2013 NFL/Cards Draft Thread

[Chopper0080]

It seems there are a bunch of rush OLB types in this years draft: the two LSU kids, Jarvis Jones, Werner from FSU, Texas A&M has a OLB Moore that is supposed to be good-

So with the two tackles, at least one QB, Teo, and the pass rushers -- there will likely be a good player at a real need there for the Cards.

Damontre Moore from Texas A&M is an Aldon Smith type player and could be scary good for the Cardinals.

 

[joeshmo]

It seems there are a bunch of rush OLB types in this years draft: the two LSU kids, Jarvis Jones, Werner from FSU, Texas A&M has a OLB Moore that is supposed to be good-

So with the two tackles, at least one QB, Teo, and the pass rushers -- there will likely be a good player at a real need there for the Cards.

Not sure how I feel about those two LSU kids right now. Currently their press clippings out weigh their actual production, especially Barkevious Mingo. Mingo is also better suited for OLB IMO, more so then Montgomery who IMO needs to stay at DE in a 4-3.

Two of the better possible conversion prospects are juniors so if its a LB we are looking for you better hope they come out. Damontre Moore of Texas A&M, and Bjoern Werner of Florida State.

I wouldn't mind at all if our first two picks were two guards, such as Chance Warmack then Larry Warford of Kentucky.

 

[WildBB]

Not sure how I feel about those two LSU kids right now. Currently their press clippings out weigh their actual production, especially Barkevious Mingo. Mingo is also better suited for OLB IMO, more so then Montgomery who IMO needs to stay at DE in a 4-3.

Two of the better possible conversion prospects are juniors so if its a LB we are looking for you better hope they come out. Damontre Moore of Texas A&M, and Bjoern Werner of Florida State.

I wouldn't mind at all if our first two picks were two guards, such as Chance Warmack then Larry Warford of Kentucky.

That would make a whole lot of sense.....Nah won't happen.

I'd be hard pressed not to take one of the elite LT's first though.

 

[Chopper0080]

Not sure how I feel about those two LSU kids right now. Currently their press clippings out weigh their actual production, especially Barkevious Mingo. Mingo is also better suited for OLB IMO, more so then Montgomery who IMO needs to stay at DE in a 4-3.

Two of the better possible conversion prospects are juniors so if its a LB we are looking for you better hope they come out. Damontre Moore of Texas A&M, and Bjoern Werner of Florida State.

I wouldn't mind at all if our first two picks were two guards, such as Chance Warmack then Larry Warford of Kentucky.

I would agree if we could grab Chacne Warmack and Jonathan Cooper/Travis Frederick (who can also play OC) it would really upgrade our offenisve line. The problem is it wouldn't improve our quality at QB.

 

[kerouac9]

I would agree if we could grab Chacne Warmack and Jonathan Cooper/Travis Frederick (who can also play OC) it would really upgrade our offenisve line. The problem is it wouldn't improve our quality at QB.

It would in three years from now--if they both work out. But in 2013 it would be pretty terrible, because you'd have Levi, Sendlein, and 3 players who have started a total of 16 games in the NFL.

Or you'd have Levi, Sendlein, Massie, and one of our current guards, and draft capital sitting on the bench.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

This coming draft is loaded with really good looking Guards. We can get a super guard with our 2nd pick. So if we had the chance to get the/one of the great tackles with our 1st pick, we would have really upgraded our line and should have great young depth for years to come. I don't see either of the top QBs even being available to us with our 1st pick. There aren't any after that that I would consider a better gamble than what we now have. So I would just avoid drafting another bench warming QB, and draft other position with our 3-7 picks.

In order to move up into the top 3 or 4 picks in order to draft Smith or Barkley at QB would cost us way too much and would mean another year of ignoring our OL. I just can't take another year like this one. I can live with our QBs another year if we have a decent OL. And actually would like to see what Kolb could do with plenty of time to run the offense the way it should be run.

 

[vinnymac]

I would like the Cardinals to pick o-line the first 3 rounds. We need a lot of depth there.

 

[GatorAZ]

Chance Warmack even if we're top 10 and Joeckel/Lewan are off the board.

 

[Chopper0080]

I would like the Cardinals to pick o-line the first 3 rounds. We need a lot of depth there.

Too many other needs to do that.

 

[vinnymac]

Too many other needs to do that.

The Biggest need for the Cardinals is the offensive line. Fix the offensive line and most of the problems that the Cardinals are having go away.

