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1 – I have said for months that Nolen was not a realistic pick, so I obviously stand corrected.

2 – However, I do doubt about the scheme fit, since they already have a lot of sub-300 pounds 4i-players on the d-line.

3 – Right when the pick was made, I smiled, because I knew that many of you have wanted them to select Nolen for a long time. Congratulations. I am truly happy for you.

4 – Interesting to hear one of the analysts (Bruce Feldman) talk about how some of the Cardinals coaches have very good connections to Pete Golding – the defensive coordinator at Ole Miss. They probably gave him a call.

5 – What does this mean to Darius Robinson? I assume he will be moved to edge in base defense (which, by the way, was the position that made him skyrocket in draft rankings from his junior- to senior year).

6 – Every year I get a kick out of some fans’ ignorance (sorry, I couldn’t find a better word) about how teams build their draft boards, and because of that, call picks either steals or reaches. Shockingly, teams do in fact not use Mel Kiper’s or Daniel Jeremiah’s boards. And don’t take my word for it. For example, listen to the CBS-podcast with Dane Brugler and Daniel Jeremiah where they say exactly that. “Don’t trust our boards with each individual pick.”

7 – A super-talented DT with maturity issues from Ole Miss? I have PTSD from the Nkemdiche experiment.

8 – It is exciting to hear Gannon talk about Nolen’s fit in the system. He obviously has a clear plan for him, and because of that, Nolen can become a superstar. He really has that potential.

9 – Ironically (in a bad way) that they would have picked #11 if they had lost the last game to the Niners, and at that spot they could have gotten my favorite pick for them – Mykel Williams. Instead, the Niners picked #11, and chose Mykel Williams.

10 – Like I have said for months, this team need stars. The players that tip games from a close loss to a close win. Thus, I want them to trade up after one of the potential superstar edges, be it Nic Scourton, Donovan Ezeiuraku, or Mike Green. Those guys can be double digit sack guys with a loaded defensive line. Actually, I could see Green being their primary choice, just because of his playing style. You could call him “the Walter Nolen of edge rushers,” as they both play extremely aggressive and violent. Gannon have talked about how he is drawn to those players, and in their press conference last night he called Nolen a “1000% Cardinals player” because of his game tape.

Another option for a potentially great edge rusher is to offer a fourth-round pick for Kayvon Thibodeaux. He does have great potential, but the Giants obviously just selected Abdul Carter. I would even be interested in a third-round pick. Don’t know if I would do it, don’t know if I would not do it.
 

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1 – I have said for months that Nolen was not a realistic pick, so I obviously stand corrected.

2 – However, I do doubt about the scheme fit, since they already have a lot of sub-300 pounds 4i-players on the d-line.

3 – Right when the pick was made, I smiled, because I knew that many of you have wanted them to select Nolen for a long time. Congratulations. I am truly happy for you.

4 – Interesting to hear one of the analysts (Bruce Feldman) talk about how some of the Cardinals coaches have very good connections to Pete Golding – the defensive coordinator at Ole Miss. They probably gave him a call.

5 – What does this mean to Darius Robinson? I assume he will be moved to edge in base defense (which, by the way, was the position that made him skyrocket in draft rankings from his junior- to senior year).

6 – Every year I get a kick out of some fans’ ignorance (sorry, I couldn’t find a better word) about how teams build their draft boards, and because of that, call picks either steals or reaches. Shockingly, teams do in fact not use Mel Kiper’s or Daniel Jeremiah’s boards. And don’t take my word for it. For example, listen to the CBS-podcast with Dane Brugler and Daniel Jeremiah where they say exactly that. “Don’t trust our boards with each individual pick.”

7 – A super-talented DT with maturity issues from Ole Miss? I have PTSD from the Nkemdiche experiment.

8 – It is exciting to hear Gannon talk about Nolen’s fit in the system. He obviously has a clear plan for him, and because of that, Nolen can become a superstar. He really has that potential.

9 – Ironically (in a bad way) that they would have picked #11 if they had lost the last game to the Niners, and at that spot they could have gotten my favorite pick for them – Mykel Williams. Instead, the Niners picked #11, and chose Mykel Williams.

10 – Like I have said for months, this team need stars. The players that tip games from a close loss to a close win. Thus, I want them to trade up after one of the potential superstar edges, be it Nic Scourton, Donovan Ezeiuraku, or Mike Green. Those guys can be double digit sack guys with a loaded defensive line. Actually, I could see Green being their primary choice, just because of his playing style. You could call him “the Walter Nolen of edge rushers,” as they both play extremely aggressive and violent. Gannon have talked about how he is drawn to those players, and in their press conference last night he called Nolen a “1000% Cardinals player” because of his game tape.

