17.7 million left to spend....what do you hope the Cardinals do with the remaining monies?

[Card'em]

Wish list...extend Thompson, Allen and Murphy(in that order of priority) and sign a cornerback.

 

[oaken1]

They could drop a bit of it my way.

We needa NT....

Dont want to see it wasted on an edge player. We have lots of young talented dudes...put the pressure on them, let them know in no uncertain terms we nned at least one of them to step up and become a star ...right.damn.now.

 

[Metcalf Rules]

Keep it handy for bail money.

 

[PACardsFan]

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When we extended Humphries, our cap space increased by $5M. If we extend Thompson, Allen, and Murphy, am I wrong in thinking that our cap will increase even more?

 

[Shane]

When we extended Humphries, our cap space increased by $5M. If we extend Thompson, Allen, and Murphy, am I wrong in thinking that our cap will increase even more?

Yes chopper explain this how they’re all on the last year of rookie deals and their salary cap would most likely increase not decrease.

 

[PACardsFan]

Yes chopper explain this how they’re all on the last year of rookie deals and their salary cap would most likely increase not decrease.

Would love to see all three extended. 3-4 years in the same same defense is a difference maker. I’m super high on JT.

 

[Shane]

Would love to see all three extended. 3-4 years in the same same defense is a difference maker. I’m super high on JT.

That should’ve said that it would lower our cap not increase it

 

[Tyler3450]

As of August 2nd​

2022 NFL free agents by position: Remaining options include Odell Beckham Jr. and JC Tretter

Despite several big names having signed this past offseason, the list of 2022 NFL free agents remains stacked with training camp now underway.

www.profootballnetwork.com

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Wide receivers​

1) Odell Beckham Jr., Los Angeles Rams
2) Antonio Brown, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
3) Emmanuel Sanders, Buffalo Bills
4) Cole Beasley, Buffalo Bills
5) Will Fuller, Miami Dolphins
6) T.Y. Hilton, Indianapolis Colts
7) John Ross, New York Giants
8) Adam Humphries, Washington Commanders
9) Willie Snead, Carolina Panthers
10) DeSean Jackson, Las Vegas Raiders

Offensive line​

1) JC Tretter, Cleveland Browns
2) Eric Fisher, Indianapolis Colts
3) Duane Brown, Seattle Seahawks
4) Bobby Massie, Denver Broncos
5) Jason Peters, Chicago Bears
6) Brandon Shell, Seattle Seahawks
7) Tyrell Crosby, Detroit Lions

Interior defensive line​

1) Linval Joseph, Los Angeles Chargers
2) Sheldon Richardson, Cleveland Browns
3) Malik Jackson, Cleveland Browns
4) Ndamukong Suh, Tampa Bay Buccaneers

EDGE​

1) Everson Griffen, Minnesota Vikings
2) Trey Flowers, Detroit Lions
3) Jason Pierre-Paul, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
4) Carl Nassib, Las Vegas Raiders
5) Takkarist McKinley, Cleveland Browns

Linebackers​

1) Dont’a Hightower, New England Patriots
2) Anthony Hitchens, Kansas City Chiefs
3) Reggie Ragland, New York Giants
4) Alec Ogletree, Chicago Bears
5) Anthony Barr, Minnesota Vikings
6) Jamie Collins, New England Patriots

Defensive backs​

1) A.J. Bouye, Carolina Panthers
2) Chris Harris Jr., Los Angeles Chargers
3) Kevin King, Green Bay Packers
4) Xavier Rhodes, Indianapolis Colts

 

[cardsfanmd]

I’m surprised we haven’t heard anything about Harris considering he played for VJ.

 

[BritCard]

This years cap space has no bearing on extending Murphy, Thompson etc. That's all future earnings.

 

[THESMEL]

When we extended Humphries, our cap space increased by $5M. If we extend Thompson, Allen, and Murphy, am I wrong in thinking that our cap will increase even more?

But more money problems in the future, I think the NFL is about capped put marketing - the salary cap growth won’t keep growing at this rate. I’m more on the side of solid meat and taters players then stars, seeing how Kyler eats up at least 1/4 of our future.

 

[Jetstream Green]

The whole Thompson situation is going to be a cluster@#$!. 1) Does a team really pay two safeties top end money 2) Thompson is really good while having coverage advantages over Budda, so if you let him play out this season his price is going to skyrocket which is why he just might not want an early extension 3) The Cardinals will probably let him walk and move Simmons to his natural position but that is a gamble, though Simmons has all the ability one can ask for... well, will he be able to take the place of a guy which they seem to be entrusting with the green dot

 

[Shane]

The whole Thompson situation is going to be a cluster@#$!. 1) Does a team really pay two safeties top end money 2) Thompson is really good while having coverage advantages over Budda, so if you let him play out this season his price is going to skyrocket which is why he just might not want an early extension 3) The Cardinals will probably let him walk and move Simmons to his natural position but that is a gamble, though Simmons has all the ability one can ask for... well, will he be able to take the place of a guy which they seem to be entrusting with the green dot

He wants an extension guaranteed… Long-term security now is much more beneficial to him than having a possible career ending injury

 

[Jetstream Green]

He wants an extension guaranteed… Long-term security now is much more beneficial to him than having a possible career ending injury

I hope so, because I do not even think he has tapped his full potential yet

 

[tnmike]

But more money problems in the future, I think the NFL is about capped put marketing - the salary cap growth won’t keep growing at this rate. I’m more on the side of solid meat and taters players then stars, seeing how Kyler eats up at least 1/4 of our future.

