2006 World Cup

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Dback Jon said:
So Bruce Arena refused to shake the Ghanian coaches hand?

he shook his hand:

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/sports/articles/0623usasider0623.html
"Arena kept talking in the referee's direction after the penalty kick until an assistant coach pulled him away. He also waved his arm at Merk when the final whistle sounded, turned and walked off, leaving American players out on the field. Arena congratulated Ghana coach Ratomir Dujkovic under the stands, outside the locker rooms."
 

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A few pieces of news:

- Reyna retires from international play
- De Rossi suspended 4 games
- Pablo suspended 3 games
 

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3-game ban is pretty standard for red cards issued after challenges like that, but Rossi should have gotten at least a 5 game suspension for his elbow (especially because he is a repeated offender).
 
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Great Article

This was on ESPN.Com...

Donovan needs to leave his comfort zone

Ives Galarcep
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NUREMBERG, Germany --The enduring images of Landon Donovan's 2006 World Cup will not be of goals he scored (he didn't score any) or plays he made (he didn't make many). What will be remembered is how the team's most talented player came up small on the stage he was supposed to thrive on.

There were the poor shots, the terrible free kicks and corner kicks, and the poorly timed runs and poorly placed passes, but for all the disappointing moments of Donovan's tournament, one stands out. There he was, bearing in on goal late in the second half against Ghana, dancing in front of a defender and making progress toward a potential goal. The pro-United States crowd held its collective breath, anticipating the long-awaited moment of brilliance from the 2002 World Cup star.

Did he shoot the ball? No, Landon chose instead to drop off a pass to Ben Olsen. Yes, with the game on the line, Landon deferred to one of the last players chosen to the U.S. roster.

As much as the World Cup is about teams coming together, it is even more so about the best players in the world taking charge and leading their countries at the game's highest level. The U.S. team's veteran stars, Kasey Keller and Claudio Reyna, did their part, but it was painfully obvious for two and a half of the team's three matches that Donovan just wasn't ready to take charge.

If anything, Donovan provided clear-cut evidence that it is time for him to pack his bags, sell his beachside condo in California and go back to Europe. He has sold us on a bill of goods for more than a year about being a better player when he is comfortable. Being comfortable doesn't make you a better player. Being comfortable makes you a comfortable player.

Donovan -- and any soccer player worth his golden spikes -- needs pressure to evolve. Pressure makes diamonds, busts pipes and turns soccer players into big-game stars. The World's best players, be they European or South American, live a life of continuous pressure to perform. Do it all the time, and suddenly the World Cup doesn't feel like some overwhelming experience, which is exactly what it was for Donovan, who came into this tournament with expectations he didn't have to deal with four years ago.

If Donovan wants to continue to ignore his critics, he should listen to his own national team coach and the player he is slated to replace as national team captain. Bruce Arena and Reyna spoke candidly about the rewards Donovan could reap from giving up comfort and accepting the challenge of pushing himself in Europe.

"He's in a real soccer environment every day, year-round pressure," Arena said about what Donovan would gain from going back to Europe. "He'd deal with all the tough games. Even though it looks glorious from a distance, playing in Europe is a grind.

"On a daily basis, there's competition within your team. There's pressure to win games. There's promotion and relegation. It's the real thing, and in the end, the cream rises and you see the top players prevail and it positions you to be much more successful at the international level."

Donovan should take a closer look at Reyna's career. Reyna was regarded as the United States' next great star more than a decade ago and, like Donovan, Reyna started out with German club Bayer Leverkusen. The first year at Bayer was difficult for Reyna, but rather than give up on his European dream, he sought a change of clubs. The rest of his club career has included successful stints in Scotland and England, with moves to bigger clubs at each point in his career.

"It's made me a better player, and you need to learn from bad times, as well," Reyna said. "More than anything, this World Cup for a lot of the guys will be the biggest learning experience so far in their career. That's something you definitely get in Europe. That helped me get better."

