Your post was completely contradictory. Either he's a great player or not. Pick one and roll with it.
again, you're completely ignoring my argument. LeBron is a great player... I'm talking about one the LEGENDS of the game. What aren't you getting about that?
You said he WILL win one or two titles, not IF.
I rarely make responses like the above, but if you continue to contradict yourself, what am I left with?
actually, you do this a lot on the cardinals board... but that's fine. you continue to ignore my argument, so you're left with whatever you want to make up to suit yours.
Yes I can. Lebron has better average career stats than Kobe (in your pantheon),
yup... and has shown none of the ability to step up when it matters most and the pressure's on him. You can throw whatever stats you want at me, but the bottom line is the guy has crumbled under pressure more and more as his career has gone on.
Dirk, Isaiah and Wade and has played on crappier teams where it was him and no one else. Kobe had Shaq and Gasol. Isaiah had Dumars and Lambier, Wade had Shaq. Lebron has had only a bunch of role players up until now, then goes on a team which overhauled over 75% of the entire roster over the offseason leaving little room for instant team chemistry. Also, in 2010-2011, Lebron led the Heat in three of the major statistical categories (ppg, assists pg, steals pg). Wade led in none. If he continues to do that on the Heat AND win one or two titles (like you said), then he will have one-upped a 2nd-tier player in Wade (your barometer).
Remember. Titles are a "team" accomplishment. Not a "player" accomplishment. Oscar Robertson, one of the greatest players of all time (some put him in the Jordan category),
are you kidding with this? A tiny minority put him in the Jordan category but yeah, I did miss him. the greats are talked about the pantheon ROUTINELY goes like this: Jordan, Russell, Magic, Bird, Kareem, Wilt, Duncan, Shaq, Hakeem. He's pretty much routinely included in this group... but he's the ONLY one who's got a sole title under his belt and forgive me if i'm wrong, but was Oscar ever accused of quitting on his team in one season then completely cradling up like a scared baby in another?
Why? The choking thing is completely blown out or proportion. Up until the Finals, he was obliterating the opposition, almost single-handedly.
Um... isn't that the point... that when he faced the ultimate pressure, the guy who was destroyed the league completely went into the tank?
I don't see a "continual pattern."
so, you're telling me he didn't quit against Boston when the going got tough last year and he was a heavy favorite to win? and he didn't curl up into a ball this year when the going got tough and he was a heavy favorite to win? and he didn't shrink in the Olympics? How is that not a continual pattern? You say it's not, but what is you evidence to the contrary?
I see a bunch of people overreacting and going as far as to reference the ****ing Olympics to make a point.
um... what's the problem with giving what I believe is evidence that furthers my point that Bron has problems when the spotlight's the greatest on him/ The above acts like it's a negative to back up your argument with more than just "you're wrong". I provide "you're wrong and here's why i believe you're wrong" and you basically reply that I'm going as far to bring evidence in to make my point... duh. How else am i supposed to make my point?
Lebron is not the first player I want taking the final shot in the 4th, but he is certainly not the last.
Okay... not sure what this has to do with anything considering i never said anything like this. Your problem here is that you're talking in black and whites, projecting an argument on to me that because I think LeBron has major questions whether he can ever reach the highest echelons of NBA legends that that automatically means i think he's not great... but I don't think he's shown the mentally capability to be a legend. That's not black and white... it's a shade of gray.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: he will figure this out. He's too good of a player not to.
I think the thing is we might have different ideas of "figuring it out". Maybe to you, he figures it out and wins a couple titles... but to me, a guy with his skill and talent around him "figures it out" when he dominates the league and no one can beat him... for years. Even Shaq got to that level at some point. I just don't know if Bron has the mental capabilities to do so.
But don't ask me. Ask Vegas, who has them at 5:2 odds to win it all next year.
they had them as the favorite to win the title against Dallas too.
Sorry if you took offense bro. Still like ya, but you can come better than that.
i really don't care if you like me or not TJ. You came in here during the playoffs and ripped people to shreds because you have some kind of affinity for LeBron and seemingly can't admit that you're wrong, so you skewe others opinions to make your argument stronger. i'd say you can come better than that, but i don't know if you can... and truthfully, don't care.