I am on the Tyler Wilson bandwagon. I am also on the Barret Jones bandwagon. He is Alabama other OG who also played C and OT. The also need to draft a RB who doesn't have history of being injured all the time. Not sure who that would be.

 

[Chopper0080]

The Biggest need for the Cardinals is the offensive line. Fix the offensive line and most of the problems that the Cardinals are having go away.

I am on the Tyler Wilson bandwagon. I am also on the Barret Jones bandwagon. He is Alabama other OG who also played C and OT. The also need to draft a RB who doesn't have history of being injured all the time. Not sure who that would be.

I agree that our offensive line is our biggest need, but it is not feasible to invest three draft picks into imrpoving that unit. We need to upgrade at OT, OG, OC, QB, RB, TE, ILB, OLB, DE, CB, FS, & SS. if we break that down, it becomes even more clear how big these needs are.

OT: We need better play from our offensive tackle, but we do have two 2012 draft picks invested in imrpoving the personnel and a vet OT returning from injury. It wouldn't make any sense to invest anything other than a top draft pick in a LT because there is no point investing in another project.

OG: We probably have a bigger need here, but we have more singing bonuses invested as well so it's hard to just cut ties with our current personnel. Once again, it only makes sense to add a top option because another project would lead to a status quo.

DL: Considering the fact that Ronald Talley, Nick Eason and Vonnie Holliday are all FAs next offseason, that leaves us w/ Campbell, Dockett, Williams and Carter for our defensive line. I have a hard time seeing the cards investing money into Eason and Holliday as they are up there in age.

OLB: Sam Acho, Jamall Westerman and Zach Nash comprise our healthy 2013 options at OLB to go with a recovering O'Brian Schofield. Not a great sign.

ILB: Again, we head into 2013 with Daryl Washington, Reggie Walker and disappointing Stewart Bradley on the roster, and Bradley is a good candidate to get waived due to his salary. We could re-sign Paris Lenon, but he is in his mid 30's and a limited player to begin with.

CB: Anther area where FA will put us in a tough spot. Patrick Peterson, William Gay and Jammel Flemming are signed and I believe that is it. Pretty to only have 3 CBs on your roster.

S: Again, the free agent status of Kerry Rhodes, James Sanders, and Rashad Johnson leaves us with Adrian Wilson and Justin Bethel under contract. Ouch.

RB: So we have two RBs who will have had severe injuries in 2012, and then our other two RBs will be free agents. Not sure how we can afford to not add bodies into this unit.

QB: Production is lacking and this is not a position where there are a lot of areas where you can find upgrades. Good luck finding a better option outside of the second round of the draft.

So, with this info, you tell me how in the world you expect us to address these issues if we use our first three draft picks on OL?

 

[vinnymac]

I agree that our offensive line is our biggest need, but it is not feasible to invest three draft picks into imrpoving that unit. We need to upgrade at OT, OG, OC, QB, RB, TE, ILB, OLB, DE, CB, FS, & SS. if we break that down, it becomes even more clear how big these needs are.

OT: We need better play from our offensive tackle, but we do have two 2012 draft picks invested in imrpoving the personnel and a vet OT returning from injury. It wouldn't make any sense to invest anything other than a top draft pick in a LT because there is no point investing in another project.

OG: We probably have a bigger need here, but we have more singing bonuses invested as well so it's hard to just cut ties with our current personnel. Once again, it only makes sense to add a top option because another project would lead to a status quo.

DL: Considering the fact that Ronald Talley, Nick Eason and Vonnie Holliday are all FAs next offseason, that leaves us w/ Campbell, Dockett, Williams and Carter for our defensive line. I have a hard time seeing the cards investing money into Eason and Holliday as they are up there in age.

OLB: Sam Acho, Jamall Westerman and Zach Nash comprise our healthy 2013 options at OLB to go with a recovering O'Brian Schofield. Not a great sign.

ILB: Again, we head into 2013 with Daryl Washington, Reggie Walker and disappointing Stewart Bradley on the roster, and Bradley is a good candidate to get waived due to his salary. We could re-sign Paris Lenon, but he is in his mid 30's and a limited player to begin with.

CB: Anther area where FA will put us in a tough spot. Patrick Peterson, William Gay and Jammel Flemming are signed and I believe that is it. Pretty to only have 3 CBs on your roster.

S: Again, the free agent status of Kerry Rhodes, James Sanders, and Rashad Johnson leaves us with Adrian Wilson and Justin Bethel under contract. Ouch.

RB: So we have two RBs who will have had severe injuries in 2012, and then our other two RBs will be free agents. Not sure how we can afford to not add bodies into this unit.

