2006 Draft Thread

[AZCB34]

I keep reading "Now we can draft Leinhart" or "We are now playing for the Leinhart sweepstakes". My question is:

Would Denny even chose Leinhart if the Cards had the #1 overall pick?

The dude seems to dislike drafting QBs with the highest picks and drafting Leinhart would likely mean another year of piss poor football while Leinhart watches from the sidelines OR he is thrown to the wolves...and I am not sure Denny has the luxury of a crappy season in 2006.

Also, would Leinhart pull a Manning and say "I am not going to go play for AZ"? I think this attitude is going to become more popular by players since it seemed to work for Eli. I know someone will say "Leinhart isn't that type of guy" but I really wouldn't have guessed Eli was that type of guy either.

 

[General Chaos]

If we have the top pick it will be Leinart.

 

[Pariah]

It's pretty rare that a pick refuses to play for a team and forces the hand. Elway did it and it didn't start a rash of other picks doing it. I don't think we'll see that again for quite some time.

Yes, if we had the number one pick I think Denny would take Leinhart. Why wouldn't he?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Leinhart + 1-2 years = Carson Palmer in Cincinnati

 

[AZCB34]

It's pretty rare that a pick refuses to play for a team and forces the hand. Elway did it and it didn't start a rash of other picks doing it. I don't think we'll see that again for quite some time.

Yes, if we had the number one pick I think Denny would take Leinhart. Why wouldn't he?

He knew the Cards needed a QB, why didn't he take one last year? I am not trying to resurrect the Ben R debate because it is a waste of time but I just don't think Denny likes picking QBs in the top 10.

Personally, I would take Leinhart but I just wonder when push really came to shove...would Denny?

 

[Grand Canon]

Reggie Bush

He is a Marshall Faulk type player I would rather him and sign a FA quaterback with some experience

 

[clif]

Denny would take him.. or I will personally lead the mob to run his ass outta here.

 

[AZCB34]

Leinhart + 1-2 years = Carson Palmer in Cincinnati

Denny won't have 1-2 years for him to become Carson Palmer at the rate the team is losing right now. He MAY not even have after this year if the team continues to play as it has.

 

[clif]

He knew the Cards needed a QB, why didn't he take one last year? I am not trying to resurrect the Ben R debate because it is a waste of time but I just don't think Denny likes picking QBs in the top 10.

Personally, I would take Leinhart but I just wonder when push really came to shove...would Denny?

See Daunte Culpepper to quash any debate about whether or not he would draft a Qb high

 

[Pariah]

He knew the Cards needed a QB, why didn't he take one last year? I am not trying to resurrect the Ben R debate because it is a waste of time but I just don't think Denny likes picking QBs in the top 10.

Personally, I would take Leinhart but I just wonder when push really came to shove...would Denny?

Having the number 1 pick is a lot different from having the #6 or whatever we had that year Roethlisberger came out.

Plus, there isn't a close family friend coming out in this year's draft.

And, if you're looking to history to prove that Denny doesn't take QBs in the first, then you're ignoring the fact that he took Culpepper.

 

[AZCB34]

He is a Marshall Faulk type player I would rather him and sign a FA quaterback with some experience

This is why I am asking. Would Denny bring in another FA QB and ignore the long term QB situation?

Does anyone remember what really drove him to draft Culpepper and does Leinhart have the same "thing"?

 

[Russ Smith]

I was the biggest Leinart skeptic around his soph year and to be honest the talent there now even after Mike Williams is better than it was for Palmer. They have 2 first round RB's in Bush and white, Jarett is a lock first round WR and Smith is not far behind and the most talented WR on the team is freshman Patrick Turner who's being worked into the lineup this year the way Jarrett was last year, he's the same size as Jarrett and faster.

That said, I'm convinced now that Leinart is for real and may be the rare rookie QB that can play right away. Leinart is just smart, his arm isn't a cannon but it's smart enough, he has remarkable touch, he's accurate, he leads receivers, he's tough. If he doesn't refuse to play for us, and there's a very real chance he will refuse I think we need to realize that, he is the guy I would pick.

