2006 Cardinals: Coaching Regimens

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I read an article in yesterday's Boston Globe about Bill Belichick's coaching regimen...and let me tell you...it was as impressive an article about coaching preparation as I have ever read.

You should see what Belichick and his staff accomplish each week...the gist of it is that he and his staff meet every morning at 6AM...game plans are set by Monday of each week...the game plans are communicated through film sessions with the players starting at 8AM, Monday mornings...and preparations for the opponent in two weeks are done every Thursday and Friday after the coaches have broken down the tapes of the opponents' last three games...so, in effect, the coaching staff is working on opponents two weeks in advance.

One has to wonder if this type of preparation is going on in Glendale under Dennis Green...what makes one wonder more than anything else is how seemingly unaware or unprepared the Cardinals are to address the other teams' tendencies on the field. For example, how could the Cardinals possibly give up contain to Mike Vick a number of times before they tried to adjust on the field. Green implied that the Cards' top priority versus Atlanta was to slow down Warrick Dunn...but, really, when one watches the Falcons on tape, is Warrick Dunn their most imposing offensive threat? One would think the priority versus the Falcons would be to keep Vick and Dunn confined to the tackle boxes, by establishing strong contain on the outside and funneling them into the middle.

When the Seahawks were playing press coverage...why did the Cardinal take forever to realize that the middle was wide open for BJ and the TEs?
Why weren't the Cardinals aware that teams would try to shadow and double Q and Fitz, especially after how prolific they were in game one versus the 49ers and how productive they both have been in recent years? Why wasn't there an anticipation of what the Seahawks and other more aggressive defenses would try to do?

It seems like, under Green, every week is all about doing the same things, regardless of the opponent...we hardly see any real wrinkles...the same old plays over and over...isn't there any effort to try to exploit teams where they are soft or weak?

When Mac was coach...same thing...it seemed as if the staff never really watched tape, and if they did, they never really broke the tape down or came up with a creative answer to the issues or an innovative game plan.

Clancy Pendergast may be the exception, because he seems well versed in the opponents' strengths and tries to adjust as the game goes along...why there was no contain on Mike Vick remains a real head scratcher...and why opposing WRs gets so much cushion from the CBs is another...but, at least, Pendergast tries to compensate for the defense's shortcoming during a game.

Some coaches believe that you do what you do well and other teams will have to try to beat you and your system.

In the NFL today, that thinking is anachronistic, because the coaching is so good that other teams will do what it takes to take away a team's strengths and tendencies.

Perfect example...yesterday...after going up 14-0, you just knew that KC was going to try to throw the kitchen sink at Leinart...they had to...so...what do the Cardinals do? They play right into KC's hand by making no adjustments...like running screen plays and draws, or simple hot routes to the TEs. As a result, Leinart is left with very little wiggle room...and the momentum clearly shifts over to the Chiefs.

When the Cardinals finally run a hot route, they run it too shallow and don't get a first down...which is really inexcusable. Bryant Johnson is capable of beating any nickel back (or in some case yesterday a linebacker) one on one in the middle...but not when he runs a two yard in pass right into the LBer.

When teams are running full scale blitzes at Leinart, the offense has to give them another little thing to think about...like, oh, we'd better cover the TE...in the Cardinals' case the TE doesn't even get looked at...and they have a 6'8" one in Leonard Pope and a 6'5" soft handed one in Adam Bergen...and when the TEs do get a look it's usually on a three yard out pass into the flat that any team can cover.

These are the reasons why the Cardinals can't compete with other teams...they are not prepared to. They just run their same old same old...while the other teams adjust and halt the Cardinals in their tracks.

Yesterday...I watched the Patriots/Dolphins game before the Cardinals' gamet...the Dolphins tried on numerous occasions to run the same screen pass that KC gouged the Cardinals with...and on every occasion Assante Samuel or some other Patriot DB was there to tackle the screen pass for a loss. The Pats knew how to read the Dolphins' screen because the coaches saw the Dolphins' screen tendencies on tape and had been versing their players in those tendencies in film rooms and on the field.

Today, that's the difference between winning and losing games in the NFL.

