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    The 2024 NBA playoffs thread

    Watching the OKC-Mavs game, when OKC switched to small lineup wanting to bank on their 3pt shooting, they failed. You cannot win in this league just banking on your own shooting, anymore. You need defense first.
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    2024 NBA Draft talk: Suns own pick 22

    Camara proved in summer league plays that he understood the game very well on both sides and already an excellent all-around defender and great rebounder. Blazers would start him until injury showed that Bilups shared the assessment. Apparently JJ and Vogel shared the philosophy to only play...
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    2024 NBA Draft talk: Suns own pick 22

    They had that in Camara but gave him away as throwin in the Ayton trade. :rolleyes:
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    Mike Budenholzer - Officially Suns new Head Coach

    It sounds like Bud is a lot like Monty, but luckier when they met in the finals. Both are good regular season coach but poor at adjustments that crucial postseason. In regular season, it's more about average performance. CP3 guarantees his team a lower level. But in POs, what works in regular...
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    Vogel Fired

    It sounds like Bud is a lot like Monty, but luckier when they met in the finals. Both are good regular season coach but poor at adjustments that crucial postseason. In regular season, it's more about average performance. CP3 guarantees his team a lower level. But in POs, what works in regular...
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    Can we blame Vogel?

    Vogel says the fine words and his plan to play with the big-3 apparently met mgt's inept vision. Toppin went for 2 2nd-rounders who has about same salary of Payne but would be the ideal running mate for KD; not to mention Oubre and DJones for min, and Bitadzi or Theis later. These players are...
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    Suns 2024-2025 Season Discussions

    Royce would not be in the 8-man rotation in any of the remaining PO teams. He is not athletic or tall enough nor good shooting enough, but has vet savvy going for him. A poorman's Crowder. I'd not sign him more than 8 mil per, and don't believe he has better offers elsewhere. Also, not worried...
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    The 2024 NBA playoffs thread

    Brunson is always playing the right way, never forcing it to try heroics too hard. His 50pts + 10 3s game against us was a perfect example. In contrast, we tried to force it to Allen and Book in several games in quest of breaking some of their records. He'd abuse our team single-handedly if...
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    The 2024 NBA playoffs thread

    OKC has endless young and athletic players who can defend and are confident to shoot and drive. They developed that for 2-3 years now.
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    Suns updates and discussion for the 2023-24 season

    Presumed that JO were no use on offense other than parking at the 3pt line
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    Suns updates and discussion for the 2023-24 season

    That's nonsense. He is the same player, Vogel's game plan made him unplayable, maybe listening to fans who claim we could not play an elite defender without a good 3pt shot.:rolleyes:
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    Suns 2024-2025 Season Discussions

    It's more about the game concept. With NBA allowing a lot more physicality now, add an athletic PF may have priority, to make defense better overall.
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    The 2024 NBA playoffs thread

    This MIN team plays nasty defense with passion and smarts. KD and Book faced similar tight defense throughout the regular season but we never seemed to handle it good enough, nor tried to practise similar defense on our part. If they don't change this mentality, with the new NBA direction to...
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    The 2024 NBA playoffs thread

    Around 10' in the 2nd qrt, Murray stopped dribble just past the midline, the double teaming by McD and Alex-Walker gave him no chance to pass out for like 10 sec; ending in 24" violation. I recall we also got Ant doubled similarly but failed to be tight and aggressive enough to achieve the same...
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    The 2024 NBA playoffs thread

    Both teams play tough defense and have every player confident to shoot the ball without the Suns type of big-3 vs role players discrimination. None of our rotation players match any of Ind/NY players' defensive intensity, not in regular season games nor in the playoffs. Only Okogie may contain...
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    Suns 2024-2025 Season Discussions

    Fully agree! Vogel's idea was to trust the scoring power of big-3 and Allen with a ultra short rotation, which ran big-3 into ground and made Allen second guessing himself after missing a couple 3pt shots. It's a youth and athleticism game particularly in the POs. We need have fresh legs and...
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    Suns updates and discussion for the 2023-24 season

    It's crazy to think Clippers would do Harden for Beal s and trade. They need a PG too.
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    Timberwolves @ Suns Sunday Playoff game thread 4-28-2024 - Game 4

    Agree. Beal was the guy who openly said he'd do anything to help team win, and he followed that with his play in the last 30some games when healthy. But in game 4, he had seen enough from Vogel to know anything he and his teammates on the court did would have be in vain. On D, just put KD on...
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    The 2024 NBA playoffs thread

    And Hart, DiVincinzo, etc. to add to the list. For min. players, we missed out on Oubre, Derrick Jones in the summer but chose KBD and Yuta instead, and believed Goodwin would replace Payne. In contrast, retaining JO for min was not the wrong move, but not playing him more was. If we could...
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    Suns updates and discussion for the 2023-24 season

    Conceptually, it may be right to do it without a true PG. Phil Jackson's championship teams never had one. But you have to have better systems to make the offense work, and to defend well enought like MJ's Bulls team. And it'd be at least better to have SG/SM with a PG passing skill like Harden...
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    Suns updates and discussion for the 2023-24 season

    This means, all decisions will be made later, but the status quo is that the core is back.:D
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    Devin Booker is the greatest player EVER in Suns history

    Under pressure, Book picks up his dribble way too early, and our team never seems to have worked on proper actions to punish double teams like Ant repeatedly showed in our series. Shooting 3s: he should practise a lot making them with a hand over his face, the way Doncic shows us in warm-ups...
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    Do Suns blow it up?

    Maybe Hawks would move Trae Young for Beal. I read somewhere that Lakers were interested in Trae, maybe a 3-way with Russell, Hachimura, Vincent coming to Suns would work.
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    Can we blame Vogel?

    Vogel can only coach and play the game in certain ways, his excuse is the roster was constructed so that this was all he could produce. But the Suns are limited in potential roster moves, so we need a coach that has vision and is willing to adapt game plan to make better use of the roster, like...
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    Can we blame Vogel?

    Vogel should've been desperate after the very 1st game and brought reserves Okogie, Little and Roddy in, who are at least young enough and athletic enough to match Wolves' defense intensity. We broke down in every 2nd half of the series, due mainly to fatique of starters under on-court energetic...

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