He reminds me a lot of Brady, he just seems to see the game in slow motion or something. I've completely changed my opinion of him the last 2 years he just keeps winning and doing it no matter what happens, last year they lost their top 4 wr's, Williams, Colbert, Smith and Lewis, and he didn't miss a beat.

 

[AZCB34]

Having the number 1 pick is a lot different from having the #6 or whatever we had that year Roethlisberger came out.

Plus, there isn't a close family friend coming out in this year's draft.

And, if you're looking to history to prove that Denny doesn't take QBs in the first, then you're ignoring the fact that he took Culpepper.

Duante, if I recall correctly, wasn't taken until mid to late round 1. I am saying Denny seems to avoid taking QBs in early round 1 (top 10)

 

[Pariah]

Denny won't have 1-2 years for him to become Carson Palmer at the rate the team is losing right now. He MAY not even have after this year if the team continues to play as it has.

So what? doesn't make it the wrong choice. I don't know who was responsible for drafting Palmer for the BEngals, but they had the #1 pick and they took the kid who would help them in the future. That's what you do in the draft. Denny doesn't have the absolute say-so in the draft even though he's guided it the last two years. If he's looking for short-term fixes at the expense of long-term success then I would imagine that Graves and Bidwill would step in and say "uh-uh. We draft Leinhart." Or, "uh-uh. We draft Bush." We won't take a Tackle with the #1 pick overall, and we won't trade it away.

But, this is a stupid conversation to be having after week 3.

 

[Wild Card]

That said, I'm convinced now that Leinart is for real and may be the rare rookie QB that can play right away. Leinart is just smart, his arm isn't a cannon but it's smart enough, he has remarkable touch, he's accurate, he leads receivers, he's tough. If he doesn't refuse to play for us, and there's a very real chance he will refuse I think we need to realize that, he is the guy I would pick.

Russ:

It'll never happen. If Matt Leinart has a senior year anything close to his last season, he'll be a consensus #1. And if the Cardinals have the first overall pick, they won't be able to resist the savings and multiple picks that would result from trading down.

Think about it. There'll be no shortage of teams eager to trade up for Leinart. And some smart GM will put together a package of draft choices and/or current players that'll have the Bidwills salivating at the chance to fill multiple needs and save some money. It'll be deja vu all over again.

Leinart will never be a Cardinal. Take it to the bank.

WC

 

[AZCB34]

Having the number 1 pick is a lot different from having the #6 or whatever we had that year Roethlisberger came out.

Plus, there isn't a close family friend coming out in this year's draft.

And, if you're looking to history to prove that Denny doesn't take QBs in the first, then you're ignoring the fact that he took Culpepper.

I went and looked it up. Duante was taken #11 overall.

I still wonder if Denny will pull the trigger if the Cards get #1 overall. I would.

 

[AZCB34]

But, this is a stupid conversation to be having after week 3.

OK

 

[joeshmo]

Its never to early, gosh darn it. Theres only 215 days left.

Lienart is gone by our pick, so

We draft LT - D'Brickashaw Ferguson - The kid is going to be a franchise type LT for years from the get go. Thats right I said it.

Move Big back to LG, Ross to RG, And draft 6 RT's in rounds 2-7 hoping at least one of them has got to pan out as a starter right off the bat, right. Then who ever isnt the starter we make the next best 2 rookie RT's and make them backups cross trained as a OG and OT, then the other 3 remaining rookie RT's we train them as NT's.

Thats my plan and I am sticking to it.

 

[Pariah]

Okay, here's your Arizona Cardinals first 4 rounds of 2006:

1st (#3 overall): Omar Jacobs, QB, Bowling Green
2nd: Davin Joseph, OG/OT, Oklahoma
3rd: Graling Love, OG, ASU
4th: Gerald Anderson, DT, Gerogia

My only lock in this mock is that it is 75-100% wrong.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

No No No we need the franchise QB and Matt Leinert is as cant miss as possible. Intangibles, arm, height, big time program, he has it all. I was initially worried about Lienert trying to pull an Eli but think about this...