And, for those of you who are worried about a new coach and a new system...look at what Sean Payton is doing in New Orleans...what Scott Linehan is doing in St. Louis...these guys have their teams playing smart, opportunistic, well-prepared football...and both teams, despite their weaknesses are sitting there at 4-1 today.

Dennis Green is now 12-25.
 
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I read an article in yesterday's Boston Globe about Bill Belichick's coaching regimen...and let me tell you...it was as impressive an article about coaching preparation as I have ever read.

You should see what Belichick and his staff accomplish each week...the gist of it is that he and his staff meet every morning at 6AM...game plans are set by Monday of each week...the game plans are communicated through film sessions with the players starting at 8AM, Monday mornings...and preparations for the opponent in two weeks are done every Thursday and Friday after the coaches have broken down the tapes of the opponents' last three games...so, in effect, the coaching staff is working on opponents two weeks in advance.

One has to wonder if this type of preparation is going on in Glendale under Dennis Green...what makes one wonder more than anything else is how seemingly unaware or unprepared the Cardinals are to address the other teams' tendencies on the field. For example, how could the Cardinals possibly give up contain to Mike Vick a number of times before they tried to adjust on the field. Green implied that the Cards' top priority versus Atlanta was to slow down Warrick Dunn...but, really, when one watches the Falcons on tape, is Warrick Dunn their most imposing offensive threat? One would think the priority versus the Falcons would be to keep Vick and Dunn confined to the tackle boxes, by establishing strong contain on the outside and funneling them into the middle.

When the Seahawks were playing press coverage...why did the Cardinal take forever to realize that the middle was wide open for BJ and the TEs?
Why weren't the Cardinals aware that teams would try to shadow and double Q and Fitz, especially after how prolific they were in game one versus the 49ers and how productive they both have been in recent years? Why wasn't there an anticipation of what the Seahawks and other more aggressive defenses would try to do?

It seems like, under Green, every week is all about doing the same things, regardless of the opponent...we hardly see any real wrinkles...the same old plays over and over...isn't there any effort to try to exploit teams where they are soft or weak?

When Mac was coach...same thing...it seemed as if the staff never really watched tape, and if they did, they never really broke the tape down or came up with a creative answer to the issues or an innovative game plan.

Clancy Pendergast may be the exception, because he seems well versed in the opponents' strengths and tries to adjust as the game goes along...why there was no contain on Mike Vick remains a real head scratcher...and why opposing WRs gets so much cushion from the CBs is another...but, at least, Pendergast tries to compensate for the defense's shortcoming during a game.

Some coaches believe that you do what you do well and other teams will have to try to beat you and your system.

In the NFL today, that thinking is anachronistic, because the coaching is so good that other teams will do what it takes to take away a team's strengths and tendencies.

Perfect example...yesterday...after going up 14-0, you just knew that KC was going to try to throw the kitchen sink at Leinart...they had to...so...what do the Cardinals do? They play right into KC's hand by making no adjustments...like running screen plays and draws, or simple hot routes to the TEs. As a result, Leinart is left with very little wiggle room...and the momentum clearly shifts over to the Chiefs.

When the Cardinals finally run a hot route, they run it too shallow and don't get a first down...which is really inexcusable. Bryant Johnson is capable of beating any nickel back (or in some case yesterday a linebacker) one on one in the middle...but not when he runs a two yard in pass right into the LBer.

When teams are running full scale blitzes at Leinart, the offense has to give them another little thing to think about...like, oh, we'd better cover the TE...in the Cardinals' case the TE doesn't even get looked at...and they have a 6'8" one in Leonard Pope and a 6'5" soft handed one in Adam Bergen...and when the TEs do get a look it's usually on a three yard out pass into the flat that any team can cover.

These are the reasons why the Cardinals can't compete with other teams...they are not prepared to. They just run their same old same old...while the other teams adjust and halt the Cardinals in their tracks.

Yesterday...I watched the Patriots/Dolphins game before the Cardinals' gamet...the Dolphins tried on numerous occasions to run the same screen pass that KC gouged the Cardinals with...and on every occasion Assante Samuel or some other Patriot DB was there to tackle the screen pass for a loss. The Pats knew how to read the Dolphins' screen because the coaches saw the Dolphins' screen tendencies on tape and had been versing their players in those tendencies in film rooms and on the field.

