2007: Let's complain about Larry Fitzgerald Thread

[82CardsGrad]

and I am not even including the 2003 season with just Boldin when the team went 4-12.

In the 56 games that the Arizona Cardinals have had Boldin and Fitzgerald the Cardinals have managed to go 19-37. In the 56 games before Boldin and Fitzgerald (1999-first 8 games of 2002) the team went 20-36.

The apologists will say that there are 1000 other reasons why this team has sucked that bad and I will agree. However, lets not forget that the 56 games prior to Quan/Fitz we were coached by Vince Tobin/Dave McGinnis with what is considered by many on this board as the darkest time talent wise in this worthless organizations history. Will anyone disagree that talent wise we are better overall and the talent surrounding our dynamic duo is much better than the 1999-2002 era?

So what does this mean? Once again the aplogists will say absolutely nothing. I disagree wholeheartedly. To me this means that this duo brings absolutely no impact to the team in the area most needed, wins and losses. How can we be terrible between 1999-2002 with recievers like Frank Sanders/Rob Moore (injured most of the time)/Bryan Gilmore etc.. and still have a better record with those guys then we do with what many on this board consider to be the best duo in the league with more talent than the former group ever had overall?

Please explain this to me?

Umm.. we're the Cardinals??

 

[RON_IN_OC]

and I am not even including the 2003 season with just Boldin when the team went 4-12.

In the 56 games that the Arizona Cardinals have had Boldin and Fitzgerald the Cardinals have managed to go 19-37. In the 56 games before Boldin and Fitzgerald (1999-first 8 games of 2002) the team went 20-36.

The apologists will say that there are 1000 other reasons why this team has sucked that bad and I will agree. However, lets not forget that the 56 games prior to Quan/Fitz we were coached by Vince Tobin/Dave McGinnis with what is considered by many on this board as the darkest time talent wise in this worthless organizations history. Will anyone disagree that talent wise we are better overall and the talent surrounding our dynamic duo is much better than the 1999-2002 era?

So what does this mean? Once again the aplogists will say absolutely nothing. I disagree wholeheartedly. To me this means that this duo brings absolutely no impact to the team in the area most needed, wins and losses. How can we be terrible between 1999-2002 with recievers like Frank Sanders/Rob Moore (injured most of the time)/Bryan Gilmore etc.. and still have a better record with those guys then we do with what many on this board consider to be the best duo in the league with more talent than the former group ever had overall?

Please explain this to me?

It's similar to the time, in which the Bengals had Darnay Scott and Carl Pickens...those two guys were considered one of the best WR duos, at that time, and the Bengals sucked butt. Heck, they even had a Jeff Blake that could throw the deep ball better than anyone...at that stage of his career.

 

[Assface]

What exactly is the point that you're trying to make? We haven't won many games with Fitz and Boldin at WR....so, what's your solution?

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

What exactly is the point that you're trying to make? We haven't won many games with Fitz and Boldin at WR....so, what's your solution?

The solution is we better never give Fitzgerald the monster extension he and his agent will be demanding in the very near future. Graves has the option of either keeping Fitzgerald's current deal and having a cap number at close to 15 million dollars next year or breaking the bank and giving the guy an extension that he does not deserve. Anyone who thinks Fitzgerald will accept anything less than being one of the top 2-3 highest paid recievers is nuts.

He will ask for the world and most likely we will cave and give it to him and we still have to go out and pay good money for another speed reciever.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

It all goes back to a lack of a running game. I know Edge got 1000+ yards last season but it was on 600 carries. Murrel was the legitimate ground gainer and he wasn't anything to write home about. Maybe one of these years, the Cards will figure out that having a marquee back makes the OL better.

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

What exactly is the point that you're trying to make? We haven't won many games with Fitz and Boldin at WR....so, what's your solution?

My point is that we are probably faced this offseason with giving an insane extension to Fitzgerald and that will result in the necessity to give Boldin's contact a look and these guys have done zilcho in terms of helping this team win games.

 

[Assface]

The solution is we better never give Fitzgerald the monster extension he and his agent will be demanding in the very near future. Graves has the option of either keeping Fitzgerald's current deal and having a cap number at close to 15 million dollars next year or breaking the bank and giving the guy an extension that he does not deserve. Anyone who thinks Fitzgerald will accept anything less than being one of the top 2-3 highest paid recievers is nuts.

He will ask for the world and most likely we will cave and give it to him and we still have to go out and pay good money for another speed reciever.

Personally I wanted Roy Williams instead of Fitz. If Green wasn't the coach I'm not so sure Fitz is the pick. With DG gone Larry's future here isn't a sure thing, especially with a $15 mil price tag.

Maybe we'll trade him to New England for a 3rd round pick.

