#10 Seed in the West

[FirePit]

Yay....Playing West Virginia.

 

[Skkorpion]

Welcome to ASFN.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I have to say UA does not deserve to be in the tourney...

 

[Lefty]

I have to say UA does not deserve to be in the tourney...

Yeah, maybe the Cats should play a cupcake schedule where 10 of their wins will be against teams with an rpi of 200 or more. Every year the committe has been stressing about playing a competitive schedule. Lute has always followed that advice. He is never afraid to play anyone.

Like Andy Katz said, the committee weighed heavily on not only the Cats tough schedule, but the games they played without Bayless and Wise. They saw with those two playing together, the Cats were 15-6.

 

[devilalum]

but the games they played without Bayless and Wise. They saw with those two playing together, the Cats were 15-6.

If anybody considered this they should be fired. The Devils beat them TWICE!!!

The Cats had to play the LOSER game to get into the real PAC tourney.

 

[green machine]

If anybody considered this they should be fired. The Devils beat them TWICE!!!

The Cats had to play the LOSER game to get into the real PAC tourney.

 

[Lefty]

Agree.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/ncaatourney08/columns/story?columnist=katz_andy&id=3297287

 

[devilalum]

Sorry I didn't notice this was in the UA forum until just now. I don't troll over here on purpose.

 

[green machine]

Sorry I didn't notice this was in the UA forum until just now. I don't troll over here on purpose.

No worries, hell, I think ASU deserved a bid, just not at the expense of UoA.

 

[Lefty]

No worries, hell, I think ASU deserved a bid, just not at the expense of UoA.

I agree. I don't know why ASU fans get pissed off at the UofA. The Cats had the second hardest non-conference schedule in the country and they beat WSU twice and also beat USC on the road, all while being shorthanded. The committee has always awarded teams who are not afraid to play the top schools. Just look at Georgia a few years ago.

I do believe ASU should be in the tournament but when a team like Georgia gets hot and wins four straight, it seems unfair since they did not play well until their conference tournament.

People have bashed Lute on his opinion about the conference tournament but maybe ASU fans will now see why Lute is against it. Why have a Pac-10 tournament after playing each team twice? Conference tournaments only benefits a team like Georgia.

 

[Mr. Boldin]

If anybody considered this they should be fired. The Devils beat them TWICE!!!

The Cats had to play the LOSER game to get into the real PAC tourney.

Apparently the selection committee should use your logic and...

1. Look at conference standings
2. Look at head to head match ups
3. Not look at injuries
4. Drop the RPI
5. Eliminate SOS

If the selection committee does that then ASU might be in as a 9 seed.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Apparently the selection committee should use your logic and...

1. Look at conference standings
2. Look at head to head match ups
3. Not look at injuries
4. Drop the RPI
5. Eliminate SOS

If the selection committee does that then ASU might be in as a 9 seed.

In other words, change the way things have been done for 25 years.

You know what, if they decide to alter things a bit it wouldn't bother me at all in fact I'm all for it. Sagarin or kenpom are better statistical theories in my opinion than the archaic RPI and I'd love for the committee to be consisted of more basketball people than athletic directors who have more experience sucking up to boosters than evaluating hoops. However, until that happens everyone in the country knows how the teams will be picked and if you fail to adjust to that system you have nobody to blame but yourself.

 

[Mr. Boldin]

Exactly Mao...

If they alter the formula or whatever you wish to call it, I dont think anyone will care. However, the system right now is common knoweldge except to Vitale, Packer, everybody on ESPN except Bilas and Cowheard, and some ASU fans.

 

[BigRedRage]

Yeah, maybe the Cats should play a cupcake schedule where 10 of their wins will be against teams with an rpi of 200 or more. Every year the committe has been stressing about playing a competitive schedule. Lute has always followed that advice. He is never afraid to play anyone.

Like Andy Katz said, the committee weighed heavily on not only the Cats tough schedule, but the games they played without Bayless and Wise. They saw with those two playing together, the Cats were 15-6.

ASU can schedule huge opponents and get pounded by them like u of a did. Horrible arguement.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

ASU can schedule huge opponents and get pounded by them like u of a did. Horrible arguement.

What huge opponents did we get pounded by? Our worst loss was to UCLA and you guys got thrashed by them twice....

We played Memphis, Virginia, Kansas, etc all very tough and Memphis we didnt even have our best player.

Get over it and go watch some thrilling NIT action at a 2/3 empty Wells Fargo. That back and forth was nice for a couple days but now we have actual opponents in the tournament to worry about.

 

[BigRedRage]

What huge opponents did we get pounded by? Our worst loss was to UCLA and you guys got thrashed by them twice....

We played Memphis, Virginia, Kansas, etc all very tough and Memphis we didnt even have our best player.

