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    Hypothetical: Murray Slides

    Here's the thing tho... No one was talking about Murray going #1 until the KK stuff. No one was talking about Murray being the first QB drafted in fact. All of this hype really centers around our hire of KK. If Cards (or trade partner) don't take him #1 I think odds are even money if he is even...
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    Regardless of what we do at #1.. The Cards have done a serious injustice to Rosen

    I don't want us to draft Murray either. I'm just saying I don't think Josh is worried that his football life hangs in the balance on Murray. Your QB is typically very close with the org at all levels. To think Josh knows as much as we know would be hard to believe. If he doesn't know exactly...
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    Regardless of what we do at #1.. The Cards have done a serious injustice to Rosen

    I think Rosen understands the worst case is he is going to go start for another team or backup under a veteran great. No one is trading us what we want for him to go sit on a practice squad let alone not have plans for him to be their starter if he really has what it takes. He still controls...
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    Kent Somers, Diehard OU fan, Recommends Williams, Keep Rosen

    I just think a #1 on a QB in this draft is a reach. As much as Im not sold on Rosen being our guy I also like the idea of controlling the variables. If we keep Rosen and he improves we know KK is solid. If we do the exact same then KK isn't all that because even if Rosen isn't a great qb, a...
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    What does Kyler Murray really want!? (Eisen-Klemko interview)

    Plus like others have mentioned, being a QB is much different than RB or D/ST. Rosen is reporting for OTAs right now and training camp is in the middle of the baseball season and then it's preseason. I don't see how a QB can play both sports unless they are playing a small fraction of the games...
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    What does Kyler Murray really want!? (Eisen-Klemko interview)

    Deion playing both sports was one of the biggest dramas in sports at times. Both of his teams were pissed at him at different times, particularly when his baseball team made the post season, despite having understandings about the division of time supposedly worked out in writing or understanding.
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    What does Kyler Murray really want!? (Eisen-Klemko interview)

    Not at all... Bosa isn't going to play baseball if he doesn't get a top pick. He's going to play football no matter what. I don't care if players make decisions on what makes them the most coin. Murray is a liability because not only does he have an exit strategy if the NFL draft doesn't work...
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    Cardinals Memes

    Still my favorite KK tweet.
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    What does Kyler Murray really want!? (Eisen-Klemko interview)

    Rosen got $18M fully guaranteed. You don't think Murray is expecting more than that? Mayfield got $32M guaranteed. Your brand as an NFL QB can be worth more way more from endorsement deals than a guy playing in the minors for who knows how long. When he got a 2nd or 3rd round draft grade...
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    What does Kyler Murray really want!? (Eisen-Klemko interview)

    Nothing, his life his choice. Unfortunately for the team that drafts him though it doesn't come at no cost to them if he changes his mind. If he doesn't go in top 5 then I start to get more worried as a team because if he doesn't get the deal he wants he could end up going back to baseball and...
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    What does Kyler Murray really want!? (Eisen-Klemko interview)

    What he wants is money. Once he realized the NFL could be more lucrative than baseball he flipped.
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    Pro Football Focus has Kyler Murray as highest graded player in draft.

    They have great stats. They get a lot of eye rolls on their grades. I wouldn't put much stock into it. I think it's just as likely Murray falls to mid round in this draft as it is he goes #1 so it should be interesting to see what happens.
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    Josh Rosen speaks on his uncertain future on SI TV

    And to be fair not saying Murray wasn't good, it's just hard to know how much of that was a product of his team. He wasn't lighting the world on fire at A&M. But to be fair, Haskins is on a team full of talent also. I would say less of a gap though in their conference, but OSU typically has more...
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    Josh Rosen speaks on his uncertain future on SI TV

    QBR does not exist in a vacuum. If I have top tier receivers and oline playing against a less talented D I'm going to have a lot better rating than when under duress and with receivers who can't get open.
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    Respect for this organization.

    That's kind of the irony is that the whole reason Keim has the first pick is he did so poorly with his past decisions. I'm not going to indulge the Murray vs Rosen debate because I'm not really high on either of them. What I do know is the Cards in their current situation taking a QB at #1...
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    Rosen vs ASU, Murray vs Texas Tech

    I don't think anyone in the world has ever argued Murray was better than Rosen in college. The stats speak for themselves. NFL is not college and why you often see the top college star QBs sputter in the NFL more often than they become NFL stars. I don't think Rosen is a great QB. I also don't...
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    The Myth That Mobile QBs Don't Take Sacks/Hits

    Murray is no Mike Tolbert. Same height but Tolbert carriers the ball head down with a head of steam and extra 70 pounds of pure muscle and pinballs through defenders. Big difference. Did you see when Murray basically get flung by the lineman who got a his out reached hand on just a piece of the...
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    The Myth That Mobile QBs Don't Take Sacks/Hits

    Why is Wilson consistently top in sacks throughout most his career and not just this year? Why wasn't Rosen top in sacks being a rookie with arguably one of the worst lines, worst scheme and worst receiving Corp in the league? Rosen didn't have a great completion rate but he also didn't just...
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    The Myth That Mobile QBs Don't Take Sacks/Hits

    The data the homers compiled on him suggest his legs don't prevent sacks: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fieldgulls.com/platform/amp/2018/2/24/17047872/seattle-seahawks-qb-russell-wilson-prevent-sacks-scrambling-nfl-average-under-pressure-elusiveness Outside his rookie season (when he was...
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    What Does Kyler Murray Really Want? - SI Article by Robert Klemko

    He was just someone who kept his emotions in check during post pressers and interviews. Palmer was always lighting fires under players asses on the field.
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    The Drums Continue to Beat

    There is something to seeing the more of the field better at height I would think. I haven't seen enough data to say that empirically but one correlation between some of small QBs stats I've looked at is a much larger percentage of their yardage comes on deep throws than their counterparts...
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    The Myth That Mobile QBs Don't Take Sacks/Hits

    I already had to bust the myth that the game has totally gone offense friendly and defense is second fiddle, so let's keep busting more of these intuitions. I keep hearing this argument as a counterpoint to Murray's size - he won't get touched because he is so mobile, being compared to Wilson...
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    The Drums Continue to Beat

    Not sure why anyone is trying to compare KM to Flutie as proof that a short guy can be your franchise QB. Flutie had 3 mostly full seasons in the NFL, one of them resulting in post season but also a ton of picks that year. Flutie may be in the CFL HOF, but Flutie does nothing to validate that...
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    Okla State coach Mike Gundy with awesome comment about Kyler Murray!

    That doesn't mean squat when you match up against the Suh's and Burfict's of the league who have no problem dismantling you on a late hit. I just don't see his scramble being nearly as effective in NFL against disciplined D players who will play contain and can run with him. There was a solid...
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    The conspiracy selection at one

    Nice try but we need to go deeper down the rabbit hole to find the answers you seek. :cheers: Why did the powers at be set SK up with that DUI and how all that all plays into this draft because we can truly understand the motives of who we pick and why. The truth is out there, or at least...

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