11/4/2004 on this date in ASFN history

[Russ Smith]

Rugby took a poll entitled "Is Fitz worth losing Boldin?"

Final results, 59 no, 1 yes.

Interesting how the tide has turned (and no I'm not blaming Fitz).



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[SouthNZoneFan]

Wonder what the same poll today would say....

 

[40yearfan]

If Boldin would have gone to mini-camp this weekend, he would have put the onus back on the Cards. Holding out his services only serves to aggravate the team principles and his fans.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Rugby took a poll entitled "Is Fitz worth losing Boldin?"

Final results, 59 no, 1 yes.

Interesting how the tide has turned (and no I'm not blaming Fitz).



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I find it hard to believe that Quan wouldnt be asking for more money even if the Cards hadn't drafted Fitz. This was talked about prior to last years draft. I dont think the fact that Fitz got a whopper of a contract helped, but he was ROY and a Pro Bowl selection, of course he would want more money!

 

[Russ Smith]

I find it hard to believe that Quan wouldnt be asking for more money even if the Cards hadn't drafted Fitz. This was talked about prior to last years draft. I dont think the fact that Fitz got a whopper of a contract helped, but he was ROY and a Pro Bowl selection, of course he would want more money!

Want more yes, want as much more debatable. The entire argument for Rosenhaus IMHO is look at what you're paying Fitz, and look at what he did and what Anquan did in the same 10 games with Anquan playing his way into top shape. Even if he concedes we can't give Anquan the same money, he has to be pretty convincing saying he deserves a LOT closer to what Fitz makes.

If Johnson was the highest paid WR on the roster I think it would be a lot easier to negotiate with Quan.

But in the end it's absolutely possible to keep both guys, just not easy.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Want more yes, want as much more debatable. The entire argument for Rosenhaus IMHO is look at what you're paying Fitz, and look at what he did and what Anquan did in the same 10 games with Anquan playing his way into top shape. Even if he concedes we can't give Anquan the same money, he has to be pretty convincing saying he deserves a LOT closer to what Fitz makes.

If Johnson was the highest paid WR on the roster I think it would be a lot easier to negotiate with Quan.

But in the end it's absolutely possible to keep both guys, just not easy.

True, but cant Rosnehaus make the same arguement for any receiver drafted this past year who didnt put up the type of numbers Quan put up? Sure Fitz is on the same team so it is a much closer comparison but Rosenhaus could just as easily have said "hey look what Jax paid Reggie Williams or look what the Falcons paid Michael Jenkins.and they didnt produce like your 2nd round pick-pay up!"

 

[Russ Smith]

True, but cant Rosnehaus make the same arguement for any receiver drafted this past year who didnt put up the type of numbers Quan put up? Sure Fitz is on the same team so it is a much closer comparison but Rosenhaus could just as easily have said "hey look what Jax paid Reggie Williams or look what the Falcons paid Michael Jenkins.and they didnt produce like your 2nd round pick-pay up!"

Why would he negotiate using guys who make LESS than Fitz does?

 

[Pariah]

True, but cant Rosnehaus make the same arguement for any receiver drafted this past year who didnt put up the type of numbers Quan put up? Sure Fitz is on the same team so it is a much closer comparison but Rosenhaus could just as easily have said "hey look what Jax paid Reggie Williams or look what the Falcons paid Michael Jenkins.and they didnt produce like your 2nd round pick-pay up!"

Same team=same QB, same oline, same Rb, same system, same coaches, etc... You can't compare players form other teams.

Boldin deserves to be in the same contract ballpark as Fitz, IMO.

BTW, I'd still vote "no" if that poll were held today. Boldin is a special player. Fitz may end up being very good, but I haven't seen the same spark of greatness in him that I see in Boldin.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Why would he negotiate using guys who make LESS than Fitz does?

I am saying if the Cards hadnt drfated Fitz. I thought your whole arguement was "drafting Fitz will cause the team to have to pay two WR's the same amount" so my response was even if the Cards had not drafted Fizt couldn't Rosenhaus compare other WR's taken BEFORE Quan who were less productive?

 

[Russ Smith]

I am saying if the Cards hadnt drfated Fitz. I thought your whole arguement was "drafting Fitz will cause the team to have to pay two WR's the same amount" so my response was even if the Cards had not drafted Fizt couldn't Rosenhaus compare other WR's taken BEFORE Quan who were less productive?