Today, that's the difference between winning and losing games in the NFL.

And, for those of you who are worried about a new coach and a new system...look at what Sean Payton is doing in New Orleans...what Scott Linehan is doing in St. Louis...these guys have their teams playing smart, opportunistic, well-prepared football...and both teams, despite their weaknesses are sitting there at 4-1 today.

Dennis Green is now 12-25.


Which leaves us with one humbling inescapable conclusion.

Why would that smart of a coach ever take this job?

Answer.....

Until we hire a GM, NEVER!

Reason, that smart of a coach would think enough moves ahead to know, sometime, somewhere, I'm going to need one or two more players and then snap goes the checkbook shut.

Game, set and match.
 

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Your observations are right on point. Good stuff, as always.

For those that have been to Flagstaff, you know that Green has little if any interaction with what's going on around him on the practice field. He just stands there chatting with his buds. NOt really even observing what is taking place.

To me, it hints at laziness or arrogance.
 

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I read an article in yesterday's Boston Globe about Bill Belichick's coaching regimen...and let me tell you...it was as impressive an article about coaching preparation as I have ever read.

You should see what Belichick and his staff accomplish each week...the gist of it is that he and his staff meet every morning at 6AM...game plans are set by Monday of each week...the game plans are communicated through film sessions with the players starting at 8AM, Monday mornings...and preparations for the opponent in two weeks are done every Thursday and Friday after the coaches have broken down the tapes of the opponents' last three games...so, in effect, the coaching staff is working on opponents two weeks in advance.


One has to wonder if this type of preparation is going on in Glendale under Dennis Green...what makes one wonder more than anything else is how seemingly unaware or unprepared the Cardinals are to address the other teams' tendencies on the field. For example, how could the Cardinals possibly give up contain to Mike Vick a number of times before they tried to adjust on the field. Green implied that the Cards' top priority versus Atlanta was to slow down Warrick Dunn...but, really, when one watches the Falcons on tape, is Warrick Dunn their most imposing offensive threat? One would think the priority versus the Falcons would be to keep Vick and Dunn confined to the tackle boxes, by establishing strong contain on the outside and funneling them into the middle.

When the Seahawks were playing press coverage...why did the Cardinal take forever to realize that the middle was wide open for BJ and the TEs?
Why weren't the Cardinals aware that teams would try to shadow and double Q and Fitz, especially after how prolific they were in game one versus the 49ers and how productive they both have been in recent years? Why wasn't there an anticipation of what the Seahawks and other more aggressive defenses would try to do?

It seems like, under Green, every week is all about doing the same things, regardless of the opponent...we hardly see any real wrinkles...the same old plays over and over...isn't there any effort to try to exploit teams where they are soft or weak?

When Mac was coach...same thing...it seemed as if the staff never really watched tape, and if they did, they never really broke the tape down or came up with a creative answer to the issues or an innovative game plan.

Clancy Pendergast may be the exception, because he seems well versed in the opponents' strengths and tries to adjust as the game goes along...why there was no contain on Mike Vick remains a real head scratcher...and why opposing WRs gets so much cushion from the CBs is another...but, at least, Pendergast tries to compensate for the defense's shortcoming during a game.

Some coaches believe that you do what you do well and other teams will have to try to beat you and your system.

In the NFL today, that thinking is anachronistic, because the coaching is so good that other teams will do what it takes to take away a team's strengths and tendencies.

Perfect example...yesterday...after going up 14-0, you just knew that KC was going to try to throw the kitchen sink at Leinart...they had to...so...what do the Cardinals do? They play right into KC's hand by making no adjustments...like running screen plays and draws, or simple hot routes to the TEs. As a result, Leinart is left with very little wiggle room...and the momentum clearly shifts over to the Chiefs.

When the Cardinals finally run a hot route, they run it too shallow and don't get a first down...which is really inexcusable. Bryant Johnson is capable of beating any nickel back (or in some case yesterday a linebacker) one on one in the middle...but not when he runs a two yard in pass right into the LBer.