 

[Shane]

I hope so, because I do not even think he has tapped his full potential yet

He’s good and I like him but he hasent done near enough to earn a top S salary imo

 

[Krangodnzr]

He’s good and I like him but he hasent done near enough to earn a top S salary imo

I know I've heard quite a few people that follow this team say that Jalen is maybe the best defensive player on the team period.

He's probably better than Budda, but I'd argue that Budda isn't quite being used properly.

 

[CardNots]

He’s good and I like him but he hasent done near enough to earn a top S salary imo

injury concerns?

the defense suffers when jalen is sidelined. I can’t say for sure how many games he’s missed but it’s been more than I like

 

[football karma]

When we extended Humphries, our cap space increased by $5M. If we extend Thompson, Allen, and Murphy, am I wrong in thinking that our cap will increase even more?

unlikely

Hump pre-extension had a cap hit of around $15mm, so there was some room to work with

Murphy has a $3.7mm hit
Thompson $2.6m
Allen $2.8m

hard to reduce those figures via extension.

The good news though is that the team could extend them and not have their current year cap hits go up too much.

 

[Chopper0080]

The whole Thompson situation is going to be a cluster@#$!. 1) Does a team really pay two safeties top end money 2) Thompson is really good while having coverage advantages over Budda, so if you let him play out this season his price is going to skyrocket which is why he just might not want an early extension 3) The Cardinals will probably let him walk and move Simmons to his natural position but that is a gamble, though Simmons has all the ability one can ask for... well, will he be able to take the place of a guy which they seem to be entrusting with the green dot

A couple notes on this.

1 - Not cost prohibitive to pay both Baker and Thompson. With how Baker's contract is structured, he has a team out year with minimal dead cap in the final 2024 year. That would be the year where a Thompson extension would have a large jump. You could either cut Baker (he would be 28) or extend him again.

2 - The Simmons situation does potentially impact this but more because of Keim. I believe most GMs would count a bird in the hand vs two in the bush and extend Jalen as his production is high right now and deal with Simmons when you get there. That said, Keim has not shown a priority in retaining his own players. He picks and chooses based upon his own criteria.

3 - Jalen will want a contract sooner vs later. The sticking point is if Keim is trying to hold out for some kind of deal. I would agree that letting Jalen play out his contract year will likely result in him leaving the Cardinals ala Chase Edmonds.

 

[Chopper0080]

I know I've heard quite a few people that follow this team say that Jalen is maybe the best defensive player on the team period.

He's probably better than Budda, but I'd argue that Budda isn't quite being used properly.

I believe that Jalen probably fits the more modern NFL game than Budda but I also know that Budda has shown the ability to be a box safety as well as a deep safety so he has displayed a lot of versatility. Without all 22 the S position can be tough to decipher. Point of note is that Budda has totaled 5 ints over the past 2 seasons following his first two years of having zero. So the lack of playmaking which was narrative around him early has faded to a degree.

Perfect world is that you keep both.

 

[Krangodnzr]

A couple notes on this.

1 - Not cost prohibitive to pay both Baker and Thompson. With how Baker's contract is structured, he has a team out year with minimal dead cap in the final 2024 year. That would be the year where a Thompson extension would have a large jump. You could either cut Baker (he would be 28) or extend him again.

2 - The Simmons situation does potentially impact this but more because of Keim. I believe most GMs would count a bird in the hand vs two in the bush and extend Jalen as his production is high right now and deal with Simmons when you get there. That said, Keim has not shown a priority in retaining his own players. He picks and chooses based upon his own criteria.

3 - Jalen will want a contract sooner vs later. The sticking point is if Keim is trying to hold out for some kind of deal. I would agree that letting Jalen play out his contract year will likely result in him leaving the Cardinals ala Chase Edmonds.

I think the more interesting conversation would be, who does the Cardinals value more, Byron Murphy or Jalen Thompson.

As much as I like Jalen, I'd probably extend Murphy over Jalen since Murphy is an above (slightly) average CB. I do wonder if the Cardinals think the way they play defense right now, that you could sign a solid veteran and replace Murphy fairly cheaply.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I think the more interesting conversation would be, who does the Cardinals value more, Byron Murphy or Jalen Thompson.

As much as I like Jalen, I'd probably extend Murphy over Jalen since Murphy is an above (slightly) average CB. I do wonder if the Cardinals think the way they play defense right now, that you could sign a solid veteran and replace Murphy fairly cheaply.

Tough choice, because obviously the better player is at the less premium position. That said, I don't think Murphy is an above average CB anywhere outside of the slot.

I'd pay Jalen over Byron, because I see Byron being our defensive version of Christian Kirk next year.

 

[Chopper0080]

I think the more interesting conversation would be, who does the Cardinals value more, Byron Murphy or Jalen Thompson.

As much as I like Jalen, I'd probably extend Murphy over Jalen since Murphy is an above (slightly) average CB. I do wonder if the Cardinals think the way they play defense right now, that you could sign a solid veteran and replace Murphy fairly cheaply.

Who do the Cardinals value more? Tough to tell. I believe the Cardinals are more confident in Jalen vs Byron. I don't believe we would hear as much about Murphy needing to play inside if the Cardinals thought that he was equal at both. The future of the defense brings this a little bit into question. It seems like the Cardinals and Vance are heading to a mutual separation but who knows. In this current defense, I believe Jalen is more valuable.

I am just very comfortable of three years of both Jalen and Baker and then drafting multiple CBs.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Tough choice, because obviously the better player is at the less premium position. That said, I don't think Murphy is an above average CB anywhere outside of the slot.

I'd pay Jalen over Byron, because I see Byron being our defensive version of Christian Kirk next year.

Except...that he was above average outside the slot so "belief" doesn't matter in the equation.