2007: Let's complain about Larry Fitzgerald Thread

[Shogun]

False. When Q does bad it is mentioned. It's just that 1. he doesn't screw up as often as Fitz and 2. he makes more great plays than bad ones.

1. Show me the threads where people to called out Q? I see on or two post sprinkled every now and again but show me a thread with 10+ posts.

2. So Larry doesn't make more great plays than bad? Seriously?

BTW, why did you have "tries to" separated like that? That's saying that he attempts to run over defensive backs and fails when he does, in fact, run many of them over. If Q wasn't running those guys over regularly then he wouldn't be the fan favorite that he is.

Because I can. It obviously achieved the desired effect. U MAD?

What exactly has Fitz done to make you his staunch defender? We don't have a ton of threads asking for him to be traded and he's not under constant attack from posters like you make it sound. It's kind of hypocritical that you follow up your defense of Fitz by blasting Boldin.

I didn't know that not drinking the 'Quan kool-aid made me a staunch defender and Q basher. Is it bashing that I say the following:

1. He (Q) is not the best receiver on this team.
2. No one calls out his stink like they do Fitzgerald'a.
3. Q worshipers treat Fitz like he isn't moving the ball down field for us.
4. I see a lot more "I wanted (jabroni receiver) more than Fitz", "Keep Q, trade Fitz", "WTF, Larry?!" posts at an impressive clip than I do the "WTH, Q" posts. I don't want to hear that Q doesn't make mistakes nonsense.

 

[dogpoo32]

1. Show me the threads where people to called out Q? I see on or two post sprinkled every now and again but show me a thread with 10+ posts.

2. So Larry doesn't make more great plays than bad? Seriously?
Because I can. It obviously achieved the desired effect. U MAD? I didn't know that not drinking the 'Quan kool-aid made me a staunch defender and Q basher. Is it bashing that I say the following:

1. He (Q) is not the best receiver on this team.
2. No one calls out his stink like they do Fitzgerald'a.
3. Q worshipers treat Fitz like he isn't moving the ball down field for us.
4. I see a lot more "I wanted (jabroni receiver) more than Fitz", "Keep Q, trade Fitz", "WTF, Larry?!" posts at an impressive clip than I do the "WTH, Q" posts. I don't want to hear that Q doesn't make mistakes nonsense.

Fitz has more fumbles than he does TD's by far. He has hurt us on 2 crucial drives this season by not holding onto the ball. I was pissed that Q dropped a pass today. I was also pissed when Fitz ran OB and when he dropped a pass. I was also pissed every other time each screwed up. Like buttnose said, Fitz screws up more. I am a Fitz fan, really, but you are making an unfair comparison because Q makes plays that result in TD's. Like I said, Fitz has been good at getting us close to the endzone, but not in.

 

[Shogun]

No point in saving the lost when they don't want to be saved.

Bah, whatever. Trade him. Please do. Send to a team where a team where the fans will actually give him his due.

*walks out of thread playing Whitesnake*

Ain't no love in the heart of the city,
Ain't no love in the heart of town.
Ain't no love, sure 'nuff is a pity, child...

 

[Duckjake]

Good old Cardinals. I posted a similar thread back when everyone was blaming Plummer for all our losses. The Cards record was the same before he started as it was with him as starter and has been about the same or slightly worse since he left.

No need to bag on Q or Fitz when you understand that nobody in 20 years has helped this team win more or less than any other guy who played his position.

 

[Assface]

1. Show me the threads where people to called out Q? I see on or two post sprinkled every now and again but show me a thread with 10+ posts.

When has Boldin given us reason to this year?

2. So Larry doesn't make more great plays than bad? Seriously?

What's your definition of making a great play? Catching the ball and falling down? The one thing Fitz was supposed to be better than everyone at is his hands. He hasn't been consistent this year. He only has 1 TD. He has never done anything special after catching the ball.

didn't know that not drinking the 'Quan kool-aid made me a staunch defender and Q basher.

Well, when there's a thread about Q you chime in to say Larry is better. You were just criticizing Q by saying he's not a real WR.

4. I see a lot more "I wanted (jabroni receiver) more than Fitz", "Keep Q, trade Fitz", "WTF, Larry?!" posts at an impressive clip than I do the "WTH, Q" posts. I don't want to hear that Q doesn't make mistakes nonsense.

Roy Williams is a jabroni Wide Receiver?
The reason you see more "WTH Larry" posts than you do "WTH Boldin" posts is that Fitz has lost 3 fumbles already and Boldin none. Fitz simply hasn't been playing up to his ability this year and is certainly expendable. I don't think anyone is going to be upset about keeping him, though.

