'06 Draft and QB's

[john h]

Ferguson from Virginia is the only lineman that I see us taking in the first round of the draft and I don't think that I want to put a rookie left tackle on a line that I plan to contend with. Here is something that we all need to deal with, rookie offensive linemen don't come in and start very regularly. In general they aren't strong enough or ready for the defensive linemen in the NFL. We can replace Oliver Ross, our left guard, and Davis in two years by drafting an o-lineman, but not anything sooner. Draft a DT, FS, MLB, like it or not this is where we can get someone to start right away and make an impact at positions that we need to upgrade at with youth. Offensively, we need o-linemen and a QB but as I said there isn't really any way either of these positions upgrades us right away.

You are right about OL. They really need a year or two to develop before they are effective. Much more so than DL. Ogden is a once ever 5 year exception. I would guess most starting OL in the NFL come from rounds other than #1.

 

[john h]

Russ I agree, I think that Warner can win here and Mike McMahon does nothing for me. Upgrade the lines, add a fast free safety, and select a QB for the future. There really should not be a huge ammount of turnover in this offseason.

Better add a big running back also into this mix. Some guy who can get you 2-3 yards. I think it was Ladanien Tomlinson yesterday that I heard talking and he said their coach set a goal for his RB's to gain 4 yds on every carry. He said that is all he and the other RB's tries to do. If a hole opens he takes it and 4yds then become 20 or 30. I like that approach. Forget trying to take it to the house on every play. Go for 4 and you will keep moving the chains and eventually have that big gain.

 

[john h]

Anyone who wants to draft Olinemen are smoking diapers! I say we draft all other positions[QB 1st if possible] and spend all our FA $ on PROVEN PROFESSIONAL OLINEMEN.. We know that DG knows how to draft, my big question is does he know how to coach those players he drafts? Move LDavis to OG, he's shown us he's too slow to block speed rushers, and I believe he could be a devastating Guard for years!! It's his own problem if it hurts his "pride" to be moved from Tackle.. He's hurting the team now, each and every week!

Much agree that Davis should be moved to OG. Do not understand why they do not do it. His size alone says move me. We move Wakefield a defensive end to OG? Move him to LD's position if that is our only option. Wakefield must be wondering what the hell is going on? He plays everywhere.

 

[john h]

Vince Young if he declares which i think he will.[/QUOTE

I am still not a fan of Vince Young but I have been wrong before and will be wrong again. I still wonder if he will go in Rd 1?

 

[gusmahler]

As of now we're in basically the same draft position as we were last week. We have absolutely no shot at Leinart unless we lose out and even then its 50/50.

If we lose out, that means both SF and Houston gets another win. Later in the season, the Titans play Houston; Saints play Detroit; Packers play Detroit; the Jets also have some winnable games. Plus, you got to factor in the Bush factor--certain teams (probably SF and Houston, maybe GB) would take Bush over Leinart. So a 0-4 finish coupled with some key victories by other teams could put AZ into #2. (#1 is probably out of the question).

 

[spanky1]

If we lose out, that means both SF and Houston gets another win. Later in the season, the Titans play Houston; Saints play Detroit; Packers play Detroit; the Jets also have some winnable games. Plus, you got to factor in the Bush factor--certain teams (probably SF and Houston, maybe GB) would take Bush over Leinart. So a 0-4 finish coupled with some key victories by other teams could put AZ into #2. (#1 is probably out of the question).

We are not "losing out".......IMO, we have four winnable games (SF; Wash; Houston and Philly).

 

[conraddobler]

Wait for Brady Quinn, if he comes out get him if not, draft him next year.

Take the BPA and if at all possible get O line help in the offseason at LT and move Big back to guard. If you can draft an DT run stuffer as BPA or close to it do that or find the best one in FA and get him signed.

Sign Warner to a 3 year deal.

That's about it.