QB: Production is lacking and this is not a position where there are a lot of areas where you can find upgrades. Good luck finding a better option outside of the second round of the draft.

So, with this info, you tell me how in the world you expect us to address these issues if we use our first three draft picks on OL?

You are not going to be able to address all problems. Fix the o-line the offense will go. The o-line ranks last in QB protection It is not all on the QB. Kolb was doing a good job before he got slammed. Also remeber this season the Cardinals had to start calling plays to get the ball out Qb hands quicker. This changed because the Qb was getting killed.

It is as simple as resigning Rhodes. It will be easy to resign Rashad Johnson and James Sanders if they still want them.

Adam can be resigned at corner. Very servicable 4th CB.

I believe the Cardinals are going to resign Lenon. I believe Bradly will still be with the team next season.

RB Williams and Wells imo needs to be replaced. Not going to happen. You can use the other 4 draft picks on RB since we go through 4 of them a season. Maybe one can make through the season without missing a game.

The Cardinals will go after some veteran DL that fits the system. That is what they do.


The Cardinals can drive the ball, but they seem to stall when they get into the redzone. Usually by the Qb getting sack.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

It's just reasonable to draft OL with the first 3 picks. There are too many other areas that need addressed. I can see 2 more OL being drafted this year but, looking at the Cards roster, the OL in particular, 3 OL is not feasible. Massie's development is going to be a key. If he keeps improving then the OT's are set, like it or not, for the next few years. OG is where the Cards need an upgrade so I can see an early pick used on that position, but that's about it. Any other OL draftees are probably going to be the developmental type, like Potter.

I've been concerned with DL dpeth for years and was one of the reasons I wanted Brockers as our 1st rounder last year. This position HAS to be addressed at some point in the draft. I've got my eye on the big DE from SMU, Magnus Hunt, I think is his name.

LB needs to be adressed, especially ILB. I think it wil be very hard for the Cards to pass on Te'o or if a dynamic OLB pass rusher, like Montgomery, is sitting there when they pick.

RB also poses a concern. A 3rd or 4th round guy should be brought in unless the Cards are planning to roll the dice again with W&W.

Safety is another position that could use some young bodies.

 

[Chopper0080]

It's just reasonable to draft OL with the first 3 picks. There are too many other areas that need addressed. I can see 2 more OL being drafted this year but, looking at the Cards roster, the OL in particular, 3 OL is not feasible. Massie's development is going to be a key. If he keeps improving then the OT's are set, like it or not, for the next few years. OG is where the Cards need an upgrade so I can see an early pick used on that position, but that's about it. Any other OL draftees are probably going to be the developmental type, like Potter.

I've been concerned with DL dpeth for years and was one of the reasons I wanted Brockers as our 1st rounder last year. This position HAS to be addressed at some point in the draft. I've got my eye on the big DE from SMU, Magnus Hunt, I think is his name.

LB needs to be adressed, especially ILB. I think it wil be very hard for the Cards to pass on Te'o or if a dynamic OLB pass rusher, like Montgomery, is sitting there when they pick.

RB also poses a concern. A 3rd or 4th round guy should be brought in unless the Cards are planning to roll the dice again with W&W.

Safety is another position that could use some young bodies.

Agree with most of this. I am also in on Margus Hunt, DE from SMU, but he might really jump after the combine along with Ezekiel Ansah from BYU. The problem comes when you have to weight imrpoving the interior of the offensive line vs improving at QB vs taking the BPA in a defensive heavy draft.

Quite a quandry. It is a poor QB draft, it is a good OL draft early, but poor at OG mid to late, and poor OT mid draft. It is a great defensive draft, especially early and for pass rushers, and a solid draft for ILB in general. CB is solid in the the top 3 rounds and the same goes for S. DT is very strong for 4-3 teams but for 3-4 DL it is kinda weak.

IF I am the Cardinals, my first move in FA is to sign Andy Levitre to play LG. I would have to overspend, and I hate bringing in another FA OG, but he is a pretty good player and gives me a ton of flexability in the draft. I don't believe we will, but I would just to ensure I am not passing on a top player to take a reach at QB or OL. I keep Kolb on the roster through the draft. You have to ensure you are taking the right players and are not making desperation moves.

My issue with this draft is I could see us having the opportunity to take...