Another option for a potentially great edge rusher is to offer a fourth-round pick for Kayvon Thibodeaux. He does have great potential, but the Giants obviously just selected Abdul Carter. I would even be interested in a third-round pick. Don’t know if I would do it, don’t know if I would not do it.
5 dramatic difference
7 overblown rumor
9 sorry, but they likely took Grant or Nolen
 

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8 – It is exciting to hear Gannon talk about Nolen’s fit in the system. He obviously has a clear plan for him, and because of that, Nolen can become a superstar. He really has that potential.


As opposed to Keim that would draft players without a position and then expect the coaches to "figure it out"
 
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A great writeup, as usual! Very diplomatic as well.

On #2, the problem is that none of those players have provided interior penetration on a regular basis for us. We didn't have this type of DT currently and needed one, IMO.
Absolutely you are right, but the thing is that Gannon’s scheme doesn’t fully seek that. The interior defensive linemen are first and foremost asked to keep blockers occupied to free up other players to penetrate. Actually, when Gannon was with the Eagles, he almost got into a public argument with superstar Fletcher Cox, because Cox was annoyed that he couldn’t just attack the quarterback.

Having said that, it is obviously not illegal for an interior defender to get into the backfield, and it sure would be wonderful if they got more pressure that way. It was embarrassing last season.
 
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8 – It is exciting to hear Gannon talk about Nolen’s fit in the system. He obviously has a clear plan for him, and because of that, Nolen can become a superstar. He really has that potential.


As opposed to Keim that would draft players without a position and then expect the coaches to "figure it out"
I actually think that is a constant with Ossenfort, DJ. I think it has been that way in all three drafts, and I do expect it to continue the next couple of days.
 

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5 dramatic difference
7 overblown rumor
9 sorry, but they likely took Grant or Nolen

What do you mean for #5, that D Rob was dramatically different in college on the edge, or that it's dramatically different doing that in the NFL?

From the current depth chart and what the Cards are saying about Nolen, I think it's very likely that D Rob is going to be playing DE not DT. You could argue we now look more like a 4-3 team than a 3-4 but I don't see us switching seems like Gannon is a 3-4 guy that will rotate guys. So we could very well see RDE D Rob, NT Dalvin, LDE Nolen in some lineups and then when we go heavy Nolen moves inside and say Justin Jones plays DE.
 
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You could argue we now look more like a 4-3 team than a 3-4 but I don't see us switching seems like Gannon is a 3-4 guy that will rotate guys.
Actually, they are deploying four linemen in base defense, and five in nickel. Rallis switches to their nickel-defense pretty much as soon as he can. And I agree with you that I also think of Robinson as an edge rusher now. Maybe even at wide 9 (way outside the tackle) in nickel. He sometimes played that position at Missouri.
 

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Absolutely you are right, but the thing is that Gannon’s scheme doesn’t fully seek that. The interior defensive linemen are first and foremost asked to keep blockers occupied to free up other players to penetrate. Actually, when Gannon was with the Eagles, he almost got into a public argument with superstar Fletcher Cox, because Cox was annoyed that he couldn’t just attack the quarterback.

Having said that, it is obviously not illegal for an interior defender to get into the backfield, and it sure would be wonderful if they got more pressure that way. It was embarrassing last season.
I think Gannon watched the way the Philly DL totally dominated the Chiefs in the SB & wanted some of that. I'm all for it, about damn time we start building a DL.
 