When teams are running full scale blitzes at Leinart, the offense has to give them another little thing to think about...like, oh, we'd better cover the TE...in the Cardinals' case the TE doesn't even get looked at...and they have a 6'8" one in Leonard Pope and a 6'5" soft handed one in Adam Bergen...and when the TEs do get a look it's usually on a three yard out pass into the flat that any team can cover.

These are the reasons why the Cardinals can't compete with other teams...they are not prepared to. They just run their same old same old...while the other teams adjust and halt the Cardinals in their tracks.

Yesterday...I watched the Patriots/Dolphins game before the Cardinals' gamet...the Dolphins tried on numerous occasions to run the same screen pass that KC gouged the Cardinals with...and on every occasion Assante Samuel or some other Patriot DB was there to tackle the screen pass for a loss. The Pats knew how to read the Dolphins' screen because the coaches saw the Dolphins' screen tendencies on tape and had been versing their players in those tendencies in film rooms and on the field.

Today, that's the difference between winning and losing games in the NFL.

And, for those of you who are worried about a new coach and a new system...look at what Sean Payton is doing in New Orleans...what Scott Linehan is doing in St. Louis...these guys have their teams playing smart, opportunistic, well-prepared football...and both teams, despite their weaknesses are sitting there at 4-1 today.

Dennis Green is now 12-25.

Great post!:thumbup:
 

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Which leaves us with one humbling inescapable conclusion.

Why would that smart of a coach ever take this job?

Answer.....

Until we hire a GM, NEVER!

Reason, that smart of a coach would think enough moves ahead to know, sometime, somewhere, I'm going to need one or two more players and then snap goes the checkbook shut.

Game, set and match.

Unless of course they want GM power themselves but that doesn't work out more often then not
 

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One has to wonder if this type of preparation is going on in Glendale under Dennis Green.

That's just it, we don't know. I'm not trying to attack you Mitch, but it is silly to throw around accusations without some genuine evidence about game planning or the lack of it IMO.

That doesn't mean I'm happy with the team at the moment. But there are always two sides to a story.
 
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Aren't the pats also the team in the NFL with the most college degrees on its roster? They give their players the tools to be prepared mentally, but the guys still have to perform on the field.
 

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why opposing WRs gets so much cushion from the CBs is another...but, at least, Pendergast tries to compensate for the defense's shortcoming during a game.

Well written, but you get into some trouble here. The defense lacks the ability to get consistant pressure without blitzing. When you send a 5th or 6th guy, your coverage on the back end is lacking, so you play off to protect your DBs from being run past when the blitz gets picked up. Rarely in today's games with today's rules do you see press coverage from a blitzing team, you see zones and cushions behind the blitz.


Perfect example...yesterday...after going up 14-0, you just knew that KC was going to try to throw the kitchen sink at Leinart...they had to...so...what do the Cardinals do? They play right into KC's hand by making no adjustments...like running screen plays and draws, or simple hot routes to the TEs. As a result, Leinart is left with very little wiggle room...and the momentum clearly shifts over to the Chiefs.

When teams are running full scale blitzes at Leinart, the offense has to give them another little thing to think about...like, oh, we'd better cover the TE...in the Cardinals' case the TE doesn't even get looked at...and they have a 6'8" one in Leonard Pope and a 6'5" soft handed one in Adam Bergen...and when the TEs do get a look it's usually on a three yard out pass into the flat that any team can cover.

Disappointed again. Have you seen our screen plays or draw plays? They just get a chance to tackle our RBs further behind the LOS. The line is too slow and immoble for these plays. If you don't believe me, watch any game. Now, shorter drops, quicker routes and shorter routes would work, as long as you continue to take the occasional shot down the field. Second, our TEs shouldn't be pass catchers. Denny's offense doesn't use them as such, but we keep filling the roster with them. The TE is basically a roaming guard or FB. Problem is our TEs are neither and miss repeatedly on key blocks. I'd say this lack of prowess may be literally as detrimental to the protection ans the confused O-line play we see weekly. You have 3 WRs and a RB to run your routes. The team needs a blocking FB who catches 15-20 balls a year, but helps the other players be productive


And, for those of you who are worried about a new coach and a new system...look at what Sean Payton is doing in New Orleans...what Scott Linehan is doing in St. Louis...these guys have their teams playing smart, opportunistic, well-prepared football...and both teams, despite their weaknesses are sitting there at 4-1 today.