1-Manti Te'o - ILB - Notre Dame
2-Margus Hunt - DE - SMU
3-Khalil Mack - OLB - Buffalo
4-Alvin Bailey - OG - Arkansas
5-Marc Anthony - CB - Cal
6-Kyle Long - OT/OG - Oregon
7-Dave Krugar - DE - Utah

and we could very well put ourselves in a position to have to over draft an OG or QB where there may be better value elsewhere.

 

[kerouac9]

IF I am the Cardinals, my first move in FA is to sign Andy Levitre to play LG. I would have to overspend, and I hate bringing in another FA OG, but he is a pretty good player and gives me a ton of flexability in the draft. I don't believe we will, but I would just to ensure I am not passing on a top player to take a reach at QB or OL. I keep Kolb on the roster through the draft. You have to ensure you are taking the right players and are not making desperation moves.

Are you willing to give Kolb $9 million ($2 million roster bonus in March + $7 million salary) as a hedge against drafting a QB? That's what the real question is going to be.

The best case scenario for the Cards is that Skelton shows after the bye week that he can be efficient and not commit errors and keep the starting job for the rest of the year. Skelton isn't ever going to be a Top 15 QB in this league, but if he can show that he's at least among the Top 25 QBs in the NFL, then that's a good thing. Why?

Because the Cards have decisions to make with their top 2 QBs this offseason. Lindley is under a four-year contract, so whatever. Skelton is a restricted free agent. Kolb really can't stay at his current contract numbers.

The Cards may have to make a choice between Skelton and Kolb as soon as February. If they want to keep Kolb, he has to give money back on his 2013 contract. Not make cap room with guarantees; give money back. If Skelton continues to crap the bed, Kolb's leverage increases, and the Cards may be forced to swallow the third year of this deal in whole.

If Skelton does well, then the Cards can tender him at a second-round pick level. If some team wants to sign him, they can kind of have him. Otherwise it's a one-year deal for some $2 million.

Otherwise, you eat Kolb's deal, you tender Skelton at his original round tender, and you're stuck with these three clowns in 2013.

 

[Chopper0080]

Are you willing to give Kolb $9 million ($2 million roster bonus in March + $7 million salary) as a hedge against drafting a QB? That's what the real question is going to be.

The best case scenario for the Cards is that Skelton shows after the bye week that he can be efficient and not commit errors and keep the starting job for the rest of the year. Skelton isn't ever going to be a Top 15 QB in this league, but if he can show that he's at least among the Top 25 QBs in the NFL, then that's a good thing. Why?

Because the Cards have decisions to make with their top 2 QBs this offseason. Lindley is under a four-year contract, so whatever. Skelton is a restricted free agent. Kolb really can't stay at his current contract numbers.

The Cards may have to make a choice between Skelton and Kolb as soon as February. If they want to keep Kolb, he has to give money back on his 2013 contract. Not make cap room with guarantees; give money back. If Skelton continues to crap the bed, Kolb's leverage increases, and the Cards may be forced to swallow the third year of this deal in whole.

If Skelton does well, then the Cards can tender him at a second-round pick level. If some team wants to sign him, they can kind of have him. Otherwise it's a one-year deal for some $2 million.

Otherwise, you eat Kolb's deal, you tender Skelton at his original round tender, and you're stuck with these three clowns in 2013.

I'm am getting to the point where I think we will eat Kolb's contract even though I hate the idea of doing so. I see John Skelton continuing to be John Skelton. I see a very weak QB class and the Cardinals having a top 12 pick. I believe the combine will reflect this, and the Cardinals paying Kolb the money because of it. This is the worst case scenario for Arizona. Personally, my struggle is not in evaluating Tyler Wilson, but in determining where the other QBs rank around him and how big the difference is.

The other issue is our offensive line. We agree that the Cardinals might draft a swing OT/OG late in the draft, but other than that, I don't see us taking one. We really need to upgrade at OG or OC, but this draft is great at OG early, but terrible mid to late. So it is almost draft early with OG or not at all.

Combine these issues with the Cardinals being very old on defense, having a lot of old FAs, and this draft being the perfect draft for address the Cardinals issues, and it becomes are very tough draft determine a strategy. Do we reach for the QB/OG combo early and pass up some very good defensive talent or do we take the impact defensive players available who also fill needs and then try and upgrade the QB and OL depth mid to late in the draft.

Personally, I believe what the Cardinals do in free agency will tell the tale of what they plan to do in the draft.

 

[kerouac9]

I'm am getting to the point where I think we will eat Kolb's contract even though I hate the idea of doing so. I see John Skelton continuing to be John Skelton. I see a very weak QB class and the Cardinals having a top 12 pick. I believe the combine will reflect this, and the Cardinals paying Kolb the money because of it. This is the worst case scenario for Arizona. Personally, my struggle is not in evaluating Tyler Wilson, but in determining where the other QBs rank around him and how big the difference is.