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1 – I have said for months that Nolen was not a realistic pick, so I obviously stand corrected.
I thought he was. The Cardinals obviously went out to really build a deep DL rotation, but the problem is, drafting a day three guy really doesn't make sense because a day three guy is unlikely to realistically bump one of the veterans off the roster.
2 – However, I do doubt about the scheme fit, since they already have a lot of sub-300 pounds 4i-players on the d-line.
From hearing how the Cardinals think they can use him, they think he has some scheme versatility.
3 – Right when the pick was made, I smiled, because I knew that many of you have wanted them to select Nolen for a long time. Congratulations. I am truly happy for you.
I was in a bar yelling Walter Nolen and I love it when I'm right like that LOL.
4 – Interesting to hear one of the analysts (Bruce Feldman) talk about how some of the Cardinals coaches have very good connections to Pete Golding – the defensive coordinator at Ole Miss. They probably gave him a call.
These kinds of relationships will allow the team to get honest opinions from coaches.
5 – What does this mean to Darius Robinson? I assume he will be moved to edge in base defense (which, by the way, was the position that made him skyrocket in draft rankings from his junior- to senior year).
I've always thought this is how Robinson will be best used. I see a lot of Robinson/Nolen stunts in the future.
6 – Every year I get a kick out of some fans’ ignorance (sorry, I couldn’t find a better word) about how teams build their draft boards, and because of that, call picks either steals or reaches. Shockingly, teams do in fact not use Mel Kiper’s or Daniel Jeremiah’s boards. And don’t take my word for it. For example, listen to the CBS-podcast with Dane Brugler and Daniel Jeremiah where they say exactly that. “Don’t trust our boards with each individual pick.”
Absolutely. I don't care what the draft pundits say at all anymore as far as this is concerned. Draft boards are for entertainment purposes only.
7 – A super-talented DT with maturity issues from Ole Miss? I have PTSD from the Nkemdiche experiment.
I think it's a bit overblown. Nkemdiche had some pretty alarming red flags (the hotel incident) and he also was a lot less productive than Nolen.
8 – It is exciting to hear Gannon talk about Nolen’s fit in the system. He obviously has a clear plan for him, and because of that, Nolen can become a superstar. He really has that potential.
Exciting draft pick for sure. I'm legit excited about all the pieces they have in the front seven now. The Cardinals aren't relying on Ojulari, Robinson, and Browning to be the pass rush this year.
9 – Ironically (in a bad way) that they would have picked #11 if they had lost the last game to the Niners, and at that spot they could have gotten my favorite pick for them – Mykel Williams. Instead, the Niners picked #11, and chose Mykel Williams.
And I don't get it. Williams wasn't that productive. He looks kind of stiff to me.
10 – Like I have said for months, this team need stars. The players that tip games from a close loss to a close win. Thus, I want them to trade up after one of the potential superstar edges, be it Nic Scourton, Donovan Ezeiuraku, or Mike Green. Those guys can be double digit sack guys with a loaded defensive line. Actually, I could see Green being their primary choice, just because of his playing style. You could call him “the Walter Nolen of edge rushers,” as they both play extremely aggressive and violent. Gannon have talked about how he is drawn to those players, and in their press conference last night he called Nolen a “1000% Cardinals player” because of his game tape.
I think Green is off the Cardinals board because as much as I like Nolen, I like Green as a player better. It's a human issue, not a player issue.
Another option for a potentially great edge rusher is to offer a fourth-round pick for Kayvon Thibodeaux. He does have great potential, but the Giants obviously just selected Abdul Carter. I would even be interested in a third-round pick. Don’t know if I would do it, don’t know if I would not do it.
Sign me up. Edge is kind of in the same boat that I think you have to use a high pick or nothing at all because there are a lot of NFL players at edge, so you need a clear upgrade to pull the trigger.
 

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What do you mean for #5, that D Rob was dramatically different in college on the edge, or that it's dramatically different doing that in the NFL?

From the current depth chart and what the Cards are saying about Nolen, I think it's very likely that D Rob is going to be playing DE not DT. You could argue we now look more like a 4-3 team than a 3-4 but I don't see us switching seems like Gannon is a 3-4 guy that will rotate guys. So we could very well see RDE D Rob, NT Dalvin, LDE Nolen in some lineups and then when we go heavy Nolen moves inside and say Justin Jones plays DE.
What do you mean for #5, that D Rob was dramatically different in college on the edge, or that it's dramatically different doing that in the NFL?

From the current depth chart and what the Cards are saying about Nolen, I think it's very likely that D Rob is going to be playing DE not DT. You could argue we now look more like a 4-3 team than a 3-4 but I don't see us switching seems like Gannon is a 3-4 guy that will rotate guys. So we could very well see RDE D Rob, NT Dalvin, LDE Nolen in some lineups and then when we go heavy Nolen moves inside and say Justin Jones plays DE.
He’ll be much bettter. He has attention drawn to others, so no double teams. I agree he’ll play end. Also he’s perfect for running stunts with Nolen. That could be huge.
 

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pretty amazing how different one position group can look from a bit more than a year ago
agree. its exciting. The hardest part is going to be remembering that we have about 6 guys in our front 7 rotation that are playing in a new system and will take a few games to settle in,...then at least one is a rookie, while another is a seccond year guy.
so I dont expect them to set the league on fire any time in September...but by Thanksgiving it should be a formidable group
 

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agree. its exciting. The hardest part is going to be remembering that we have about 6 guys in our front 7 rotation that are playing in a new system and will take a few games to settle in,...then at least one is a rookie, while another is a seccond year guy.
so I dont expect them to set the league on fire any time in September...but by Thanksgiving it should be a formidable group
3 and outs on the other side for a change

Would be nice...
 
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I've always thought this is how Robinson will be best used. I see a lot of Robinson/Nolen stunts in the future.
Yeah, after thinking some more about it, I think this is definitely the case. I even think it has been the goal for a long time, since they went after Milton Williams in free agency. I think it is fair to expect that they would not have drafted Nolen if they had signed Williams.

If Robinson is expected to move to edge, that would make me doubt even more that they will go edge today. I personally think they still need the superstar, and I don’t see Robinson getting double digit sacks. However, they have a lot of bodies and capable NFL players there.
 

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