#1 or BUST! The O'Mighty DRAFT Thread

[pokerface]

Hsandhu is a prophet, this thread should have been closed. The tank is done, I get trying to repurpose it into a draft lottery thread but it's hard to do that without ignoring the dozens of pages promoting the tank.

Well if people stop talking on it then it goes away...*POOF*

 

[3rdside]

If you knew how bad I run at poker then I have little confidence in statistics. My most recent run of bad luck involved losing 4 all-ins in a row with win %'s in my favour of ~66%, 66%, 56%, and 96%.

Collectively that's about a 0.2% chance of happening.

Losing to two-outers on the river (96% chance of it not happening) seems to happen far more often than statistics would suggest in my experience but in conjunction with the previous 3 bad beats, I am pretty much over the game. Wasn't much good anyway and I did seem to run bad often.

Anything could happen in the draft in other words.

 

[pokerface]

4th pick odds = 31.9, picks 1-3 have a combined 55.8%.

I hate to be a buzzkill but what about #5 odds 12.3%...We have to add that to #4 odds 31.9%...44.2% total chance of not being in the top 3. Yeah its less than 55.8% but not by much.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

If we end up with the 5th pick after all of this, I suggest we draft someone from Adam Silver's family in order to improve our lottery odds going forward.

 

[pokerface]

If we end up with the 5th pick after all of this, I suggest we draft someone from Adam Silver's family in order to improve our lottery odds going forward.

Ahh 5th pick in this draft would still be ok.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

Ahh 5th pick in this draft would still be ok.

Getting the 5th pick in this draft would be a disaster.

We launched a thousand ships looking to get back Helen of Troy.

We used deception and trickery (Trojan horse) to win the war.

But then Helen decides she would rather move to Los Angeles, and we end up in a relationship with her sister, Lauri of Tucson, instead.

Sure, Lauri's great...but she's no Helen. I never would have launched a thousand ships for Lauri, because she is just a rebound relationship...and she can't even rebound.

 

[Yuma]

I hate to be a buzzkill but what about #5 odds 12.3%...We have to add that to #4 odds 31.9%...44.2% total chance of not being in the top 3. Yeah its less than 55.8% but not by much.

I did not because the comp[laint was about the fourth pick odds only! ;-)

 

[Yuma]

I did not because the comp[laint was about the fourth pick odds only! ;-)

Also we eliminated the sixth pick by making it to the second spot. Can you imagine Laker fans if they drop to sixth? Plus the team that gets the Laker pick at 6th!

 

[SweetD]

Maybe we can ask Cleveland fans how this goes? I will gladly take a year that we had to be where Cleveland has gotten.

Plus I feel our team has far more talent to build around. Now there is no LeBron in this draft, but there are some great players to be drafted.

I was one hopeful for loses, but enjoyed the time the youth got to develop vs sitting on the bench and not getting minutes. (Outside of Len)

 

[Chaplin]

I think we better get the #1 pick...There are some wounds that need healing around here.

lol I'll drink to that!

 

[JCSunsfan]

This is gambling, pure and simple. To the team(s) that win, its great, do it again. To those that lose, bitterness and conspiracy theories.

 

[chickenhead]

Jeff Van Gundy is on Lowe's recent podcast being highly critical of teams resting players: either for playoff prep or tanking. Draws a hard line that the teams and players have an obligation to do their best for the fans every night. I think it's a naive sentiment – but may be simply that he's a former coach (where losses generally don't help your career unless you win big the next year) and a commentator who is not cheering for a specific team.

If the Suns end up with a "transcendent" player this year that is a key member of a finals team, they are exhibit A for the reality of the draft lottery, because they've spent a lot of time playing the game the other way.

 

[pokerface]

Jeff Van Gundy is on Lowe's recent podcast being highly critical of teams resting players: either for playoff prep or tanking. Draws a hard line that the teams and players have an obligation to do their best for the fans every night. I think it's a naive sentiment – but may be simply that he's a former coach (where losses generally don't help your career unless you win big the next year) and a commentator who is not cheering for a specific team.

If the Suns end up with a "transcendent" player this year that is a key member of a finals team, they are exhibit A for the reality of the draft lottery, because they've spent a lot of time playing the game the other way.

Well we don't have another solid recourse besides the draft. Hey Van Gundy...When you got players like Durant going to a already loaded team like GS and we've missed the playoffs the last seven years... Then there are teams that tanked whole seasons for Duncan and LeBron and won championships. Uhh sometimes things don't seem fair and we have to take matters in our own hands!

 

[Yuma]

Jeff Van Gundy is on Lowe's recent podcast being highly critical of teams resting players: either for playoff prep or tanking. Draws a hard line that the teams and players have an obligation to do their best for the fans every night. I think it's a naive sentiment – but may be simply that he's a former coach (where losses generally don't help your career unless you win big the next year) and a commentator who is not cheering for a specific team.