 

[freebyrd]

wow that is a frightening set of facts you have there, there is no denying that fitz and boldin are better talent wise than those other scrubs, though sanders was very good at times,
perhaps we are not utilizing them the way we should?
i don't know, i'll say one thing about fitz hes a great possession receiver but he's not gonna out run anybody in that play today when he inexplicably stepped out of bounds, he was still gonna get run down from behind,

maybe since we are always playing from behind it pads boldin and fitzs statistics and allows for some more spectacular highlight reel material which gives us as fans and the league in general the illusion that they are better than they really are
that was hard for me to type but maybe its time to face the cold hard facts
freebyrd

 

[dogpoo32]

Simple answer. Lock up Q and trade Fitz. Fitz is a great talent, but I don't recall ever seeing him run one in from a distance. He had a chance today, but he proved he is only good in the air. Let him catch then fall. Trade him while we can still get something. I like the guy, and he is exciting, but winning is more important. He has not shown the heart or play making ability that the Quan has.

 

[Shogun]

To the seventh circle of Hell with you all wanting to get rid of Fitzgerald. I swear that you all disgust me sometimes, damn. Last year it was Edge, now this. Come the hell on, you guys.

 

[dogpoo32]

To the seventh circle of Hell with you all wanting to get rid of Fitzgerald. I swear that you all disgust me sometimes, damn. Last year it was Edge, now this. Come the hell on, you guys.

You're right. He does nothing but score touchdowns, stay in bounds and hold onto the ball. I apologize.

 

[Assface]

You're right. He does nothing but score touchdowns, stay in bounds and hold onto the ball. I apologize.

lol

 

[Shogun]

You're right. He does nothing but score touchdowns, stay in bounds and hold onto the ball. I apologize.

Like your savior 'Quan has done better?

 

[dogpoo32]

Like your savior 'Quan has done better?

You mean his 5 TDs aren't better than Fitz's 1? Even with missing a couple games? You mean that any chance he gets to get to the endzone he gets there? You mean playing with a fire and running people over instead of getting down and fumbling? Bad comparison. Fitz makes catches, yay. Fitz had a great year last year. Fitz is a great talent, and I love him on our team. He is worth a lot in a trade, and unless he can turn it up, the magical beans look awfully tempting. I would love it if he stayed a Cardinal his entire career. Problem is, the organization has a habit of making bad moves. Lets hope that whatever they do is the right decision.

 

[slanidrac16]

In reality there is nobody on this teamthat could be deemed as untouchable. If it would improve our team then I'd be all for it.

That being said, not to many teams have millions tied up on 2 receivers. Reggie Wayne and Harrison may be the exception, however , teams usually have 1 great receiver and a 2nd very good receiver.
Chad Johnson would be the Bengals great wr and Houshyourmama has developed int a very good #2, but he wasn't the 3rd pick of the draft.

The Lions tried loading up on WR's and it set them back for years.

Look at the impact of guys like Welker and Curtis. The Bears went to the super bowl with a less than stellar wr corp. They defeated the Seahawks and the same could be said for them. The Saints seem to do well with Colston who I believe was a 7th round pick. The Steelers a couple of years ago had Hines Ward and "other " guys. San Diego didn't even have a good Wr last year depending almost entirely on Antonio Gates.

I'm not saying we could or should get rid of Fitz and replace him with Bryan Gilmore. What I am saying is I want to win. If it meant our Qb was throwing to a duo of wr's like Boldin and Berrian( just an example) and we were WINNING, then I really wouldn't care if Fitz was part of our mix.

 

[Pariah]

The Lions tried loading up on WR's and it set them back for years.

This might be a bad example to trot out this season. They look like they'll win the North and have a good a shot as anyone to lose to NE in the SB.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Fitz and Boldin aren't the problem.

This is madness!!

This

Is

Cardinals!

We have so many injuries we have to play a 1 armed QB.

 

[Assface]

Fitz and Boldin aren't the problem.

This is madness!!

This

Is

Cardinals!

We have so many injuries we have to play a 1 armed QB.

I think Warner's turnovers are because he's nervous about Dr. Kimble chasing after him.

 

[dogpoo32]

This might be a bad example to trot out this season. They look like they'll win the North and have a good a shot as anyone to lose to NE in the SB.

While I agree that Detroit is very much improved, I don't think they will go that far. Hell GB isn't giving up. Who would have thought that that division would be this good this year. As far as receivers, Boldin and Fitz are the same type of WR. We know this, lets move on. **** or get off the pot. If they are our WRs for years to come, I cannot complain. We can pick up a third receiver who actually gets on camera and be improved from BJ.

 

[Shogun]

So basically you said he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. In that regard I agree because it's apparent that NOTHING Larry Fitzgerald does here will amount to nothing because will constantly be compared unfairly because he's not the fan's favorite. Don't feed me that "I think he's a great talent....I like Fitz" BS when every week there's a "Trade Fitz" post/thread, but when Quan doesn't show up or makes a mistake NO ONE brings it to attention.