Dennis Green is now 12-25.

I think the worst part of this is after 2+ season's Denny helped run the offense, and I saw a decent game for a rookie starting. My problem is a managerial issue. If things are that bad, Denny's responsibility is to correct it, not allow Rowen to continue to flounder when he has the skills to improve.
 

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Unless of course they want GM power themselves but that doesn't work out more often then not

The smartest ones have now figured out why that dosen't work and don't and come to their own conclusions why that dosen't work, it pits them against players they are demanding excellence out of to forget the part where I told you, you aren't that good, that was just the GM talking now go get em tiger.

Plus it's a full time job to be a head coach, how are you going to work in another full time GM job?

Again that's been done before and they all can see why and how that fails.
 

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Were they writing that about his tenure in Cleveland? Didn't think so.

I was thinking the same thing. An owner like Bob Kraft (sp?) that lets you do what you need to win does wonders.
Sorry but Billicek wouldn't even win here with these owners
 

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Were they writing that about his tenure in Cleveland? Didn't think so.

I hear that specific arguement all the time and it's a straw man arguement. It assumes each situation was equal and more importantly it assumes he's the same person now as then with the same skill set.

It dosen't factor in his eviroment or his learning from the experience.

It also illustrates my point in that if the circumstances, "ie ownership" aren't on the same page as the coach then failure will follow.

You don't know what he asked for and was given or not given and you don't know what he subsequently learned so that he did not repeat that failure which to me is the key to any successful person, it's not that he can succeed in any enviroment, it's that he observed his enviroment and moved to one he felt was more conducive to what he felt he needed to succeed.

My point is a smart coach may not see that enviroment here and until they do, they aint comming here period.
 
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And, for those of you who are worried about a new coach and a new system...look at what Scott Linehan is doing in St. Louis...these guys have their teams playing smart, opportunistic, well-prepared football...and both teams, despite their weaknesses are sitting there at 4-1 today.
First let me say that I agree with the general premise of your post, DG is not doing what is required and that is the bottom line. ( Maybe Ryanwb ought to begin stalking DG to see what time he arrives and leaves the Tempe practice facility. ;) )

However, I have seen several post lauding the accomplishments of the 4-1 Rams and that is where I take issue.

The Rams, playing at home, were lucky to get by the Broncos with Jake having a craptastic outing. St. Louis has beaten Arizona, a game gift wrapped by Kurt Warner. Additionally the Rams have beaten Detroit and Green Bay and lost to San Francisco. There is not an easier opening schedule in the NFL than what St. Louis has played.

After the next 5 games St. Louis will be 5-5, and will finish the season under .500.
 

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That's just it, we don't know. I'm not trying to attack you Mitch, but it is silly to throw around accusations without some genuine evidence about game planning or the lack of it IMO.

That doesn't mean I'm happy with the team at the moment. But there are always two sides to a story.


I think the evidence is what we, as fans, see on the field. There seems to be some serious deficiency in how the Cards game plan and how they call plays...and that leads a preson to ask exactly what Mitch is questioing here. I think a person "has to wonder if this type of preparation is going on in Glendale under Dennis Green".
 

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That's just it, we don't know. I'm not trying to attack you Mitch, but it is silly to throw around accusations without some genuine evidence about game planning or the lack of it IMO.

That doesn't mean I'm happy with the team at the moment. But there are always two sides to a story.

I think the evidence is our results. When you have the worst record in the NFL and actually have a better team on paper than some of our opponents then you have to look at coaching or lack of coaching. We do not appear to think outside the box. We repeat many of the same old mistakes and cannot adjust during the game. Until we have a real GM with GM powers we will remain the worst franchise in professional sports. It seems more clear every day to me that Michael Bidwill is the real GM and that he must have to get approval from Bill Bidwill on any big decision. We do not even have anyone with the title of GM but that makes little difference as he would still have to get approval from above. We have a terrible organizational problem. A book could be written on it. It appears to me the owners are running the business to maximize profits but in reality they are not doing that as they take a short term view. Save 10 mil this year to make 10 mil more this year. If you put a winner on the field you could double the value of the franchise. Washington is probably worth 1 billion dollars. the Cards are lucky to be worth 600 million.
 

