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Just another system QB. Houston might as well have been a Big XII team. 5 years in the NFL and Kolb's still considered a project who needs lots of practice just to maybe get to mediocre.

Case Keenum did even better at Houston. He didn't even get drafted this year.
That's my point. I responding to Phrazbits questioning whether Kolb has the tools to play in the NFL. There have been many system QB's like Keenum and guys from Texas Tech that went undrafted because they didn't have the arm, size, or tools, to play in the NFL. That's not the case with KK. He has the tools, he just hasn't performed consistently.
 

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I agree Skelton should be #1 on the list.

BTW, in the QB throwing video clip on cards official site, Skelton looks huge. He has really bulked up. Kolb looks like a midget among the three QB's.

Joe Montana looked like a midget too :) Ya', I wish Kolb would end up just 30% of what Joe Montana was LOL. All I know is this, Skelton has EVERYTHING you search for in a QB except that one flaw, the major flaw of accuracy. Unlike Derek Scud Anderson, John is young and I really believe if the Cardinals would devote a tutoring staff around him, he could get better in this area. Skelton wants to learn, dude works his butt off and that is another attribute the Cardinals should take into account
 
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That's my point. I responding to Phrazbits questioning whether Kolb has the tools to play in the NFL. There have been many system QB's like Keenum and guys from Texas Tech that went undrafted because they didn't have the arm, size, or tools, to play in the NFL. That's not the case with KK. He has the tools, he just hasn't performed consistently.

He does? I haven't seen it. 5 years in the NFL and he's only started 16 games? It's not like he was sitting behind Brett Farve or Peyton Manning. In his last two starts for Philly he was 44-84-393 yards 2 TDs and 5 INTs for a QB rating of 48.36. No wonder they wanted to get rid of him.
 

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He does? I haven't seen it. 5 years in the NFL and he's only started 16 games? It's not like he was sitting behind Brett Farve or Peyton Manning. In his last two starts for Philly he was 44-84-393 yards 2 TDs and 5 INTs for a QB rating of 48.36. No wonder they wanted to get rid of him.
He was behind McNabb. I'm not a McNabb fan but they weren't benching/replacing him until they had to. Having the tools doesn't always translate to success on the field. Jeff George was as talented as any QB I have ever seen and that didn't make him a succesful QB. Kolb has the ability, good size, mobility, and the arm, he just hasn't put it together and may not ever put it together. Like George, it's all between the ears.
 

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Jeff George had a bazooka for an arm and was a big dude (especially back in 1990 standards).

When someone says someone has "all the tools" I am thinking "plus" abilities. Above average talents levels in those areas. It would be kind to even call Kolb "average" in most areas and the ONLY area that might be considered a plus is accuracy... and thats only if he is throwing the ball 5-10 yards. It slays me that people still call him "mobile", backwardly mobile maybe, but not NFL QB mobile. Never has his mobility been a threat for him to break off a run, and we've all seen he is more apt to run into a sack than run away from one.
 

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I was perplexed and confused with the Lindley pick. That hasn't changed. Everyone says he is DA part deux. Big arm. Innacurate. 53% completion in college. 50-stinkin'-three!

I don't get the hype or the hope.

Hard to know how bad he really is. He had no receivers this year. His completion rate was several points higher the year before and he helped to WRs reach 1000+ yards. Project no doubt but hopefully not as bad as DA.
 

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Warner was better than all 3 of them combined.

Bascially we have 3 medicores who average out to 1 OK.

Id rather have a Star QB and a scarecrow at #2 and a firehydrant at #3.

three mediocres can only average to mediocre, but nice try...
 

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None of the Qb on the roster have proven anything. So everyone should join hands and pray one of them can step up and give us a trent dilfler performance this season.
 

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To be fair, DA barely even cracked 50%. His COLLEGE completion rate was 50.7%. How he is still employed or ever became employed is a total mystery.

Also, I'd love to hear a break down of how Kolb has "all the tools". The only tool I've seen him tap into is an MRI machine.