"Anquan Boldin is a running back wearing a receivers number! He (tries to) runs over corners and shouts and screams after every play, yay for him! That MUST mean he's better because it shows he cares. Marvin Harrison doesn't even compare to The Almighty Q because because he avoids contact and is emotionless on the field." ~ The average 'Quan fan.

Ugh, spare me.

EDIT:

That being said, not to many teams have millions tied up on 2 receivers. Reggie Wayne and Harrison may be the exception, however , teams usually have 1 great receiver and a 2nd very good receiver.

We already have that - Larry and 'Quan. And several teams have millions tied to receivers, what those teams do have is solid QB play. Which we haven't had.

 

[dogpoo32]

So basically you said he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. In that regard I agree because it's apparent that NOTHING Larry Fitzgerald does here will amount to nothing because will constantly be compared unfairly because he's not the fan's favorite. Don't feed me that "I think he's a great talent....I like Fitz" BS when every week there's a "Trade Fitz" post/thread, but when Quan doesn't show up or makes a mistake NO ONE brings it to attention.

"Anquan Boldin is a running back wearing a receivers number! He (tries to) runs over corners and shouts and screams after every play, yay for him! That MUST mean he's better because it shows he cares. Marvin Harrison doesn't even compare to The Almighty Q because because he avoids contact and is emotionless on the field." ~ The average 'Quan fan.

Ugh, spare me.

He scores, leads the team and doesn't turn the ball over. RAWR! Grown as man! etc... Marvin Harrison lets his game speak for itself. He scores butt loads of TDs. I am a Fitz fan. So long as he wears a Cards' uniform, I will cheer. I just wish his output on the field was worth his draft pick and cost. He is an amazing athlete, but he is no Quan. Face it. Yay for Quan defying odds and physics. The "alrighty" Fitz is just that. A great receiver between the endzones.

 

[Assface]

So basically you said he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. In that regard I agree because it's apparent that NOTHING Larry Fitzgerald does here will amount to nothing because will constantly be compared unfairly because he's not the fan's favorite. Don't feed me that "I think he's a great talent....I like Fitz" BS when every week there's a "Trade Fitz" post/thread, but when Quan doesn't show up or makes a mistake NO ONE brings it to attention.

"Anquan Boldin is a running back wearing a receivers number! He (tries to) runs over corners and shouts and screams after every play, yay for him! That MUST mean he's better because it shows he cares. Marvin Harrison doesn't even compare to The Almighty Q because because he avoids contact and is emotionless on the field." ~ The average 'Quan fan.

Ugh, spare me.

False. When Q does bad it is mentioned. It's just that 1. he doesn't screw up as often as Fitz and 2. he makes more great plays than bad ones.

BTW, why did you have "tries to" separated like that? That's saying that he attempts to run over defensive backs and fails when he does, in fact, run many of them over. If Q wasn't running those guys over regularly then he wouldn't be the fan favorite that he is.

What exactly has Fitz done to make you his staunch defender? We don't have a ton of threads asking for him to be traded and he's not under constant attack from posters like you make it sound. It's kind of hypocritical that you follow up your defense of Fitz by blasting Boldin.

 

[Shogun]

I just wish his output on the field was worth his draft pick and cost. He is an amazing athlete, but he is no Quan. Face it. Yay for Quan defying odds and physics.

You and others MUST have a different form of value because he's been performing VERY well. And I don't get when people say "He's no 'Quan." to me. Hey! You like him better. Good for you! E-High-fives all around. But apparently unlike you guys, I like actual WIDE RECEIVERS, so you ARE right. He is no 'Quan. He's better. Face it. (see, I can do that, too )

Yay for 'Quan's overratedness.

 

[dogpoo32]

You and others MUST have a different form of value because he's been performing VERY well. And I don't get when people say "He's no 'Quan." to me. Hey! You like him better. Good for you! E-High-fives all around. But apparently unlike you guys, I like actual WIDE RECEIVERS, so you ARE right. He is no 'Quan. He's better. Face it. (see, I can do that, too )

Yay for 'Quan's overratedness.

Cue Fitz running out of bounds today then holding his head because he realizes that in fact.... he is no Quan. 55 receptions for Fitz this season with 1 touchdown. That is... 55 catches to each TD. That helps tremendously. I am glad we had Fitz to get us in FG range.

 

[Assface]

Cue Fitz running out of bounds today then holding his head because he realizes that in fact.... he is no Quan. 55 receptions for Fitz this season with 1 touchdown. That is... 55 catches to each TD. That helps tremendously. I am glad we had Fitz to get us in FG range.

That's what real WIDE RECEIVERS do. Q should take notes from someone who knows how to play the position like it's supposed to be played.