Suns 2024-2025 Season Discussions

[Hoop Head]

Fans shouldn't get hung up on position labels. They are almost meaningless.

However, it allows us to talk about what a player does on the court. A lot of players can play more than one position.

I agree to an extent. He's not the PF I'd like but starting him alongside KD, Booker, Tyus, and Richards would be fine. I'd prefer a more traditional PF who can also play small ball Center like a Dario Saric, Amare, Diaw type of player. I say those 3 because Suns fans should be familiar with them and they all brought different things to the table as well. Butler isn't a traditional PF but neither is Ryan Dunn yet here we are starting Dunn so quibbling over Butler's position doesn't make sense at this point.

All that said I'm not excited about the prospect of re-signing Butler to run with KD for the next 2 years though so I'd rather stay away from a deal for him that isn't a straight swap of KD for Butler, even if we don't receive picks in return. It would allow us to free up finances sooner and remove the tumor that is KD from this team. Even if Butler is extended I'd be in favor simply because he plays harder than KD and has been the leader on more successful teams as well. I think that would help right the ship here but we'd still be off course but to a lesser degree.

 

[Mainstreet]

I agree to an extent. He's not the PF I'd like but starting him alongside KD, Booker, Tyus, and Richards would be fine. I'd prefer a more traditional PF who can also play small ball Center like a Dario Saric, Amare, Diaw type of player. I say those 3 because Suns fans should be familiar with them and they all brought different things to the table as well. Butler isn't a traditional PF but neither is Ryan Dunn yet here we are starting Dunn so quibbling over Butler's position doesn't make sense at this point.

All that said I'm not excited about the prospect of re-signing Butler to run with KD for the next 2 years though so I'd rather stay away from a deal for him that isn't a straight swap of KD for Butler, even if we don't receive picks in return. It would allow us to free up finances sooner and remove the tumor that is KD from this team. Even if Butler is extended I'd be in favor simply because he plays harder than KD and has been the leader on more successful teams as well. I think that would help right the ship here but we'd still be off course but to a lesser degree.

I'm definitely not locked into a trade for Butler. IMO, Durant is a better fit for the Suns than Butler. The Suns need more size, not less.

When I toyed with the idea of trading Durant for Butler, I was counting on getting at least a couple of first round picks in return to restock the team for the future. Without that, I left the idea alone and moved on.

Now if Beal could be traded for Butler, it makes more sense, because the Suns would get bigger.

 

[hcsilla]

Now if Beal could be traded for Butler, it makes more sense, because the Suns would get bigger.

Yes, but then Dunn would be benched (unless Bud intends to go small with Jones/Booker/Butler/Dunn/Durant or perhaps Jones gets benched especially if he continues to be lost in scoring) and we sacrifice defense and hustle for another iso-heavy "star".

I'm starting to cool of a bit regarding acquiring Butler.

 

[Proximo]

A Butler acquisition is clearly stupid.

You do not sign a 35 year old to a max multi year deal, unless they are a top 10 player all time. Butler is a fringe all star that has a much higher opinion of himself than is justified, which is why he ends up forcing himself off of every team in 2 to 3 years.

Butler is no great shooter, which means loss of athleticism due to age is going to hit his effectiveness much faster than someone like KD.

Beal even though he does not fit the Suns is a better asset, and you will not change my mind about it. The only reason a deal for Butler would make any sense is if it was a one year move, and then a salary dump.

 

[Superbone]

A Butler acquisition is clearly stupid.

You do not sign a 35 year old to a max multi year deal, unless they are a top 10 player all time. Butler is a fringe all star that has a much higher opinion of himself than is justified, which is why he ends up forcing himself off of every team in 2 to 3 years.

Butler is no great shooter, which means loss of athleticism due to age is going to hit his effectiveness much faster than someone like KD.

Beal even though he does not fit the Suns is a better asset, and you will not change my mind about it. The only reason a deal for Butler would make any sense is if it was a one year move, and then a salary dump.

Then consider it done.

 

[Mainstreet]

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Pat,

we have Mat Ishbia on the line again.

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