I believe he meant to say Kolb is a tool....I tend to agree. :D
 

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It will be interesting to see what performance we get out of the position this year. We have every reason to believe that Skelton will be at least marginally improved from last season as he is a still developing young QB who was very raw. With Kolb, there are reasons to think he might improve but also reasons to think he might regress (lost confidence, injury "shell shock"). Lindley, well all I can say is he's most likely better then Bartel.

And if you take out the Warner years, this may be the best 3 young QB's the Cardinals have had in a a long time. I do not expect QB to be a team strength. I just hope there is improvement. Because, that a pretty good team.
 

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None of the Qb on the roster have proven anything. So everyone should join hands and pray one of them can step up and give us a trent dilfler performance this season.

Double Duece has proven one thing. When its crunch time he can drive the team down the field for the game winning score. He might have dug the hole to begin with and the defense may have bailed him out by blocking a FG but he still had to perform with the game on the line. He did it against the Rams, Eagles, 4and9ers and Browns.

He's also shown good mobility in the pocket for a kid from a school like Fordham. When I think about a QB with good mobility I'm not thinking about one who takes off and runs but one who moves around in the pocket avoiding rushers while still looking for someone to throw to. That's something that with our offensive line we must have.

However, there's still all those bonehead throws in the first half. :bang:
 

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He's also shown good mobility in the pocket for a kid from a school like Fordham...QUOTE]
whoah! Whoah! WHOAH!

Since when do Fordham quarterbacks lack mobility?

Ever try to dodge muggers in the South Bronx? :)

(Plus - the dude is actually from West Texas anyway).
 

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He's also shown good mobility in the pocket for a kid from a school like Fordham...QUOTE]
whoah! Whoah! WHOAH!

Since when do Fordham quarterbacks lack mobility?

Ever try to dodge muggers in the South Bronx? :)

(Plus - the dude is actually from West Texas anyway).

So far out in West Texas that the High School he played for is closer to the capitols of Arizona and New Mexico than the capitol of Texas. High School football in El Paso compared to traditional West Texas football factories like Abilene, Midland and San Angelo is about the same as Fordham compared to Alabama.
 
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Double Duece has proven one thing. When its crunch time he can drive the team down the field for the game winning score. He might have dug the hole to begin with and the defense may have bailed him out by blocking a FG but he still had to perform with the game on the line. He did it against the Rams, Eagles, 4and9ers and Browns.

He's also shown good mobility in the pocket for a kid from a school like Fordham. When I think about a QB with good mobility I'm not thinking about one who takes off and runs but one who moves around in the pocket avoiding rushers while still looking for someone to throw to. That's something that with our offensive line we must have.

However, there's still all those bonehead throws in the first half. :bang:

Both Qb's showed flashes that they could run the offenese. But none of them were consistant. I can compared these Qbs to Jake Plummer. Show that he could be great at times and show that he could cost you the game. It does take two halves of football to win games consistantly.
 

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Um....I just spit all over my computer....LMAO!!!

What are the odds that one of them will be our QBOTF? I would say around 100 - 1? Of course I want one of them to be just that but I have been a Cardinal fan way to many years to expect that to happen.
 

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Reference the first two QB's, I'm puting all my eggs/hopes in one basket. And that is that neither has had a full offseason with the Cards. But as for Lindley, and maybe it's just me, but he seems much like DA. Hope I'm wrong.

How can you forget you have had two very serious concussions behind you? If you can do that then you are still suffering from two serious concussions. Concussions are taking the headlines this year and apparently they are now going to be a subject for the courts. I sure have never forgot about my neck fusion and no 285 lb linebacker is getting paid to knock me out of the game. I feel very sorry for Kolb having to live with this but he will if he is going to be successful in the NFL. I thought his problem when we got him was a lack of experience. Little did I know it was much more serious than that with concussions being a much bigger issue now. Kurt Warner said the other day he knew every game that the opposing team was trying to knock him out of the game. He probably also knew they even had a bounty on his head as he had concussion before and that would be a weak spot. You sure have to admire Kurt for standing in there time after time taking the big hits in order to get the ball off. Some kind of tough guy.
 

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Both Qb's showed flashes that they could run the offenese. But none of them were consistant. I can compared these Qbs to Jake Plummer. Show that he could be great at times and show that he could cost you the game. It does take two halves of football to win games consistantly.

