1 pm Arians media availability

[WildBB]

Exactly. These guys get recycled so much it is enough to make your head spin.

I'm sure Horton is not happy. He wants to be a head coach. He has to pay his dues. There are numerous guys that have wanted to be head coaches and had to wait as long if not longer than he has.

Perfect examples are Arians, and Trestman that immediately come to mind.

I like Horton. I would not mind him being coach, but I was not in the interview room, so i really don't know what was discussed. I am sure after a bit of time he will get over whatever hurt feelings he might have and after next year [assuming he does not get the job this year] he can go coach the lions or raiders or someone else.

There are only so many precious head coaching jobs to go around. I get that he is upset, but life isn't fair. He makes millions while sitting in a booth. I'll take his job if he is too upset to coach.

As far as the players go... so what. I really couldn't care less if some of these like or hate the coach. There are no more excuses. There will be a new coach and GM and they better starting playing like their jobs are at stake. Their time will come and go quick.

Bottom line.

 

[clif]

I'd say coaching in the NFL for 18 years IS paying your dues.

Arians has been coaching in the NFL since 1988. Hasn't he paid his dues?

 

[JeffGollin]

Arians has been coaching in the NFL since 1988. Hasn't he paid his dues?

Experience is an important factor, but more important is what experience has taught you.

I'd rather have a really smart leader of men with 2 years of coaching experience than a dumb knucklehead with 25 years under his belt.

(Of course, there 'd be nothing wrong with a really smart leader with 25 years under his belt).

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

My theory is that if you think that Horton or Bevell are hungry to be a HC than Imagine how hungry a guy like Arians is considering how long he has been waiting for the opportunity to be a HC.

 

[CtCardinals78]

Find me one championship team in any of the major sports that didn't have veteran leadership playing a key role...

I'll take experience and leadership over relying on rookies any day. No problem with what he said.

I'm fine with that, my worry is where he said the job is easy. Those are red flag words I don't care if you flip burgers or coach football teams the minute you look at your job is easy is the time you take things for granted, overlook minor things and make mistakes and your hubris takes over.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Why can't people stop referencing a rumor that was proven false.

Sorry officer, we won't let it happen again.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

If Horton tells the Cards he's waiting till next year to sign an extension so they can "match it up against other offers", don't be shocked if Bidwill lets whoever the new HC is bring in his own DC.

Yep.

And don't be shocked if we look like the 2000's Cardinals with Dave McGinnis.

No offense, no defense, no hope, and the same ol Cardinals.

Only the Cardinals would destroy the only thing they got going for them.

I hope it all works out in the end, but this IS the Cardinals. It usually crashes and burns.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Experience is an important factor, but more important is what experience has taught you.

I'd rather have a really smart leader of men with 2 years of coaching experience than a dumb knucklehead with 25 years under his belt.

(Of course, there 'd be nothing wrong with a really smart leader with 25 years under his belt).

+1

 

[PDXChris]

Sorry officer, we won't let it happen again.

So you are ok with people spreading lies?


Hey everyone, Rugby is no longer a Cardinals fan and now supports any team Tony Romo is on. He is going to give his gear to Desert Dawg.

I assume you are ok with me stating this?

 

[desertdawg]

So you are ok with people spreading lies?


Hey everyone, Rugby is no longer a Cardinals fan and now supports any team Tony Romo is on. He is going to give his gear to Desert Dawg.

I assume you are ok with me stating this?

I don't know how I got up in this mix but yes, I accept most any Cardinals gear. Free tickets are my favorite though.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I'm fine with that, my worry is where he said the job is easy. Those are red flag words I don't care if you flip burgers or coach football teams the minute you look at your job is easy is the time you take things for granted, overlook minor things and make mistakes and your hubris takes over.

I could be wrong but I don't think he said the job is easy, but that the playcalling part of it is easy. Also I don't feel as though calling something easy automatically means that you won't take it seriously and put in the propper preperation for the job.