You didn't have to look any further than to the star players of the two teams that beat the United States in this World Cup for stories similar to Reyna's. Czech midfielder Tomas Rosicky and Ghanaian midfielder Michael Essien played in the same Under-17 World Championships as Donovan just seven years ago. Donovan was the star of that tournament, but Rosicky and Essien are the players who left their countries afterward to hone their skills in Europe's top leagues and stayed there.

Neither player went running back to his home country when things got tough. Both stuck it out, and look at them now. Essien is one of the world's most highly rated players, and Rosicky just moved to English power Arsenal. At this World Cup, each has starred for his country and helped his nation win games.

As Reyna was careful to point out, it is still Donovan's decision. He has to decide his professional career and national team career are important enough to him to sacrifice the comfort he enjoys playing in MLS, a league that stopped being a challenge for him years ago. This isn't an attack on MLS. This is reality. For all the strides the young league has made, it still is not equipped to help the truly elite player grow.

Consider that the league's top players face no pressure for their starting job; they play in a playoff system that basically makes most regular-season matches devoid of true significance or intensity. Then there is the general lack of quality of talent as compared with the top leagues in Europe. There isn't an MLS defender Donovan can't destroy.

So where is the challenge supposed to come from for Donovan if he chooses to stay in MLS? The United States doesn't have a high-quality regional tournament to play in like the European Championships, and even World Cup qualifying offers only a handful of truly pressure-packed matches. So while the best players from other countries are honing their skills in the best possible scenarios, Donovan remains content to live the life of leisure.

It is certainly his life and his decision to make, but if he continues to insist on treating his career as something other than his highest priority, maybe it is time to look elsewhere for the U.S. team's next true star. As scary as it is to consider, maybe Donovan just isn't cut out for stardom. Maybe he's just not built to handle the pressure.

And maybe, just maybe, the U.S. national team should look elsewhere for its next captain. Perhaps Reyna's successor as captain should be a player such as Oguchi Onyewu, who has gone to Europe to become a better player and has been willing to go wherever he has to to continue growing as a player. It should come as no surprise that Onyewu played fearlessly in this World Cup, taking on some of the tournament's best players and holding his own every time.

That should have been Donovan. Instead of starring, Donovan seemed to hide in the background as some of his own teammates showed more bravery and willingness to fight than he did. It was hardly the display you would want from a future captain, and perhaps it was fitting that Donovan spent part of his time on the field after Reyna went off struggling to keep the captain's armband on his arm.

Ultimately, we must remember that Donovan is just 24. He is still maturing, and he could wake up sometime soon and realize what he needs to do. It is all up to Donovan, who has a major decision to make. Does he want to be remembered as an amazing soccer player who made the most of his talent, or does he want to be remembered as the incredible talent who cared more about being comfortable than being great?


The US best players should strive to find better competition, I see a transfer for Johnson and Dempsey in the near future. Their development will likely make them more valuable to the US team than Donovan if he chooses to stay in MLS.

This is why I think players like Whitbred, Spector and Nguyen will develop in to quality US players over the next few years. They all play in top leagues in Europe and will face stronger competition at the practice field than most MLS players will face on gameday.
 

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Well, I was right on most of my calls, including on who would finish first and who would finish second. I even had Switzerland finishing ahead of France.
Mistakes:

I had Costa Rica instead of Ecuador
I had Mexico as 1 and Iran as 2 with Portugal bouncing
I had us making it as the 2 seed instead of Ghana


Now, this is what I see from now on:

Germany over Sweden
Argentina over Mexico
England over Ecuador
Netherlands over Portugal
Italy over Australia
Switzerland over Ukraine
Brazil over Ghana
France over Spain

I really, REALLY want to take Spain over France, but I had France beating them in my original bracket, and I have to stick to it. Other than that, I simply subbed in the correct team if I made a mistake, and stuck to my guns. I had the U.S. beating Brazil, but since we didn't make it through, I chose Brazil over the U.S.
 