Not really. Teams win games all the time playing only one half of good football. We won in 2009 by getting way out in front in the first half and holding on to win and we went 7-2 in 2011 by coming from behind in the second half.

Kolb hasn't shown me even flashes that he can run the offense. At least Double Duece has shown he can consistently put points on the board in crunch time. Every QB has bad days. Warner for instance threw 4 interceptions vs only 1 TD in the two 2009 games vs SF. It's the guy's ability to bounce back that is important. And Double Duece obviously can do that.
 

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What are the odds that one of them will be our QBOTF? I would say around 100 - 1? Of course I want one of them to be just that but I have been a Cardinal fan way to many years to expect that to happen.
I'd peg the probability as being in the 25%-35% range with Skelton having the edge due to slightly better size and athletic ability (Note - the longer the two compete with one another, the narrower Kolb's edge in FB sophistication gets).

But anything can happen, & it's still 65%-75% likely that neither turns out to be our long-range answer. (no knock on either one - it's just football odds. Think about it, over the past half-century, how many QBs have had success or staying power as Cardinals - Charley Johnson? Jim Hart? Neil Lomax? Kurt Warner (albeit for just 2 years)? Not that many.
 
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I'd peg the probability as being in the 25%-35% range with Skelton having the edge due to slightly better size and athletic ability (Note - the longer the two compete with one another, the narrower Kolb's edge in FB sophistication gets).

But anything can happen, & it's still 65%-75% likely that neither turns out to be our long-range answer. (no knock on either one - it's just football odds. Think about it, over the past half-century, how many QBs have had success or staying power as Cardinals - Charley Johnson? Jim Hart? Neil Lomax? Kurt Warner (albeit for just 2 years)? Not that many.

Jim Hart played for the Cardinals almost as long as Johnson (8), Lomax (8) and Warner (5) combined. 18 seasons. That's still hard to believe.

Jake Plummer with 6 seasons and one playoff win could be added as well however his winning % as a starter is a dismal .366
 

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I'm sorry but this thread drives me nuts. As optimistic as I can be this time of year I just can't see using the words quarterbacks as our strength in a sentence. I really hope one of them develops but if we pull our heads out of the sand and realize what we saw is probably what were going to get were going to need a lot of defense this season. Now there is a thread title. "Our defense is our strength."
 

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Double Duece has proven one thing. When its crunch time he can drive the team down the field for the game winning score. He might have dug the hole to begin with and the defense may have bailed him out by blocking a FG but he still had to perform with the game on the line. He did it against the Rams, Eagles, 4and9ers and Browns.
And almost against the Bengals... if not for Doucet tripping on himself :bang:
 

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And almost against the Bengals... if not for Doucet tripping on himself :bang:

Even worse: LSH was wide open. The defender covering him fell down. All Bridges has to do is delay the Cincy DE for a half second and we have a TD.
 

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Jim Hart played for the Cardinals almost as long as Johnson (8), Lomax (8) and Warner (5) combined. 18 seasons. That's still hard to believe. Jake Plummer with 6 seasons and one playoff win could be added as well however his winning % as a starter is a dismal .366
I was in Yankee Stadium when Charley Johnson broke his leg (trying to run down the left sideline) and the Cards were obliged to replace him with an unknown rookie from SIU. (It was either Hart or Terry Nofsinger). As one scouting report said about Jim: "He can throw the ball through the side of a barn." Who knew he'd last 18.

I thought about including Jake, but I didn't realize he lasted as long as 6 seasons with us and there was just something lacking in his overall production.

Bottom line - I guess it would be fair to say that over the years, as a QB Factory, the Cards weren't exactly SF.
 
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And if you take out the Warner years, this may be the best 3 young QB's the Cardinals have had in a a long time. I do not expect QB to be a team strength.

Where there is smoke (Peter King) there is fire:

ESPN analyst Ron Jaworski believes Cardinals sixth-rounder Ryan Lindley will be a starting quarterback within four years. Jaws has watched Lindley's college tape extensively. "I can put a highlight reel together and show you 25 throws that you would say this guy should be a first-round pick," said Jaworski.
 

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