2015 NBA Draft Thread

[Covert Rain]

We've been tuned into just about every speculation available and no one has connected Bledsoe to the 9th pick. You and the rest of us heard the chatter about the 4th, not the 9th, if you somehow heard something totally different than everyone else and it also somehow didn't make it into any other medium then I'd be very skeptical.

Its not about it getting into a pick war, just because Boston is offering picks does not mean we need to offer players. We certainly had the value in pure picks to jump to 9th, but if Charlotte wanted the 13th and the Miami picks or something then its not worth it, no matter what Boston may or may not have offered.

The only thing that can be said is that Charlotte wanted more than anyone was willing to offer.

I don't know what to tell you other than what I heard. It wasn't my speculation. I heard no talk about the 4th after that pick. PERIOD. Just pure logic says if the Suns were serious about moving up in the draft and so was Boston, they had to know Charlotte would even give them the time of day without dangling a valuable asset. Bledsoe is the only one worth dangling IMO.

To me none of this really matters. The fact that Bledsoe has been part of so many trade rumors (i.e. even the Knicks prior to the draft) should tell you something. Sounds like the Suns are willing to part with him. For what? I don't know. We probably never will know unless a trade goes down.

 

[Mainstreet]

I don't know what to tell you other than what I heard. It wasn't my speculation. I heard no talk about the 4th after that pick. PERIOD.

Just pure logic says if the Suns were serious about moving up in the draft and so was Boston, they had to know Charlotte would even give them the time of day without dangling a valuable asset. Bledsoe is the only one worth dangling IMO.

To me none of this really matters. The fact that Bledsoe has been part of so many trade rumors (i.e. even the Knicks prior to the draft) should tell you something.

There were a lot of rumors floating out there about this draft. Most of them were wrong. Hearing it on the radio does not make it a fact.

 

[Phrazbit]

I don't know what to tell you other than what I heard. It wasn't my speculation. I heard no talk about the 4th after that pick. PERIOD. Just pure logic says if the Suns were serious about moving up in the draft and so was Boston, they had to know Charlotte would even give them the time of day without dangling a valuable asset. Bledsoe is the only one worth dangling IMO.

To me none of this really matters. The fact that Bledsoe has been part of so many trade rumors (i.e. even the Knicks prior to the draft) should tell you something.

No, he isn't the only one worth dangling, this appears to be more about you undervaluing our other assets, especially in terms of picks. Again, it does not matter if Boston was involved because they didn't offer enough either. The Suns have more than enough draft assets to have jumped from 13th to 9th. All we know is that whatever Charlotte wanted it wasn't worth it to the other teams.

And to definitely end this silliness. The Hornets are over the cap, they cannot take on salary without sending a ton back the other way. I virtually guarantee Bledsoe was never in the conversation.

 

[Covert Rain]

There were a lot of rumors floating out there about this draft. Most of them were wrong. Hearing it on the radio does not make it a fact.

I agree. Just like reading it on the internet or the newspaper doesn't either. That is the point. The Suns are never (like most teams) are never going to confirm speculation on trades. It's not smart from a player or fan perspective. It's the easy out.

It's just Bledsoe's name keeps coming up again and again and again. Smoke.

 

[Phrazbit]

I agree. Just like reading it on the internet or the newspaper doesn't either. That is the point. The Suns are never (like most teams) are never going to confirm speculation on trades. It's not smart from a player or fan perspective. It's the easy out.

It's just Bledsoe's name keeps coming up again and again and again. Smoke.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Suns are open to moving him, I wouldn't be at all shocked if he was in the conversation for the #4 pick. But thinking he was being talked about for #4 can be tied to him being rejected in a swap for #9 is a HUGE leap, that is also baseless and, given the realities of the Hornets cap situation, goes against logic.

 

[Mainstreet]

I agree. Just like reading it on the internet or the newspaper doesn't either. That is the point. The Suns are never (like most teams) are never going to confirm speculation on trades. It's not smart from a player or fan perspective. It's the easy out.

It's just Bledsoe's name keeps coming up again and again and again. Smoke.

I'm not a draft expert but I would not trade Bledsoe for Kaminsky straight up. I can't believe the Suns would either. He is not projected to be a star. IMO, he is a career backup center.

 

[Covert Rain]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Suns are open to moving him, I wouldn't be at all shocked if he was in the conversation for the #4 pick. But thinking he was being talked about for #4 can be tied to him being rejected in a swap for #9 is a HUGE leap, that is also baseless and, given the realities of the Hornets cap situation, goes against logic.

The Suns were hot to trot for Kaminsky almost all the reports stated. I think they would have parted with Bledsoe for him. I bet Charlotte would have asked us to take a contract(s) back in return to make it work. I read that Charlotte was trying to move at least 3 players to soften the cap problems until the cap increased. I know easier said than done.

I bet if anything that's why it wouldn't work. I bet with all the heat the Suns have taken over the years regarding bad contracts, it probably would not have set well with the fans. Stephenson and Williams have expiring contracts totaling $16 million. Personally, I am glad we didn't make the move because the player I was hoping dropped (Willie Cauley-Stein) didn't fall that far and was off the board. To me after that pick it was a crap shoot anyway.

 

[Phrazbit]

The Suns were hot to trot for Kaminsky almost all the reports stated. I think they would have parted with Bledsoe for him. I bet Charlotte would have asked us to take a contract(s) back in return to make it work. I read that Charlotte was trying to move at least 3 players to soften the cap problems until the cap increased. I know easier said than done.