Closest team to LA

Boldin and Fitz

Gets to keep wearing Red

If Bidwill is smart he will tell green to junk the season, draft this kid, and then have the countries second largest media market have a new favorite team. How many SC fans will think " i didnt like the Cards before but now with my boy Matty i will be cheering for them." Hello revenue...Jerseys sales, games telecast in LA, Monday night games, this kid will bring all the hype. If he produces at any where near that level, we will be finally in good hands.///

Denny should be promoted into the front office where he has say on Free Agency and Drafting (something i feel may be already worked out) and then we need to go get an young mind who is a no nonsense kind of guy. The early list for me is:

Jeff Tedford
Brad Childress
Sean Payton
Kirk Ferentz

all offensive minds who would take the promotion. Maybe even get Peter Carroll another try and take them in a combo deal...Then we wait for Billy Bidwill to pass on or go into a comatose state, and change the name. I mean seriously guys, we are cursed, Damn Pottsville has just cursed this franchise. Its just not as sexy as the Bambino or a Billy Goat (and if a billy goat is sexy for ya, you should probaly be at another site anyway) so you never hear about the "pottsville curse"

Mike convinced the older Biwell to do the uniforms and logo, and im sure that was like pulling teeth. But they need to take it one step further....So i bring you...

The Arizona Phoenix

You know like a firebird, its original, is a clever play on words, and is actually pertinent to Arizona, unlike the red bird. We could also have a symbol much like the Phoenix Firebirds on the side of the helmet. Now that would be nice....

Basically guys i have never been so distraught and i am convinced that the whole damn thing needs to be blown up. No more bandaids...., no D'brickshaw, no Omar jacobs, nothing...we need a fail safe guy and the soon to be two time heisman winner is the only one (although i think bush is the second coming of gale sayers but we need a QB) We need to rid ourselves of the whole damn cardinal legacy. What is Bill holding on to...we are a lughingstock and something needs to be done. The above may sound implausible, but does anyone have a better suggestion....

 

[ajcardfan]

I think the 2006 draft is going to be much, much better at the QB position than 2005 was. Aaron Rodgers was the only possible choice at number 8 and I'm very glad we didn't take him. Trying to equate passing on Rodgers, or even Roethlisberger, to passing on Leinart just doesn't add up. Both of those guys had far more questions about them than Leinart will.

 

[Russ Smith]

I think the 2006 draft is going to be much, much better at the QB position than 2005 was. Aaron Rodgers was the only possible choice at number 8 and I'm very glad we didn't take him. Trying to equate passing on Rodgers, or even Roethlisberger, to passing on Leinart just doesn't add up. Both of those guys had far more questions about them than Leinart will.

Rodgers at 8 largely because once he started slipping it became clear he'd go much later than 8 and if you wanted him, you should move down. Slow start in Green Bay although I still think he'll be good.

I do think physically several guys this year will be much better than Aaron, Leinart is much taller, as is Jacobs. I still really like Leak although he's short, I know Whitehurst is getting love now too.

The most promising underclassmen I've seen is Brian Brohm of Louisville but he's a soph and unable to come out so he'll not factor into our plans. Really talented kid though.

 

[Mrospi]

1st round

Reggie Bush or Adrian Peterson RB's

2nd Round

Anthony Fasano TE ( The full package)

2 problems solved.....

Then a heavy dose of OL & DL

 

[azdad1978]

Denny would take him.. or I will personally lead the mob to run his ass outta here.

 

[Russ Smith]

1st round

Reggie Bush or Adrian Peterson RB's

2nd Round

Anthony Fasano TE ( The full package)

2 problems solved.....

Then a heavy dose of OL & DL

Peterson is not draft eligible.

Bush is in for sure, he's been taking summer school his whole time at USC so he can graduate in 3 years.