have the worst Big Three.

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[Proximo]

we lost 8 out of 10 games before going nurkless - did you miss all that? did you block it all out? i would totally understand - ive tried too

That was better competition - and to be honest I take close wins or losses to the worst in the league far harder than losses to teams that are better than us.

 

[Proximo]

Trading for Butler and extending Durant wouldn’t extend the window, it’s already closed. This team will not win a title, they won’t contend for one, they are a borderline play in team.

Butler, another ISO mid range guy who misses huge chunks of the season and burns bridges with every team he plays for. Awesome.

Absolutely. There is no chance we are winning anything with KD as our best player.

He demands the ball to ISO, and he is not good enough of an ISO player that we can outplay a good passing team with lots of shooters.

 

[Proximo]

it would be dumbest move ever

I am sure it is true, and yes that alone would be pretty stupid, but it's going to get worse. That isn't enough to make the deal so they probably end up trading someone else like Tyus or Grayson for more picks to do that deal and screw us over with that super overpaid deteriorating malcontent.