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Stout said:
Now, this is what I see from now on:

Germany over Sweden
Argentina over Mexico
England over Ecuador
Netherlands over Portugal
Italy over Australia
Switzerland over Ukraine
Brazil over Ghana
France over Spain

I have Portugal over Netherlands, Ukraine over the Swiss and Spain over France--every other pick we have the same.
 

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Oh, man...Argentina just scored its second goal! That was beautiful.

:thud:
 

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The officiating has almost made me stop watching at this point. Anyone see the handball on Ukraine against Tunisia. Tunisia was just robbed all match long.

Part of the problem is that these refs officiate as a second job. They need to straighten that whole mess out and have official referees.
 

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krepitch said:
Oh, man...Argentina just scored its second goal! That was beautiful.

:thud:

dogpoo32 said:
That was an awesome shot. Definitely one of the best in the tournament so far.

Ugh...there was a previous goal by Messi that was disallowed by the lines official...that really could have saved an additional 30 minutes of stress...However that shot from Maxi really made up for it.

:fans:
 

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Zeno said:
I have Portugal over Netherlands, Ukraine over the Swiss and Spain over France--every other pick we have the same.

I'm pretty sure the Swiss would have taken care of the Ukraine, but with Senderos out now? Hmm. Well, I'm sticking with them. I'm still not convinced with Portugal. Sure, the Netherlands can implode as a team at any time, but Christiano Ronaldo is just waaaay to easy to manipulate into a temper tantrum.
 

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swd1974 said:
Part of the problem is that these refs officiate as a second job. They need to straighten that whole mess out and have official referees.
The ref who committed the biggest blunder during the tournament, Graham Poll, is one of the two professional refs in the tournament. Dont see how it helped him...

Refs like Merk or other German upper-tier refs (by ranking, dont want to discuss his performance) work at least one game a week on average, taking Bundesliga, second division, national and international cup games,etc into account. Even professional refs could hardly work more games, since there is a very limited amount of midweek games.
 
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Stout said:
I'm pretty sure the Swiss would have taken care of the Ukraine, but with Senderos out now? Hmm. Well, I'm sticking with them. I'm still not convinced with Portugal. Sure, the Netherlands can implode as a team at any time, but Christiano Ronaldo is just waaaay to easy to manipulate into a temper tantrum.

I just am not real impressed by the Swiss, having watched 2 of their matches. Didn't seem very dangerous and not very creative. The Ukranians are inconsistent but they have the star power up front to present problems.

As for Portugal, I just think Figo knows this is his last chance and will leave everything he has on the field and do whatever it takes to get his team to win. C. Ronaldo is a highlight film with his fancy moves and speed but he often to me seems more interested in making those highlight moves than actually doing something dangerous with the ball--and as you said he is terribly immature....but I like Deco and Pauleta and the Portugese have a solid bench (plus a little homerism in that my family's roots are from Portugal).

I like the Netherlands too though and would not be too upset if they advance as they do play very good and very watchable soccer.
 

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Zeno said:
I just am not real impressed by the Swiss, having watched 2 of their matches. Didn't seem very dangerous and not very creative. The Ukranians are inconsistent but they have the star power up front to present problems.

As for Portugal, I just think Figo knows this is his last chance and will leave everything he has on the field and do whatever it takes to get his team to win. C. Ronaldo is a highlight film with his fancy moves and speed but he often to me seems more interested in making those highlight moves than actually doing something dangerous with the ball--and as you said he is terribly immature....but I like Deco and Pauleta and the Portugese have a solid bench (plus a little homerism in that my family's roots are from Portugal).

I like the Netherlands too though and would not be too upset if they advance as they do play very good and very watchable soccer.

Well, Portugal makes it through, but will be really shorthanded in the match against England. Lucky for them England has no semblance of a team right now.
 

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FYI, espn.com is showing the Italy/Australia game live. Hopefully the later game will be on, too, but I don't know if it will be.
 

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Why is FIFA getting all over the ref of the Portugal/Netherlands game? He is probably the best ref on the field. All those cards were warrented. He could have gave out a few more reds if you ask me.

Why no outrage for refs that miss obvious hand balls in the box, or make up phantoms fouls and cards?
 

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