The other issue is our offensive line. We agree that the Cardinals might draft a swing OT/OG late in the draft, but other than that, I don't see us taking one. We really need to upgrade at OG or OC, but this draft is great at OG early, but terrible mid to late. So it is almost draft early with OG or not at all.

Combine these issues with the Cardinals being very old on defense, having a lot of old FAs, and this draft being the perfect draft for address the Cardinals issues, and it becomes are very tough draft determine a strategy. Do we reach for the QB/OG combo early and pass up some very good defensive talent or do we take the impact defensive players available who also fill needs and then try and upgrade the QB and OL depth mid to late in the draft.

Personally, I believe what the Cardinals do in free agency will tell the tale of what they plan to do in the draft.

I don't think the Cards are going to do anything in free agency. I don't think there'll be much out there, and if Whis and Grimm go to Graves and Michael Bidwill and ask for their fourth free agent guard in four years, I hope they're laughed out of the office. I think we'll re-sign some of our guys (Rhodes and Johnson and Lenon) and pick from the mid-tier for depth DL and DBs.

If I were Kolb, I'd be nursing this injury for all its worth. Every snap that Skelton takes makes him look like a worse option. Kolb can only really decrease his value by playing, considering that Mouthpiece of the Organization Ron Wolfley was saying on Cards Underground this week that Kolb was playing "very, very well" before the injury. I think the Cards ask Kolb to reduce his salary, and he takes a modest ($1.5 million) pay cut that he can earn back through playing time.

I think we can get good OL in the second round. Not immediate starters, but I don't think this team wants to start any OL immediately.

I totally disagree with you that our defense is "old." Lenon, Dockett, and Wilson are the only players on our defense older than 30. Seven of our starters are under 27. The core of this defense is just entering it's prime.

 

[Duckjake]

I'm am getting to the point where I think we will eat Kolb's contract even though I hate the idea of doing so. I see John Skelton continuing to be John Skelton. I see a very weak QB class and the Cardinals having a top 12 pick. I believe the combine will reflect this, and the Cardinals paying Kolb the money because of it. This is the worst case scenario for Arizona. Personally, my struggle is not in evaluating Tyler Wilson, but in determining where the other QBs rank around him and how big the difference is.

The other issue is our offensive line. We agree that the Cardinals might draft a swing OT/OG late in the draft, but other than that, I don't see us taking one. We really need to upgrade at OG or OC, but this draft is great at OG early, but terrible mid to late. So it is almost draft early with OG or not at all.

Combine these issues with the Cardinals being very old on defense, having a lot of old FAs, and this draft being the perfect draft for address the Cardinals issues, and it becomes are very tough draft determine a strategy. Do we reach for the QB/OG combo early and pass up some very good defensive talent or do we take the impact defensive players available who also fill needs and then try and upgrade the QB and OL depth mid to late in the draft.

Personally, I believe what the Cardinals do in free agency will tell the tale of what they plan to do in the draft.

Sadly I think you are correct. The Cards will stand pat with Kolb, Skelton and Ryan. In addition I don't see them looking at Olinemen early either deciding instead that they have the oline answer with Brown, Kelemete, Sendlein, Colledge, Massie and Potter.

To me not drafting DeCastro last year shows the Cards are happy with what they have on the offensive line and that they believe they can build a line with later round guys. In the draft they'll take whatever player they think is the best in the early rounds regardless of position just like they have the last 2 years and hope they can fit them into their scheme. Then in 4-7 they'll look at filling some holes.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

That is why we need a new coach, Duckjake. If one keeps doing the same thing, he can usually expect the same outcome. I am tired of this same old outcome. Time for a change in philosophy among other things.

 

[Bodha]

I agree that our offensive line is our biggest need, but it is not feasible to invest three draft picks into imrpoving that unit.

Why not?

OT: We need better play from our offensive tackle, but we do have two 2012 draft picks invested in imrpoving the personnel and a vet OT returning from injury. It wouldn't make any sense to invest anything other than a top draft pick in a LT because there is no point investing in another project.

Massie failed, replace him.

In business thats called cutting your losses. You dont hold onto something thats hurting you because you invested in it, hoping itll get better, when it wont. Does anyone rag on the Raiders for cutting their #1 pick after 2 years? No, because it was the right theing to do.