Gotcha.

THey'd be cheaper still. Quan was going to want more money regardless, but when you have a guy on your own team making that much more than you do, the impasse is pretty easy to predict.

 

[CronosCard]

"..and in this corner.."

Pariah, thank you for squelching the insanity of FITZ dominating the reality that is Anquan Boldin!! That said, I do think that Fitz will show much better quickness in and out of cuts and off the line than last year, since he had to play through his high ankle sprain all year.. Also, I do really like Fitz and I'm glad we have him.. But he's still no Q, at least has not yet proven it on the grass.. Will someone talk about, maybe start a thread about Bryant Johnson? I am not enamored with him, he's no Frank Sanders in his first 2 years with the Cards, why does everyone here on this site seem to like him so much? as another of the posters on this site says, "Feed me Feed me!!
GO CARDS!!!

 

[Russ Smith]

Pariah, thank you for squelching the insanity of FITZ dominating the reality that is Anquan Boldin!! That said, I do think that Fitz will show much better quickness in and out of cuts and off the line than last year, since he had to play through his high ankle sprain all year.. Also, I do really like Fitz and I'm glad we have him.. But he's still no Q, at least has not yet proven it on the grass.. Will someone talk about, maybe start a thread about Bryant Johnson? I am not enamored with him, he's no Frank Sanders in his first 2 years with the Cards, why does everyone here on this site seem to like him so much? as another of the posters on this site says, "Feed me Feed me!!
GO CARDS!!!

I posted last week I don't understand why Johnson missing minicamp because of school is not getting any heat? I understand Boldin is simply choosing to skip it over his contract, but Johnson is making a lot of money and he can get his degree on his own time yet everyone seems to have no issue with him not being there. Hell if Boldins holdout is a problem Johnson is going to be a KEY player this year, all the more reason for him to be at camp instead of Penn State.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

I posted last week I don't understand why Johnson missing minicamp because of school is not getting any heat? I understand Boldin is simply choosing to skip it over his contract, but Johnson is making a lot of money and he can get his degree on his own time yet everyone seems to have no issue with him not being there. Hell if Boldins holdout is a problem Johnson is going to be a KEY player this year, all the more reason for him to be at camp instead of Penn State.

Didn't Wendel Bryant do this exact same thing last year? No one gave him any crap for that!

 

[Solar7]

I posted last week I don't understand why Johnson missing minicamp because of school is not getting any heat? I understand Boldin is simply choosing to skip it over his contract, but Johnson is making a lot of money and he can get his degree on his own time yet everyone seems to have no issue with him not being there. Hell if Boldins holdout is a problem Johnson is going to be a KEY player this year, all the more reason for him to be at camp instead of Penn State.

...Because school is actually really important? He's missing a few days out of a minicamp, not training camp. Hell, he could tear his knee up irreparably in the first game of the season, and then have to quit football. One missed day of minicamp isn't worth safeguarding his future. Anquan's sitting at home watching TV or something, it's an entirely different thing.

 

[seesred]

I was just here reading every post as I do and I think it's amazing. Last year we had a great draft. 4 starters plus. We had a great free agent signing and then topped maybe by this draft and free agent signings and we have 1 million Quan threads. We have anylised this situation a lot more than the Cardinals or Quan's agent has. I am just as guilty. BUt truth be told he is such an important player no matter which side of the issue you walk that he is the center of our world right now.

I know one thing for sure, with the new stadium around the corner, the Cardinals did not want us die hards talking about the major issue being a problem. Not to much on can Warner be the man. Yes we have talked about it. With a defense that could be right near the top of the NFL. NO managment if they would read our posts would come to the understanding. That no matter what they do if the Quan situation is not resolved he will be the subject of the 2005 season.

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[Russ Smith]

...Because school is actually really important? He's missing a few days out of a minicamp, not training camp. Hell, he could tear his knee up irreparably in the first game of the season, and then have to quit football. One missed day of minicamp isn't worth safeguarding his future. Anquan's sitting at home watching TV or something, it's an entirely different thing.

Why is school important? He's a professional athlete not a banker or whatever his major was at Penn State. The Cards pay him a contract to play football, and they play him very well. he's known the dates of this MANDATORY minicamp for ages, and yet he can't attend because of school?