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If you put a winner on the field you could double the value of the franchise. Washington is probably worth 1 billion dollars. the Cards are lucky to be worth 600 million.

According to Forbes


2005
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2005/30/309893.html
Team Value1 $ 673 mil (#31)

The Arizona Cardinals
are owned by William Bidwill,
who bought them in 1932
for $50,000.

Player-costs-to-win ratio8 72
2004 Coach Dennis Green


2006
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2006/30/06nfl_Arizona-Cardinals_309893.html
Team Value 1 $ 789 mil


William Bidwill
Arizona Cardinals
are owned by William Bidwill,
who bought them in 1932
for $50,000.

Wins-to-player-cost ratio 8 62
2005 Coach Dennis Green
 

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Reason, that smart of a coach would think enough moves ahead to know, sometime, somewhere, I'm going to need one or two more players and then snap goes the checkbook shut.

Game, set and match.

Yeah, Bidwills are cheap nuff said, give me a break. This team has enough talent to do far better than we are why is that ?

For sure it isn't that the Cardinals are cheap, they already have what they need to do better than 1-7.
 

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This team has enough talent to do far better than we are why is that ?
We don't have enough talent across the OL, and we all knew that coming into the season and we're just a bunch of message board idiots...don't you think that professional coaches and talent evaluators didn't know it, too?

And, why isn't the talent we do have not preforming better? for two reasons:
1. The afformentioned lack of talent on the OL
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2. Coaching (which should have been dealt with last week in the firing on DG, but wasn't...why is that?)
 

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Personally, I thought Belichek did a lousy job of coaching against the Colts last night. First of all, I thought the mentality of "We have to go for it on fourth down and score TDs every chance we get." was very surprising. Basically, he was telling his defense they weren't good enough. And, this is the one team with a really good history against Manning (except for last year). They were also pounding them pretty good with the run. But, instead of sticking with that, they ran too many cutesy screens and reverses.

Normally, Belicheck is the best, but last night......not so much.
 

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Yeah, Bidwills are cheap nuff said, give me a break. This team has enough talent to do far better than we are why is that ?

For sure it isn't that the Cardinals are cheap, they already have what they need to do better than 1-7.

Maybe it's that the message is loud and clear that winning is not a priority for ownership, and that message gets to the players on the field.
 

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However, I have seen several post lauding the accomplishments of the 4-1 Rams and that is where I take issue.

The Rams, playing at home, were lucky to get by the Broncos with Jake having a craptastic outing. St. Louis has beaten Arizona, a game gift wrapped by Kurt Warner. Additionally the Rams have beaten Detroit and Green Bay and lost to San Francisco. There is not an easier opening schedule in the NFL than what St. Louis has played.

After the next 5 games St. Louis will be 5-5, and will finish the season under .500.

Whee!!! 4-4 with road games against Seattle and Carolina over the next two weeks. Got run from the building by a Kansas City team that the Cardinals nearly beat.

Scott Linehan and Mike Nolan are good coaches. Keep that in mind. :rolleyes:
 

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And, why isn't the talent we do have not preforming better? for two reasons:
1. The afformentioned lack of talent on the OL
-and-
2. Coaching (which should have been dealt with last week in the firing on DG, but wasn't...why is that?)

We do have better than 1-7 talent.

As for why DG wasn't fired last week, I agree with the namy who have said it wouldn't have acheived anything includes Len Pasquarelli

Now at the end of the season, that'sa different matter. Either way I don't see cash at the root of this disaster they way you do.

You will like the article though, LP gets in a good cheap shot of his own with
Nor, most likely, before the end of the season, if even then.
 

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Maybe it's that the message is loud and clear that winning is not a priority for ownership, and that message gets to the players on the field.

Where is that message coming from ?

I seriously doubt MB is ending that message
 

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