2011 Draft Thread

[JCSunsfan]

OK. I finally got a chance to watch the video of Biyombu and the Nike hoops summit. I am totally sold. If he is available at 13 (which he wont) we must pick him. He plays incredible defense and has speed on his spin move like Amare. They said he was introduced to basketball in high school an two weeks later was playing on the national team.

If he is not there, I want Faried.

 

[AzStevenCal]

OK. I finally got a chance to watch the video of Biyombu and the Nike hoops summit. I am totally sold. If he is available at 13 (which he wont) we must pick him. He plays incredible defense and has speed on his spin move like Amare. They said he was introduced to basketball in high school an two weeks later was playing on the national team.

If he is not there, I want Faried.

Biyombu won't be there and I think it's too high to go after Faried. I've wanted Faried also but that was when I thought we might be able to get him with a 2nd or a low 1. I'm drawing a blank on the name but I think Kenneth is going to have an NBA career like the kid that went to an Ivy League type school and was drafted by the Warriors about 15 years ago. I've also heard him compared to Amundson and that's probably pretty accurate also. A great role player but we need to gamble on someone with a higher up-side even if it comes with a greater risk of failure.

BTW, if I'm wrong and Biyombu is there, he's an obvious pick IMO.

Steve

 

[ASUCHRIS]

1. I can say with about 97 percent certainty the Suns are not -- and will not be -- interested in Jimmer Fredette. There's a new focus on defense in the front office and the kid doesn't fit. I've heard this from someone close to the team (but not actually in the front office).

2. Derrick Williams will disappoint any team that drafts him in the top 3. He's probably the most NBA-ready talent in the draft, but he's not a definitive small forward or power forward and his ceiling is probably not as high as people want it to be. I think he's going to have a very good career, but I don't think he's going to be the game-change someone drafting that high wants him to be.

3. That said, there aren't but a handful of players that look ready to play in the NBA in this draft. Every year I think we've hit a new lowpoint, but this group is really weak in terms of early returns. There are a lot of players that will require some long-term investment to get something out of their picks. If there were a year to trade out of the draft, of all things, I won't be ashamed if the Suns decide to do it this year. Bust factor will be high for the first 20 picks, IMO.

Agree with all of this, and glad you heard we have no interest in ol Jimmer.

And while we're at it, I'm glad that we'll have more of a focus on defense, but just as much as defense we need SOMEONE who can create their own shot.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

1. I can say with about 97 percent certainty the Suns are not -- and will not be -- interested in Jimmer Fredette. There's a new focus on defense in the front office and the kid doesn't fit. I've heard this from someone close to the team (but not actually in the front office).

2. Derrick Williams will disappoint any team that drafts him in the top 3. He's probably the most NBA-ready talent in the draft, but he's not a definitive small forward or power forward and his ceiling is probably not as high as people want it to be. I think he's going to have a very good career, but I don't think he's going to be the game-change someone drafting that high wants him to be.

3. That said, there aren't but a handful of players that look ready to play in the NBA in this draft. Every year I think we've hit a new lowpoint, but this group is really weak in terms of early returns. There are a lot of players that will require some long-term investment to get something out of their picks. If there were a year to trade out of the draft, of all things, I won't be ashamed if the Suns decide to do it this year. Bust factor will be high for the first 20 picks, IMO.

Williams will be a better Hakim Warrick. He's a second tier guy on a team like Bosh is to LeBron/Wade and like Pippen was to Jordan - except both Pippen and Bosh are far superior to Williams. I'd take Williams here in a heartbeat, but I would not expect him to solve our franchise's problems....

 

[Errntknght]

What is the scenario going to be with the new players & owners agreement (CBA) vis a vis the draft. Will teams be allowed to sign draftees before the agreement negotiations start? It appears there is going to a narrow window, assuming negotiations start July 1 - the draft is scheduled for June 23rd. That might cause a rush to sign draftees or it might have the opposite effect. I suppose the league could delay the draft. Has there been any talk about that?

 

[slinslin]

I think Derrick Williams worst case would be Antawn Jamison or Michael Beasley.

Best case Larry Johnson. I don't see why he couldn't succeed and be a star...