 

[gusmahler]

We are not "losing out".......IMO, we have four winnable games (SF; Wash; Houston and Philly).

I agree. My post was a reply to a post that said, "if we lose out." My point was that, if we do, we could a good draft position. Quite frankly, we probably have 5 winnable games because Indy will be playing for absolutely nothing on New Year's Day. (16-0 would be nice for them (assuming they get to 15-0), but not worth risking an injury to Manning, Edgerrin James, etc.)

 

[john h]

We are not "losing out".......IMO, we have four winnable games (SF; Wash; Houston and Philly).

No way GB would pass on Leinhart with their QB probably playing one more year. Leinhart would be the perfect replacement for their great QB.

 

[dogpoo32]

No way GB would pass on Leinhart with their QB probably playing one more year. Leinhart would be the perfect replacement for their great QB.

Then maybe we would be able to pry away Aaron Rodgers.

 

[az jam]

We won't get Leinart and I don't see Young comming out this year. We will resign Warner (I sure hope) and he will be our starter for the next year and maybe the next two years. I really don't know if the rest of the qbs in the draft are any better than Navarre. I'm not saying he is the answer but his college numbers are as good as any of those comming out. Perhaps after the bowl games and college all star games (senior bowl) someone will emerge that we could go after and get on round two. We shall see

 

[john h]

We won't get Leinart and I don't see Young comming out this year. We will resign Warner (I sure hope) and he will be our starter for the next year and maybe the next two years. I really don't know if the rest of the qbs in the draft are any better than Navarre. I'm not saying he is the answer but his college numbers are as good as any of those comming out. Perhaps after the bowl games and college all star games (senior bowl) someone will emerge that we could go after and get on round two. We shall see

I still see the Georgia QB moving up fast as a pro and going in round 1. Watch him in the GA-LSU championship game (this weekend I think) on natl TV.

 

[Pariah]

I really don't know if the rest of the qbs in the draft are any better than Navarre.

I do. There's a reason he was taken in the 7th Rd and there's a reason the Cards keep him on the bench. He's a career backup, and I suspect his career won't be all that long.

I hope I'm wrong. I hope he ends up being Tom Brady for us, but I just don't see it--and appearently neither do the Cardinals and neither did the rest of the NFL when he was drafted a couple of years ago.

 

[D-Dogg]

I'm going All In with D'Brickashaw.

Grab a QB in the second, Whitehurst maybe.

Grab a DT in the third.

Get some WR help, a bruiser RB and MLB in the other rounds. Try and find a late round gem.

 

[dogpoo32]

I'm going All In with D'Brickashaw.

Grab a QB in the second, Whitehurst maybe.

Grab a DT in the third.

Get some WR help, a bruiser RB and MLB in the other rounds. Try and find a late round gem.

I would be content keeping BJ and LeBron (or just LeBron). We definitely need a RB who will bust some faces (hopefully FA although I don't know any), definitely need a MLB someone smart and speedy to anchor this defense (draft i suppose, unless BJ can be used as a part of some deal) and I am all for the late round gems.

 

[Chopper0080]

If money isn't a concern (which it always is) this is how my offseason goes. Sign Ray Lewis (who wants mroe money than Balitmore wants to pay him) because he is a player who will make everyone around play balls out and has at least 5 years left. Following this, we sign LeCharles Bentley to play LG as their are few LT's out there that are any good and deal with Davis's mental issues. Sign a defensive tackle that can sub in at nose or for Dockett and play decent.

Go to the draft needing to upgrade the secondary, the defensive line, Quarterback, and the offensive line. In the first round go either FS or DT with an emphasis in speed at the former and size at the latter. In round two grab a QB if one falls, if not, don't panic and take the opposite position you took in round 1 or upgrade the oline depth with a potential starter at LG or OT. In the following rounds stick with the plan and get secondary or line players. Get players who will start in two years and replace big money guys liek Davis, Ross, Okeafer and Macklin.