 

[dogpoo32]

No point in saving the lost when they don't want to be saved.

Bah, whatever. Trade him. Please do. Send to a team where a team where the fans will actually give him his due.

*walks out of thread playing Whitesnake*

Ain't no love in the heart of the city,
Ain't no love in the heart of town.
Ain't no love, sure 'nuff is a pity, child...

Ain't never heard that song. Love Fitz, love what he brings each week. I think it is unfair to him that you are comparing him to Q. I give Fitz a pass this season because he has not had great QB play supporting him. I started by choosing the player that I would be less hurt to see go. If Fitz's heart is in MIN or anywhere else, then happy trails. If he stays here, I will be happy and want him to be HOF quality. That means staying in bounds, taking hits, holding onto the ball... Helping us win. That said, Q needs to turn back into Q and demolish some people.

 

[Zeno]

He scores, leads the team and doesn't turn the ball over. RAWR! .

Over their careers...Fitzgerald 4 fumbles 3 lost(all 3 lost this year, in '05 & '06 he had zero fumbles)
Boldin 7 fumbles 5 lost in one more season..so they aren't really that far apart in terms of mistakes.

Drops are harder to judge, Stats Inc has Fitz with zero and Boldin with 3 this season but that has to be wrong because I know I've seen Fitz drop a couple this year.

Can't we be happy to have 2 good WRs? Fitzgerald never seems to get his due around here. I have no idea what happened when Fitz went out of bounds today, it didn't seem necessary and it didn't seem like his momentum carried him out but it sure as hell didn't look like he was running out of bounds to avoid contact. He deserves to be taken to task for that but anyone suggesting trading him isn't paying attention to his overall worth to the team.

 

[Shogun]

Fitzgerald never seems to get his due around here.

FINALLY. Someone else sees the same thing I am.

 

[slanidrac16]

Lost in this post is the question ,"Is Fitz worth 15M per year"? To that I would ask:
"Would you rather keep Fitz and pay him 15m or would we be a better team by signing Faneca, Starks and Berrian for around the same money?"

 

[Shogun]

Lost in this post is the question ,"Is Fitz worth 15M per year"? To that I would ask:
"Would you rather keep Fitz and pay him 15m or would we be a better team by signing Faneca, Starks and Berrian for around the same money?"

Don't want to hear that BS, because if it's Boldin we're talking about this question wouldn't even be asked.

 

[dogpoo32]

Don't want to hear that BS, because if it's Boldin we're talking about this question wouldn't even be asked.

Exactly. If it was Boldin, there wouldn't be a question.

 

[Shogun]

Exactly. If it was Boldin, there wouldn't be a question.

Exactly, so if you're willing to give your #2 receiver $15M, why not do the same for your #1?

 

[Lorenzo]

gotta keep em' both. no question.

 

[Assface]

Exactly, so if you're willing to give your #2 receiver $15M, why not do the same for your #1?

I agree. If our #2 receiver is going to get $15M then Boldin is worth that much as well.

 

[Shogun]

I agree. If our #2 receiver is going to get $15M then Fitzgerald is worth that much as well.

Fixed for you.

 

[dogpoo32]

Exactly, so if you're willing to give your #2 receiver $15M, why not do the same for your #1?

Because Denny Green felt obligated?

 

[ajcardfan]

Lost in this post is the question ,"Is Fitz worth 15M per year"? To that I would ask:
"Would you rather keep Fitz and pay him 15m or would we be a better team by signing Faneca, Starks and Berrian for around the same money?"

Ug.

If they didn't keep Fitz, they'd better get a hell of a lot more than that.

 

[ajcardfan]

I've never been more down on the two of them.

Fitz is making bone head mistakes at a weekly clip. Boldin sits out a crucial game against the Panthers, but horse plays after practice. Then, today, they focus on him during the pregame and he's laughing like he's back at a Fla. St. scrimmage. That made me go, "Uh, oh", and really looks bad to me now. He just didn't seem to be intense and fired up for the game today.

These two guys are our best players along with Wilson. They'd better start LEADING like they are the best. Actions speak louder than words, and they are not stepping up.

 

[dogpoo32]

I've never been more down on the two of them.

Fitz is making bone head mistakes at a weekly clip. Boldin sits out a crucial game against the Panthers, but horse plays after practice. Then, today, they focus on him during the pregame and he's laughing like he's back at a Fla. St. scrimmage. That made me go, "Uh, oh", and really looks bad to me now. He just didn't seem to be intense and fired up for the game today.

These two guys are our best players along with Wilson. They'd better start LEADING like they are the best. Actions speak louder than words, and they are not stepping up.