There have been small forwards like him before that were very successful.

Maybe not a franchise player, but an allstar. I would give up a lot for that #2 pick.

 

[JCSunsfan]

So, is Minny really putting the second pick up for sale?

Hmm. Wonder what it would take?

 

[asuhoopsnut]

Biyombu won't be there and I think it's too high to go after Faried. I've wanted Faried also but that was when I thought we might be able to get him with a 2nd or a low 1. I'm drawing a blank on the name but I think Kenneth is going to have an NBA career like the kid that went to an Ivy League type school and was drafted by the Warriors about 15 years ago. I've also heard him compared to Amundson and that's probably pretty accurate also. A great role player but we need to gamble on someone with a higher up-side even if it comes with a greater risk of failure.

BTW, if I'm wrong and Biyombu is there, he's an obvious pick IMO.

Steve

Adonal Foyle - Colgate

He played collegiately for Colgate, where he was the school's all-time leading rebounder and 2nd all-time leading scorer. He left as the NCAA's all-time leader in blocked shots with 492, despite playing only three college seasons.

 

[Gee!]

Is it just me or is slinslin trying to trade away Gorat in alot of different ways in this forum? Why trade away the best thing we have to look forward to? And its a big man.. Something we rarely get.. Weird..

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Is it just me or is slinslin trying to trade away Gorat in alot of different ways in this forum? Why trade away the best thing we have to look forward to? And its a big man.. Something we rarely get.. Weird..

He's been beating that horse for awhile. Most of us here think he's a fool regarding that issue, you don't get better by trading your only good player.

 

[AsUdUdE]

With Utah getting a top 3 pick that could be the best case scerenio for the Suns...

Assuming Irving and Williams go 1-2.. There is a legit chance Utah spends the #3 pick on a PG.. leaving it highly unlikely that they elect another PG at #12..

And given that Bucks don't need a PG, the Warriors aren't taking a PG...

So unless the Bobcats take him at #9.. there is a petty good Shot that we may land..

THE JIMMER

 

[Divide Et Impera]

I think Derrick Williams worst case would be Antawn Jamison or Michael Beasley.

Best case Larry Johnson. I don't see why he couldn't succeed and be a star...

There have been small forwards like him before that were very successful.

Maybe not a franchise player, but an allstar. I would give up a lot for that #2 pick.

You know, I'll go with Jamison. Pegging Williams somewhere between Jamison and Warrick is probably where he'll end up (Warrick the floor, Jamison the ceiling). I don't think we'll see Williams put up the 25ppg seasons that Jamison put up, but I think he could have a string of high teens scoring (17 to 19ppg). At any rate, I think that Williams is a solid #2 on any team and any thinking of him being a franchise #1 guy is nothing but hype....

 

[AsUdUdE]

Jimmer plays steve nah defense, stay in front of your man and put a hand up..

And everyone who says Fredette is not athletic is saying that because he is white period.. as someone who has watched him play almost every game for the past 3 seasons he's got more athleticism than a lot of others..

He has the quickest release in the nation, and at the worst he is 12-14 PPG off the bench.. best case he is a mix of Curry/Nash..

The most underated part is his passing.. he sees the court, and if he were surounded by better players would have better APG... there is not even a question about that.. AND HE STILL AVERGED more APG than Kyrie Irving, Kemba Walker, AND Brandon Knight...

Wih the #13 pick in the draft if you have the opportunity to get a player whos floor is a solid role player and ceiling is unknown you do it without hesitation espesically if he fits your system, and as along a Genty/Nash are running the ship, he fits our system..

Yes he doesn't play lock down defense, but he will lead our bench with a possibility of being our PG of the future and Curry/Nash Jr...

 

[AsUdUdE]

one more thought..and I totally know that steals don't mean a lot when it comes to playing defense as a whole.. but...

Jimmer had better SPG than knight, the same as Irving, and .4 less PG than Walker...

just sayin...

 

[slinslin]

Is it just me or is slinslin trying to trade away Gorat in alot of different ways in this forum? Why trade away the best thing we have to look forward to? And its a big man.. Something we rarely get.. Weird..

who else do you want to trade? Most of our roster has no value or negative value..