 

[Doc Cardinal]

I could be wrong but I don't think he said the job is easy, but that the playcalling part of it is easy. Also I don't feel as though calling something easy automatically means that you won't take it seriously and put in the proper preparation for the job.

That's the way I took it as well.

The good news is that he sounds like he would take the job if offered.

The bad news is that some of the fans no matter who we pick are calling next season The Mayan Prophecy Apocolypse....and it may turn out like that one did.

Sure...I don't want Horton to get pissed and want out...sounds like he may be on that train of thought already.

So due diligence is over....the remaining candidate or candidates are mostly defensive guys and if that was the direction we were going we would probably have already hired Horton.

Time to push the all the chips to the middle of the table.

 

[az jam]

Agree, I think we get the news on our new HC tomorrow (Friday).

 

[Doc Cardinal]

Agree, I think we get the news on our new HC tomorrow (Friday).

Man I hope so.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

So you are ok with people spreading lies?


Hey everyone, Rugby is no longer a Cardinals fan and now supports any team Tony Romo is on. He is going to give his gear to Desert Dawg.

I assume you are ok with me stating this?

About as reliable a source as someone's agent who is trying to sell his client to a team for big money.

I think to believe any source 100% right now is tough to buy into.

You can believe your source is truth, and that people are spreading lies. That's fine but didn't you call out Mitch for the same thing ?

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2784065&postcount=8

Just sayin'

Just maybe, his agent is making sure his client doesn't say something to screw up an opportunity before he gets a chance to get his foot in the door.

It sounds like Bruce Arians (and this my humble opinion year, no "source") wants to run the show. Which is fine. But that means you lose Horton.

Not only that, Arians own words, "It is not going to turn around over night". I do not think it is crazy to say with the CURRENT defense, you can turn things around pretty quick. An offense that was good for 14 pts against its own team per game and the defense still kept things close.

I think we at the least go 8-8 if our offense could not give up touchdowns to the opposition and maybe score one for us. Again pure speculation, but it is hard to argue we had/have a pretty damn good defense. Good enough to win games all by themselves.

IF (again pure speculation) Bruce Arians costs this organization Ray Horton, in one way or another, HE BETTER show some results. And by results, I mean by years end next season we have an offense that is able to be very competitive. Not more wins, but vast improvement.

Cause right now, all this organization has is a great defense.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

That's the way I took it as well.

The good news is that he sounds like he would take the job if offered.

The bad news is that some of the fans no matter who we pick are calling next season The Mayan Prophecy Apocolypse....and it may turn out like that one did.

Sure...I don't want Horton to get pissed and want out...sounds like he may be on that train of thought already.

So due diligence is over....the remaining candidate or candidates are mostly defensive guys and if that was the direction we were going we would probably have already hired Horton.

Time to push the all the chips to the middle of the table.

Agreed.

At days end, the we will all know the truth when pen is put to paper. There is literally no much more to be done. Besides quarrel over more rumors, and which ones are legit.

 

[JeffGollin]

So OK. I got to see Arians in action before the local media.

The one thing that really impressed me was that - way more than the other three HC candidates - Bruce came across as a from-the-ground-up guy. Everything - from his coaching philosophy to his background as a coach - was framed in up-close-&-personal hands-on anecdotes and examples (from how a QB processes plays to what it felt like when Chuck Pagano returned to the Colts HQ). Warmth and speaking in specifics are key leadership skills.

IMO, That's huge.

 

[BillsCarnage]

So OK. I got to see Arians in action before the local media.

The one thing that really impressed me was that - way more than the other three HC candidates - Bruce came across as a from-the-ground-up guy. Everything - from his coaching philosophy to his background as a coach - was framed in up-close-&-personal hands-on anecdotes and examples (from how a QB processes plays to what it felt like when Chuck Pagano returned to the Colts HQ). Warmth and speaking in specifics are key leadership skills.

IMO, That's huge.

Should we call him Butter, or Buttah, since he's so smooth? Buttah Bruce?

 

[JeffGollin]

Should we call him Butter, or Buttah, since he's so smooth? Buttah Bruce?