If we have the opportunity to get better. Do it. Dont worry about $$$ or investments. Money is an inconsequential asset in the NFL.

Worrying about the past can only drag down your future.

So, with this info, you tell me how in the world you expect us to address these issues if we use our first three draft picks on OL?

We have one of the best D's in the NFL. LB/CB/Dline are not major needs. They can wait. Thats how.

 

[kerouac9]

Why not?



Massie failed, replace him.

In business thats called cutting your losses. You dont hold onto something thats hurting you because you invested in it, hoping itll get better, when it wont.

How can you say won't get better after he's only started 9 games as a professional player? Do you really think that every player in the NFL is as good as they're going to get when they first appear in the league?

Do a little research and find out how Eli Manning performed his first three seasons in the NFL, and see how he's playing now. Do the same thing with his older brother. Then check out John Elway's career trajectory.

Oh, wait, it's different with quarterbacks? I guess that's why Larry Fitzgerald entered the NFL as the best wideout in the game, right? And why Darnell Dockett never improved from the 3.0 sacks he had his rookie year. Or why Jonathan Ogden never moved out to left tackle after starting his career at left guard.

Does anyone rag on the Raiders for cutting their #1 pick after 2 years? No, because it was the right theing to do.

If we have the opportunity to get better. Do it. Dont worry about $$$ or investments. Money is an inconsequential asset in the NFL.

Worrying about the past can only drag down your future.

D'oh. Oakland cut JaMarcus Russell after three seasons. I wondered when Bodha's Underresearched "Fact" of the Day was going to arrive. You can look these things up; I knw you're at a computer.

And Oakland got TONS of flak when they released JaMarcus Russell. http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/dollars/post/_/id/2106/2106

 

[Bodha]

How can you say won't get better after he's only started 9 games as a professional player? Do you really think that every player in the NFL is as good as they're going to get when they first appear in the league?

Do a little research and find out how Eli Manning performed his first three seasons in the NFL, and see how he's playing now. Do the same thing with his older brother. Then check out John Elway's career trajectory.

Oh, wait, it's different with quarterbacks? I guess that's why Larry Fitzgerald entered the NFL as the best wideout in the game, right? And why Darnell Dockett never improved from the 3.0 sacks he had his rookie year. Or why Jonathan Ogden never moved out to left tackle after starting his career at left guard.



D'oh. Oakland cut JaMarcus Russell after three seasons. I wondered when Bodha's Underresearched "Fact" of the Day was going to arrive. You can look these things up; I knw you're at a computer.

And Oakland got TONS of flak when they released JaMarcus Russell. http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/dollars/post/_/id/2106/2106

Enough.

If I wanted lip from you, Id rattle my zipper.



Blocked.

 

[Chopper0080]

Enough.

If I wanted lip from you, Id rattle my zipper.



Blocked.

Might as well block me too because if K9 isn't calling you on your inaccurate statements, I will.

 

[Mulli]

Might as well block me too because if K9 isn't calling you on your inaccurate statements, I will.

 

[Chopper0080]

I don't think the Cards are going to do anything in free agency. I don't think there'll be much out there, and if Whis and Grimm go to Graves and Michael Bidwill and ask for their fourth free agent guard in four years, I hope they're laughed out of the office. I think we'll re-sign some of our guys (Rhodes and Johnson and Lenon) and pick from the mid-tier for depth DL and DBs.

If I were Kolb, I'd be nursing this injury for all its worth. Every snap that Skelton takes makes him look like a worse option. Kolb can only really decrease his value by playing, considering that Mouthpiece of the Organization Ron Wolfley was saying on Cards Underground this week that Kolb was playing "very, very well" before the injury. I think the Cards ask Kolb to reduce his salary, and he takes a modest ($1.5 million) pay cut that he can earn back through playing time.

I think we can get good OL in the second round. Not immediate starters, but I don't think this team wants to start any OL immediately.

I totally disagree with you that our defense is "old." Lenon, Dockett, and Wilson are the only players on our defense older than 30. Seven of our starters are under 27. The core of this defense is just entering it's prime.

Dockett
Lenon
Holliday
Eason
Rhodes
Wilson

and then James Sanders is 29. I guess I should have stated I think we are old in some key positions. DL we have three 30+ players and limited depth after them. At S, three of the five players are over 29, and two of those are free agents with limited depth behind them. Lenon is old and I'm not a believer in either Reggie Walker or Stewart Bradley. So, yes, the core of our defense is young but we are old on both the defensive line and at safety, and have no replacement for Paris Lenon on our roster.