Get over it and go watch some thrilling NIT action at a 2/3 empty Wells Fargo. That back and forth was nice for a couple days but now we have actual opponents in the tournament to worry about.

I wont watch either way, not a college ball fan. Just like getting under wildcat skin.

I'm a football fan through and through, and ASU takes that hands down.

But all in all, its about the cardinals baby!

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I wont watch either way, not a college ball fan. Just like getting under wildcat skin.

I'm a football fan through and through, and ASU takes that hands down.

But all in all, its about the cardinals baby!

ASU/UofA/whatever it is. That team is my true love so that makes you good in my book

 

[ajcardfan]

Get over it and go watch some thrilling NIT action at a 2/3 empty Wells Fargo. That back and forth was nice for a couple days but now we have actual opponents in the tournament to worry about.

I doubt you'll have to worry too long, with the game being in WVU's backyard.

 

[BigRedRage]

I cant say I mind watching ASU dominate NIT people vs being a UA fan and getting smacked out of the first round in a 64 team tournament.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I cant say I mind watching ASU dominate NIT people vs being a UA fan and getting smacked out of the first round in a 64 team tournament.

You obviously don't follow college hoops. You can win NIT games for the next decade and they still won't amount to a single NCAA Tournament loss. Bragging about the NIT, nice job showing the world how small-time ASU Hoops truly is.

 

[BigRedRage]

You obviously don't follow college hoops. You can win NIT games for the next decade and they still won't amount to a single NCAA Tournament loss. Bragging about the NIT, nice job showing the world how small-time ASU Hoops truly is.

im not bragging, im saying it has been much more entertaining. I dont watch college ball at all but i do know the tourney is better, but being ousted in the first round is nothing to be happy about.

BARELY made the tourney, and then got dropped on.

ASU Baseball, 1-0 vs uofa
ASU Basketball 2-0
ASU Football, 1-0

Did you beat us in anything this year? Maybe swimming.

 

[NightHawk11and81]

What huge opponents did we get pounded by? Our worst loss was to UCLA and you guys got thrashed by them twice....

We played Memphis, Virginia, Kansas, etc all very tough and Memphis we didnt even have our best player.

Get over it and go watch some thrilling NIT action at a 2/3 empty Wells Fargo. That back and forth was nice for a couple days but now we have actual opponents in the tournament to worry about.

Virginia? Virginia was tough? Virginia was 10th in the ACC, 15-15 overall. Virginia was terrible. And Arizona lost to them at home! That's an embarrassing loss.

Seriously, the schedule strength component is flawed if Arizona ended up second. Other than Kansas and Memphis, both of whom the Wildcats lost to, who was on there that was all that difficult? Texas A&M? Nope, the Aggies are pretty weak away from College Station. UNLV was the best non-conference win Arizona had. ASU drilled Xavier, a No. 3 seed. Plus in Pac-10 play, ASU had the better record and swept Arizona.

Arizona did better than I expected against West Virginia, but the Wildcats still had no business being in the tournament. I really do not care about either school, my team is Missouri, who is just as bad as Virginia, but from the perspective of a neutral fan, Arizona had no right to go over Arizona State.

 

[General Chaos]

Virginia? Virginia was tough? Virginia was 10th in the ACC, 15-15 overall. Virginia was terrible. And Arizona lost to them at home! That's an embarrassing loss.

Seriously, the schedule strength component is flawed if Arizona ended up second. Other than Kansas and Memphis, both of whom the Wildcats lost to, who was on there that was all that difficult? Texas A&M? Nope, the Aggies are pretty weak away from College Station. UNLV was the best non-conference win Arizona had. ASU drilled Xavier, a No. 3 seed. Plus in Pac-10 play, ASU had the better record and swept Arizona.

Arizona did better than I expected against West Virginia, but the Wildcats still had no business being in the tournament. I really do not care about either school, my team is Missouri, who is just as bad as Virginia, but from the perspective of a neutral fan, Arizona had no right to go over Arizona State.

Get over it! I don't know who is whinier, Suns fans or ASU fans, oh wait they are the same people.

 

[NightHawk11and81]

Get over it! I don't know who is whinier, Suns fans or ASU fans, oh wait they are the same people.

As stated before, I am neither. I could care less about ASU, and I could REALLY care less about the Suns. I am completely neutral in terms of bias on this issue and just calling it as I see it.

My basketball teams are Missouri and the Pacers.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Arizona did better than I expected against West Virginia, but the Wildcats still had no business being in the tournament. I really do not care about either school, my team is Missouri, who is just as bad as Virginia, but from the perspective of a neutral fan, Arizona had no right to go over Arizona State.

If Arizona is not in the Tournament then ASU's resume includes exactly zero quality wins away from Tempe. Arizona's resume is the ONLY reason ASU was even considered for the NCAA Tournament and even then it wasn't enough to put in those cupcake-feeders.