I didn't think he was especially "smooth." Just down to earth and fairly specific.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

So OK. I got to see Arians in action before the local media.

The one thing that really impressed me was that - way more than the other three HC candidates - Bruce came across as a from-the-ground-up guy. Everything - from his coaching philosophy to his background as a coach - was framed in up-close-&-personal hands-on anecdotes and examples (from how a QB processes plays to what it felt like when Chuck Pagano returned to the Colts HQ). Warmth and speaking in specifics are key leadership skills.

IMO, That's huge.

+1

Gotta say, that was impressive. He is genuine no doubt about it. He is not nasty about it but he has this, "I have been doing this too long, and am too old to play around. What you see is what you get."

What I liked ?

- Yeah, Chuck Pagano supplied some motivation, but when he said at years end there were 11 players that hadn't even seen Pagano.......well...WOW! That is something.

- When he said, "Next man up is NOT a motto, it is a reality." Yep.

- He is a disciple of Tom Moore. That is where his coaching tree starts. Tom Moore is a ridiculously good coach. The offensive equivalent of Dick LeBeau in my opinion. He is the main reason, again IMO, Peyton Manning can do the thing he can out on the field.

- When he says it is easy.....yeah, well the guy has been doing it for 25 years. I understand what he is saying. The NFL is hard, don't get him wrong, but 25 years is 25 years doing what he does. Yeah, it comes easy to him.

- I call the plays until someone does it better....yep. Logic. I like that.

- Finally, and the most important thing. Of course I do not know if he is just selling himself, but again, the guy is older, and has been around 25 years. He wants to be a head coach, but he obviously has no problem staying with the Colts, and he has been doing it too long to, as he put it, "Be head coach just to be one".

I don't think it has anything to do with a "feeling". That man sees something. There is something here in AZ that is "obvious" to him and no one else that can create success. I sure as heck don't know what it is but when he starting coaching I was 10 years old.....so I think I can confide that he knows what he sees. Doubt it? He coached with Whiz, and the Steelers. He knows what they are doing for the most part. Thus it can't be too hard for him to see something in the system that is, not working but can, and breed success.


Ugh.
If you go with Arians, and the rumors are true the Horton is out, then the next season will be suffering. Watch the defense fall apart, watch the offense learn, and watch the losing column go to double digits. It is to be expected.

It is so hard to have confidence in the situation. The front office deserves none, I mean seriously people, what have they don outside of two years. We don't know about Keim yet, and all Arians has done is do one interview for us to base on.

He have/had a great defense, to deny that is just nutz (sorry to be hard, but really, that defense is good). To throw that out ? As a Cardinals fan ?

Painful, stressful, and anxiety ridden.

I wish it was as simple as Horton would be OK with being the DC, or that the final choice was between a defensive guy who learned from a great defensive football mind, that shows the ability to produce, and lead men, and an offensive guy who learned from a great offensive football mind, that shows the ability to produce, and lead men.

Right now ?

Arians or Horton.

Anyone else would be crazy, IMO, cause Arians is way better the Gruden, and the other two that have no business in the conversation, in my humble opinion of course.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I didn't think he was especially "smooth." Just down to earth and fairly specific.

I would say he is confident that he knows what he is doing and how to get it done, but not cocky.

I say he has a "F, it. I am too old to be screwing around. I do this, and expect that, now lets get it done." type of guy.

I was impressed.

If we throw away Horton for Arians, I still think it is a huge mistake, but at least the guy has some merit to his name.

Hope. That is all I ask for going into next season. And by hope is that this organization is working toward something and not in for another 60 year dry spell.

 

[JeffGollin]

It's all but certain that Arians got the job.

As for Horton, there are three ways he can handle this.

1. Raise such a stink that they let him go.

2. Raise a stink, but not enough for the Cards to void his contract (but enough to create a lot of friction among players, coaches etc)

3. Quickly realize that (nothing personal) "it just didn't happen" and approach 2013 like a professional so that good things will happen for him in 2014.

We have to hope that Ray will quickly realize that his best career option is Door #3.