Gortat won't make a difference for us anyway since we are too far away from being a really good team.

And Dudley is the one I want to keep the most.

 

[chickenhead]

I don't want to see them trade Gortat for anyone is this draft.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Adonal Foyle - Colgate

He played collegiately for Colgate, where he was the school's all-time leading rebounder and 2nd all-time leading scorer. He left as the NCAA's all-time leader in blocked shots with 492, despite playing only three college seasons.

Foyle had a completely different style. He was short but had a wide frame and did his work with strength but was pretty slow.

Faried is lighter and faster. He is really more of a Shawn Marion or even a bit of a Dennis Rodman.

 

[JCSunsfan]

who else do you want to trade? Most of our roster has no value or negative value..

Gortat won't make a difference for us anyway since we are too far away from being a really good team.

And Dudley is the one I want to keep the most.

If you trade Gortat you have to get A LOT for him. His value is very high right now. He is a contributor right now at the most difficult position to fill in the league.

Wouldn't you know. The Suns finally get a center and then trade him away.

 

[slinslin]

Star players are harder to find than starting centers.

The #2 pick is plenty value for Gortat, probably too much value.

 

[Covert Rain]

Is it just me or is slinslin trying to trade away Gorat in alot of different ways in this forum? Why trade away the best thing we have to look forward to? And its a big man.. Something we rarely get.. Weird..

Look on the bright side....we always have Lopez should we trade Gortat for one of these guys and they don't pan out.

I don't get giving up everything for Williams who is an undersized PF who managed 8.2 rebounds per game in college. Where the hell is our rebounding going to come from if he can't manage to improve rebounding somehow from College to the NBA while playing against bigger competition?

On a great rebounding team he is a perfect fit. That isn't the Suns.

 

[asuhoopsnut]

Foyle had a completely different style. He was short but had a wide frame and did his work with strength but was pretty slow.

Faried is lighter and faster. He is really more of a Shawn Marion or even a bit of a Dennis Rodman.

I was just responding to AzStevenCal

 

[AzStevenCal]

Adonal Foyle - Colgate

He played collegiately for Colgate, where he was the school's all-time leading rebounder and 2nd all-time leading scorer. He left as the NCAA's all-time leader in blocked shots with 492, despite playing only three college seasons.

That's the guy and thanks for bailing me out.

Steve

 

[Covert Rain]

So, is Minny really putting the second pick up for sale?

Hmm. Wonder what it would take?

I would be surprised. This is the highest the TW have ever picked and they don't have a first round pick in 2012 (it's now the Clippers). That draft is suppose to be the deepest in talent and they can't get in the lottery even if they suck. Also, that probably means that 2013 will probably be a thin draft class.

So, if they don't use this pick, they probably won't add any significant young talent until 2014. They would be stupid not to use the pick unless they get a fantastic trade. Sucks to be a Twolves fan.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Foyle had a completely different style. He was short but had a wide frame and did his work with strength but was pretty slow.

Faried is lighter and faster. He is really more of a Shawn Marion or even a bit of a Dennis Rodman.

I agree they have much different styles. I was just suggesting they will have similar careers. IMO, despite their differences, they have similar strengths and similar weaknesses. I'd say he's much closer to Dennis Rodman than Shawn Marion but I'd be very surprised if he succeeded at the level of either of those two.

I wouldn't be devastated to see us pick him (like I was when we picked Lopez or Clark) but I'm hoping we go after someone with a more well-rounded game. We have so many needs that I don't think we should spend the 13th pick on a specialist.

Steve

 

[AzStevenCal]

Look on the bright side....we always have Lopez should we trade Gortat for one of these guys and they don't pan out.

I don't get giving up everything for Williams who is an undersized PF who managed 8.2 rebounds per game in college. Where the hell is our rebounding going to come from if he can't manage to improve rebounding somehow from College to the NBA while playing against bigger competition?

On a great rebounding team he is a perfect fit. That isn't the Suns.

I think you're selling him short as a rebounder but I wouldn't bust the bank trying to get him either. Eight boards a game is solid at the college level especially since he often played out of position and had no help down low.

Steve