Depth in the secondary and on the offensive/defensive lines is key because their are always injuries here and being weak at these positions can cripple your team.

 

[Stout]

No way GB would pass on Leinhart with their QB probably playing one more year. Leinhart would be the perfect replacement for their great QB.

No way GB drafts Leinart after spending a #1 pick last year on Favre's eventual replacement.

 

[Stout]

I would be content keeping BJ and LeBron (or just LeBron). We definitely need a RB who will bust some faces (hopefully FA although I don't know any), definitely need a MLB someone smart and speedy to anchor this defense (draft i suppose, unless BJ can be used as a part of some deal) and I am all for the late round gems.

Lebron plays in the NBA. LeRon plays for the Cards

 

[CronosCard]

"..And in this corner.."

#1 I still feel that the fastest way to turn around the Cardinals to playoff-worthy next year is in FA getting AT LEAST 2 bigtime olinemen, along with a solid starter/2nd teamer olineman as well; Trade O.Ross for a pair of old cleats[not really], for a draft pick in the upcoming draft-we'll have to pay part of his salary for stupidly paying him so much[thanks Rod Graves!], but maybe we can wiggle a 4-5th rounder.. DEFINITELY move BIG to Left OG, since he works the left side I assume it would be easier for his limited means.. :notworthy what if we could get Culpepper in FA/ GOFORIT!!
#2 Move Rowen back to Oline coach and assistant OCoordinator since his experience in the former will help and he can learn from some WestCoast OC guru[Mooch?] Any other ideas for OC?
#3 Do not draft a OL before the 4th round!!! Can we all say Clement, Shelton, etal.. Don't draft Leinert, because he got plastered by the ASU guy on a blitz[unintentional to the head] and it knocked him out.. He may be a future star in the NFL, but what if as happens he starts getting concussions like that one on a fairly tame hit? The only other QB I know of is Vince Young and I like him!! Phillip Rivers also had serious throwing mechanic problems--I would take Drew Brees before any college QB because he's been there done it!!

#4 Please God have DG draft a BIG FAST RB, like the rookie on the NYG!!
I like Shipp, Arrington, and a third besides JJackson would be great. I feel we should draft 2 more high DB's, ILB, and get a bigtime DT from FA and draft another Darnell Dockett about 4" taller and 20lbs heavier..sigh, if only he can show DD's heart!!

 

[The Commish]

I do. There's a reason he was taken in the 7th Rd and there's a reason the Cards keep him on the bench. He's a career backup, and I suspect his career won't be all that long.

I hope I'm wrong. I hope he ends up being Tom Brady for us, but I just don't see it--and appearently neither do the Cardinals and neither did the rest of the NFL when he was drafted a couple of years ago.

There is also a reason why every Michigan fan hates Navarre and was dancing a jig when he left for the pros.

 

[Southpaw]

I'm going All In with D'Brickashaw.

D'Brickashaw Ferguson was just beat out By Eric Winston for the
"The Jacobs Blocking Trophy" in the ACC.


COLLEGE FOOTBALL

UM's Winston receives honor

Staff and Wire Reports

A little more than a year ago, Eric Winston's football future was uncertain after the University of Miami left tackle tore the anterior cruciate ligament, medial collateral ligament and and posterior collateral ligament of his left knee against Georgia Tech.

The 6-7, 312-pound senior, a Lombardi Award semifinalist who started every game for the 10th-ranked Hurricanes this season, on Monday was awarded the 2005 Jacobs Blocking Trophy, Atlantic Coast Conference commissioner John Swofford announced.

The Jacobs Blocking Trophy has been awarded annually since 1953 to the player voted the most outstanding blocker in the ACC by a poll of the league's defensive coordinators.

Charlie Whitehurst a definite pick but he probably won't last to the 2nd round.

 

[Russ Smith]

Lebron plays in the NBA. LeRon plays for the Cards

If Green calls him LeBron so can we.