That's Q. Is he supposed to be stoic? Watch some replays. He jokes around and enjoys playing a game that he gets paid to play. I would be giggling like Denny green at a buffet if I could get paid to play a game.

 

[red desert]

issues!!!!!


There. Just had to get that out.

 

[SuperSpck]

I think if all things were equal Fitz is going to be more of a "sure thing" than Boldin over the duration of his career. He's an amazing athlete.

Unfortunately the team needs to get speedy all over it's skill set. Neither Fitz or Boldin are going to stretch the D the same way a faster WR (with skill) will.
The reason I'd look at moving Fitzgerald is simple.
He's a more appealing prospect to other teams because he's been healthier during his career.
So I'd like to see the team get multiple picks. He's worth keeping around too. If he doesn't move on, I'd be happy, HE'S AWESOME. I just can't help but think that the team would be better served by getting faster and a Fitz trade could expedite the process while (hopefully, Joeshmoe?) balancing the cap.

 

[cardsfanmd]

This is why smart teams build from the inside out. Nuff Said.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

The solution is we better never give Fitzgerald the monster extension he and his agent will be demanding in the very near future. Graves has the option of either keeping Fitzgerald's current deal and having a cap number at close to 15 million dollars next year or breaking the bank and giving the guy an extension that he does not deserve. Anyone who thinks Fitzgerald will accept anything less than being one of the top 2-3 highest paid recievers is nuts.

He will ask for the world and most likely we will cave and give it to him and we still have to go out and pay good money for another speed reciever.

You were making some good points up to this.

#1 - What is a speed reciever ?

#2 - How many are out there that are better then what we have on the current roster ?

#3 - How is this going to automatically convert to more wins (the point of your thread) ?

#4 - I haven't seen a time where our QB has enough time to throw deep, let alone throw a 5 yard out ?

#5 - Which QB on this team has the arm to throw the ball deep ?

Just some comments about the "speed reciever" that so many think we need, and do not possess.

 

[joeshmo]

Over their careers...Fitzgerald 4 fumbles 3 lost(all 3 lost this year, in '05 & '06 he had zero fumbles)
Boldin 7 fumbles 5 lost in one more season..so they aren't really that far apart in terms of mistakes.

At least one person is trying to fix the misinformation that is going on. Good job.

Here is a few other tidbits.

Fitz has the same amount of TD's as Boldin does in fewer games(career).
Boldin is not the far better runner after the catch. Just becuase Boldin runs over people here and there doesnt mean Fitz doesnt get any YAC. Boldin is only 1.5 yards better per catch in the yac department then Fitz is. Yet Fitz has a higher career yards per catch.

That is not to say that Fitz is not having a down year, becuase he is. But so is Boldin who is having just as many drops as Fitz and not makeing nearly as big of an impact as he should be. His 5 TD's have come in only 3 out of 8 games and just isnt getting open.

Boldin has that big C patch on his jersey and so does Wilson, its about time they start playing like they have that C on their jerseys becuase more times then not they arent making plays. I think Hayes is the only one who has really taken that C badge to heart so far. I dont know what it is but there is something off with this team, 75% of them at any given point just are not mentally there right now. What is odd is that its a different 75% each game.

As for trading certian WR's. Every player on this team is tradable in my eyes even Boldin and Fitz. For the right price of course. If we could trade Boldin or Fitz for a good speed WR and something else, sorry guys I love you but your out of here.

As for paying 2 WR's that much, that wont be a problem if your contracts for the two are creative enough and you wont have to worry about either one having high cap dollars for another 3-4 years.

Paying to much for WR's is the reason why there is already Chad Johnson trade talks now that TJ is playing like a #1.

 

[joeshmo]

You were making some good points up to this.

#1 - What is a speed reciever ?

#2 - How many are out there that are better then what we have on the current roster ?

#3 - How is this going to automatically convert to more wins (the point of your thread) ?

#4 - I haven't seen a time where our QB has enough time to throw deep, let alone throw a 5 yard out ?

#5 - Which QB on this team has the arm to throw the ball deep ?

Just some comments about the "speed reciever" that so many think we need, and do not possess.

1. Spreads the field and has big TD capabilites.
2. Lots, becuase we dont have any speed WR's on the roster that are worth mentioning, didnt mention BJ becuase I think he is gone after this year and he is inconsistent
3. Spreads the field opening up more run and short possesion routes to Boldin or Fitz. Stops from CB's continued jamming our WR's at the line of scrimmage which throws them off their routes and why we sometimes talk about how our good WR's arent getting open.
4. You are right on this one but it doesnt change the fact that we need one, just points out that we need improved line play as well.
5. Matt has arm enough to throw the deep ball. He did it all the time in college and BJ had 20 yards per catch last year becuase of Matts deep ball.