He already spent 4 years at Penn State, he's entering his 3rd year in the NFL, at what point is his job going to become a priority?

Seriously try telling your employer you're missing a mandatory 3 day event with impact on your job, because you're going to school for something that in NO way is going to help you with your job.

I'm not saying QUan skipping camp is the same, or a good thing, I just don't understand why an NFL player can miss camp for school. I suppose the argument is it's probably written into his contract, in which case I would ask why would the Cards agree to something liek that when he's got plenty of money and time to attend classes in the offseason, online, any number of ways that won't cause him to miss minicamp.

 

[Solar7]

Why is school important? He's a professional athlete not a banker or whatever his major was at Penn State. The Cards pay him a contract to play football, and they play him very well. he's known the dates of this MANDATORY minicamp for ages, and yet he can't attend because of school?

He already spent 4 years at Penn State, he's entering his 3rd year in the NFL, at what point is his job going to become a priority?

Seriously try telling your employer you're missing a mandatory 3 day event with impact on your job, because you're going to school for something that in NO way is going to help you with your job.

I'm not saying QUan skipping camp is the same, or a good thing, I just don't understand why an NFL player can miss camp for school. I suppose the argument is it's probably written into his contract, in which case I would ask why would the Cards agree to something liek that when he's got plenty of money and time to attend classes in the offseason, online, any number of ways that won't cause him to miss minicamp.

First of all, he missed one day. He managed to be on the field the second two. After that one day of missed practice, he's done with school, and his degree. Isn't that a little too much to be up in arms about? He may be determined a bust, and happy he has some kind of fallback plan. I'd certainly say one missing day is worth it. More important things than football in the world, IMO.

 

[D-Dogg]

BJ asked for the exception, and it was granted. He also came in for Friday and Saturday minicamp, which suprised me...I thought he was going to miss the whole thing.

So all in all, he seems to be a VERY dedicated individual, to the betterment of himself overall and as a football player. He did BOTH. Get off BJ's back...he showed up to camp despite having to fly cross country after his classes to do so.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Why is school important? He's a professional athlete not a banker or whatever his major was at Penn State. The Cards pay him a contract to play football, and they play him very well. he's known the dates of this MANDATORY minicamp for ages, and yet he can't attend because of school?

He already spent 4 years at Penn State, he's entering his 3rd year in the NFL, at what point is his job going to become a priority?

Seriously try telling your employer you're missing a mandatory 3 day event with impact on your job, because you're going to school for something that in NO way is going to help you with your job.

I'm not saying QUan skipping camp is the same, or a good thing, I just don't understand why an NFL player can miss camp for school. I suppose the argument is it's probably written into his contract, in which case I would ask why would the Cards agree to something liek that when he's got plenty of money and time to attend classes in the offseason, online, any number of ways that won't cause him to miss minicamp.

It was one day Russ....you are making way too much of this!

 

[Pariah]

BJ asked for the exception, and it was granted. He also came in for Friday and Saturday minicamp, which suprised me...I thought he was going to miss the whole thing.

So all in all, he seems to be a VERY dedicated individual, to the betterment of himself overall and as a football player. He did BOTH. Get off BJ's back...he showed up to camp despite having to fly cross country after his classes to do so.

 

[Russ Smith]

First of all, he missed one day. He managed to be on the field the second two. After that one day of missed practice, he's done with school, and his degree. Isn't that a little too much to be up in arms about? He may be determined a bust, and happy he has some kind of fallback plan. I'd certainly say one missing day is worth it. More important things than football in the world, IMO.

I hadn't heard he made it to camp at all which was the source of my complaint. I agree missing one day is different. What I'd read was he was missing the whole thing which irritated me.

My apology to Johnson I agree if he asked permission in advance to miss one day it's a non issue.

 

[D-Dogg]

What I'd read was he was missing the whole thing which irritated me.

I was under the same impression as well, so I can see how you thought that way. I was pleasantly suprised when I heard otherwise.

 

[abomb]

BJ asked for the exception, and it was granted. He also came in for Friday and Saturday minicamp, which suprised me...I thought he was going to miss the whole thing.

So all in all, he seems to be a VERY dedicated individual, to the betterment of himself overall and as a football player. He did BOTH. Get off BJ's back...he showed up to camp despite having to fly cross country after his classes to do so.

 

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I guess he was there

Lookin more muscular too.