If the Suns end up with a "transcendent" player this year that is a key member of a finals team, they are exhibit A for the reality of the draft lottery, because they've spent a lot of time playing the game the other way.

OK, I can see guys having heartburn with tanking for the draft picks. However, if your team has secured a playoff spot and their legs are dead, why should they ruin their playoff chances going all out in essentially meaningless games. All I ask as a fan, is if I shelled out money on a game to see the stars coming to town, is just play 10 minutes, then shut it down. At least let us see you on the court a few minutes.

 

[JCSunsfan]

OK, I can see guys having heartburn with tanking for the draft picks. However, if your team has secured a playoff spot and their legs are dead, why should they ruin their playoff chances going all out in essentially meaningless games. All I ask as a fan, is if I shelled out money on a game to see the stars coming to town, is just play 10 minutes, then shut it down. At least let us see you on the court a few minutes.

Nope. Stats. Doing this kills their averages. They would rather sit entire games.

Just have sit out home games instead.

 

[Sunburn]

Nope. Stats. Doing this kills their averages. They would rather sit entire games.

Just have sit out home games instead.

That won't work. You have people shelling out money for every game. I like the idea of at least ten minutes.

 

[JCSunsfan]

That won't work. You have people shelling out money for every game. I like the idea of at least ten minutes.

At least at home games, fans have lots of other games to see the player. They also will be more understanding about resting stars because they are invested in the long term success of the team.

 

[Yuma]

Nope. Stats. Doing this kills their averages. They would rather sit entire games.

Just have sit out home games instead.

I agree with that, however, I have read a lot of quotes from older ball players that knew about the stats but understood, "This is the only time I am going to Phoenix this year, so I will put in an appearance." The Black Mamba recently knew that and showed up to Phoenix even though he had some physical issues and wanted to stay in LA. There are just some guys that get it is entertainment, and some guys that don't. If they have to sit at home games, maybe that is a way to handle it.

 

[Yuma]

From an article On Arizona Sports:

KO: Absolutely. I wrote about the reasons for and against the move, but at the end of the day, all Bledsoe did was strengthen his value this season, which was already at its peak. Picking in the top-2 makes this decision much easier. If the Suns take Fultz or Ball, their young core of that point guard, Devin Booker, Bender, Chriss, T.J. Warren, Tyler Ulis, Derrick Jones Jr. and whoever is at center becomes the deepest and certainly one of the best in the NBA. I know everyone is sick of hearing about how good this year’s draft class is, but next year’s at the top is looking even better, so being really bad for one more year might not be a terrible idea either. Booker’s off the charts swagger in the Oklahoma City game and the 70-point bomb in Boston show he’s ready to be the face of the franchise, even if he sort of already is in a way. It’s time to pull the trigger.

@pokerface , time to start the 2017-2018 #1 or BUST! The O'Mighty DRAFT Thread!

 

[Yuma]

In an article about Earl Watson on Arizona Sports website:

Yes, at some point winning will be a priority, perhaps next season, or the season after

@pokerface, yet another reason for the 2017-2018#1 or BUST! The O'Mighty DRAFT Thread!

 

[BC867]

Fultz . . . Ball . . . Jackson. I wonder if the pure basketball evaluations on this board, or anywhere else, really mean anything if the owner's priority is a flashy team to put bodies in the stands and revenue through the turnstiles each year.

There is nothing wrong with that as long as building a winning team to improve every year and not just make the playoffs, but grow in stature, is also a priority.

So far. Sarver has shown no skill in systematically building a strong, balanced team. I think we are all spinning our wheels assuming that his draft decision can see beyond short term.

He is the barker of a 3-ring circus. To entertain and fill the seats when they come to town.

 

[pokerface]

Fultz . . . Ball . . . Jackson. I wonder if the pure basketball evaluations on this board, or anywhere else, really mean anything if the owner's priority is a flashy team to put bodies in the stands and revenue through the turnstiles each year.

There is nothing wrong with that as long as building a winning team to improve every year and not just make the playoffs, but grow in stature, is also a priority.

So far. Sarver has shown no skill in systematically building a strong, balanced team. I think we are all spinning our wheels assuming that his draft decision can see beyond short term.

He is the barker of a 3-ring circus. To entertain and fill the seats when they come to town.

Yeah but we have McD now and he shows some competence. Kerr was just as much responsible for messing the team up as Sarver IMO.

 

[Yuma]

Yeah but we have McD now and he shows some competence. Kerr was just as much responsible for messing the team up as Sarver IMO.

Yes, Kerr is a better coach by far than a GM. When he was here as our GM, I kept wondering if he shouldn't have been the coach. I was wanting a more established GM, but so far I like McD.