I bet if anything that's why it wouldn't work. I bet with all the heat the Suns have taken over the years regarding bad contracts, it probably would not have set well with the fans. Stephenson and Williams have expiring contracts totaling $16 million. Personally, I am glad we didn't make the move because the player I was hoping dropped (Willie Cauley-Stein) didn't fall that far and was off the board. To me after that pick it was a crap shoot anyway.

Stephenson is gone already.

They may have liked Kaminsky, but them liking a guy and them willing to give up Bledsoe for him is a huuuuuuge chasm to cross, especially when we have more than enough alternative assets to have worked something out if we really liked him.

Oh, and the Hornets have Kemba Walker on 48 million dollar extension that hasn't even kicked in yet.

Again, Bledsoe being in the mix defies reason... and the cap. I virtually guarantee he wasn't in play for the 9th pick.

 

[Covert Rain]

Stephenson is gone already.

They may have liked Kaminsky, but them liking a guy and them willing to give up Bledsoe for him is a huuuuuuge chasm to cross, especially when we have more than enough alternative assets to have worked something out if we really liked him.

Again, Bledsoe being in the mix defies reason... and the cap.

I didn't realize they moved him already. I really don't think it's as big a chasm as you think. I could be wrong but I think this is prime example of Phoenix once again overvaluing it's players.

 

[Phrazbit]

I didn't realize they moved him already. I really don't think it's as big a chasm as you think. I could be wrong but I think this is prime example of Phoenix once again overvaluing it's players.

I put in an edit between your post and mine; Charlotte also has fresh ink on Kemba Walker's 48 million dollar extension. There is no way Bledsoe was in the conversation.

And given that Boston also didn't make the move its really difficult to claim this is Phoenix overvaluing their players. Charlotte valued their own pick more than what teams were willing to part with.

Also, whatever misgivings people have with our front office, I trust their ability to evaluate talent and value more than Jordan's Hornets. If the Hornets couldn't make a deal with us or Danny Ainge I suspect its them who have the out of whack evaluation.

 

[JCSunsfan]

You can bet Charlotte wanted Warren. He is a hometown boy and they are really high on him there.

 

[Covert Rain]

I put in an edit between your post and mine; Charlotte also has fresh ink on Kemba Walker's 48 million dollar extension. There is no way Bledsoe was in the conversation.

And given that Boston also didn't make the move its really difficult to claim this is Phoenix overvaluing their players. Charlotte valued their own pick more than what teams were willing to part with.

Also, whatever misgivings people have with our front office, I trust their ability to evaluate talent and value more than Jordan's Hornets. If the Hornets couldn't make a deal with us or Danny Ainge I suspect its them who have the out of whack evaluation.

I just looked at their contracts and used the trade generator. There was still some contracts they could have asked the Suns to absorb plus is speculation that they will have 50 million in caps space the summer after the salary cap increase. If anything I think that's what would have killed any deal.

In terms of overvaluing? I think it's very possible they both overvalued what they had. The Suns in Bledsoe and the Hornets in their pick. Which might explain while any deal with Boston was a bust as well which I think you already mentioned.

I wonder if there is any shot at the Suns trying to work a 3 way deal that better benefits the team? It seems like now a days that usually works out better than straight up deals.

 

[Mainstreet]

I believe Gambadoro said the Suns were high on Notre Dame guard Pat Connaughton and they would draft him in the second round if he is available.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Harrell still available. They should move up and nab him.

 

[Phrazbit]

I just looked at their contracts and used the trade generator. There was still some contracts they could have asked the Suns to absorb plus is speculation that they will have 50 million in caps space the summer after the salary cap increase. If anything I think that's what would have killed any deal.

In terms of overvaluing? I think it's very possible they both overvalued what they had. The Suns in Bledsoe and the Hornets in their pick. Which might explain while any deal with Boston was a bust as well which I think you already mentioned.

I wonder if there is any shot at the Suns trying to work a 3 way deal that better benefits the team? It seems like now a days that usually works out better than straight up deals.

Whatever, IMO its really hard to continue to claim the Suns didn't make the deal because of an overvaluation of Bledsoe when its almost impossible to imagine how Bledsoe would have fit in a deal in the first place.

What makes infinitely more sense is that Charlotte probably wanted future picks... and more than either Boston or Phoenix were willing to surrender.

 

[Mainstreet]

Harrell still available. They should move up and nab him.

The Rockets heard you. Too bad the Suns could not get an earlier pick to get him.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

After taking centers for 2 straight years, the 76ers take 2 centers with their first two picks...

 

[Covert Rain]

Whatever, IMO its really hard to continue to claim the Suns didn't make the deal because of an overvaluation of Bledsoe when its almost impossible to imagine how Bledsoe would have fit in a deal in the first place.

What makes infinitely more sense is that Charlotte probably wanted future picks... and more than either Boston or Phoenix were willing to surrender.

OK, if you say so. I just hope the Suns still have moves up their sleeves and it won't shock me one bit if this team enters the season without Bledsoe.

 

[overseascardfan]

Hopefully Wood falls to #44.

Booker & Wood would make a nice draft.

 

[Mainstreet]

There goes the Gambo second round pick, guard Pat Connaughton. He looks pretty good on tape.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm hoping for center Mouhammadou Jaiteh at #44.

 

[SirStefan32]

Ahahaha, we get another twin.

 

[Mainstreet]

Aha. The Suns draft a PG in Andrew Harrison.

 

[JCSunsfan]

They took Harrison. Unbelievable.

 

[overseascardfan]

There has to be a trade in the works....they have too many PG's.