2016 Keim Time Thoughts Part 1

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Steve Keim is very likely going to turn some heads this off-season---for one, of the 13-14 FAs the Cardinals have this year, Keim probably won't sign more than 3-4 of them with LS Mike Leach being one of them. And those signings may not occur until the players have tested the market and have realized that Keim's market value offer is fair.

Early indications are that Jerraud Powers is asking for too much money---so he's likely gone.

Rashad Johnson is the brainiac of the secondary, but he has broken down physically dow the stretch the past two years. Word is the coaches want to start the Honey Badger at FS. If so, that means Johnson is out, unless he signs for something in the $1.8-$2M a year range.

Lyle Sendlein and Ted Larsen hung in there this season and played hard---but one would think that Keim will try to upgrade those positions. MJ mentioned G Alex Boone of SF as a possible FA target. If Boone's contract demands are reasonable, Keim will make a move like that, and then he will draft a center in round 3 or 4. Another G that might be of interest is Michael Harris, 6-5, 338, of the Vikings who started all 16 games this year and graded well. Harris can also play RT.

The plan all along is to start D.J. Humphries as RT. Earl Watford should be in the mix, as may Rob Crisp and John Wetzel, 2015 PS players just signed to Future's contracts. No one expects Bobby Massie to be re-signed. He may earn a decent contract somewhere else, as he is just heading into his prime.

Keim knows he needs to make this team tougher, more athletic and more physical. He knows he needs to bring in a couple of pass rushers, a CB with size (Jermaine Johnson, 6-2, 210, Rams?) and a big S (draft?).

Keim locked up the one FA he was nervous of losing---CB Justin Bethel. The expectation is for Bethel to learn from this year's experience and to grow into a solid CB or possibly be switched over to safety.

Now SK would like to get a deal done with Tyrann Mathieu.

When Keim assesses the roster---and determines which players are being overpaid, don't be surprised if Keim plays hard ball with these guys and gets them to redo their deals or trades them (if possible) or releases them.

DE Calais Campbell----$15.2M 2016 cap hit ($5.5M dead money)
LB Daryl Washington---$7.5 ($5.5M dead money)
WR Michael Floyd---$7.3M ($0 dead money)
G Jonathan Cooper---$4.6M ($2.9M dead money)
DE Cory Redding----$4M ($1M dead money)
DT Corey Peters---$2.6M ($1.3M dead money)

One would think that Keim will try to negotiate fair market deals with Campbell and Floyd, especially to try to create more cap space.

As for the others on that list, it would not be surprising if Keim tries to trade Cooper---let's be real---if he couldn't beat out Larsen, he's not in their future plans.

Finally the team will cut ties with Daryl Washington.

And it looks very likely that Redding will be asked to take a pay cut or to move on. He may even opt to retire.

Peters' contract is still fairly reasonable---but SK might just want to go in a different direction, such as putting stock in Xavier Williams.

MJ says the team wants QB Drew Stanton back. Stanton has indicated that he wants to stay in AZ. Not sure if Keim will want to pay him a deal in the $4M a year range which MJ said today is the going rate for #2 QBs these days.

The two most interesting FAs (imo) are RB Chris Johnson and DE Dwight Freeney---they both were outstanding late pickups by Steve Keim. Johnson was surprisingly tough---which served as a good example for David Johnson---and Freeney was productive as a situational rusher and can help mentor the youth at the position (Golden, Okafor, Martin, Fua, Riddick, Wagenmann, Reilly).
 
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Here are all the Cardinal UFAs, and what there salary was for 2015. Which ones do you offer contracts to? The only one I see as a definite is Leach. I don't recall one bad snap on special teams. The only others I would consider is Freeney and C. Johnson, maybe Gresham if the price was right since he is a capable blocker.

I think Powers prices himself out of reasonable and someone will offer him more than the team is willing to spend on him. I think the team offers Mauro a contract as a depth player.
 

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Here are the teams RFA and ERFA players. The only one I see here that the team might let walk is Demens.
 

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Why after having a good show against Green Bay in the regular season Swearinger played just few snaps on the following matches?
 

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Why after having a good show against Green Bay in the regular season Swearinger played just few snaps on the following matches?

That is the same question I have been asking myself for some time now.
 

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That is the same question I have been asking myself for some time now.
Sometimes i see some weird decisions
Benching Cooper for Larsen,i know Cooper didnt play well enough comparing his draft status but he played better then Larsen,our rushing stats were better with him on the field.
Why Floyd was benched for 2 quarters against carolina why trying lob throws to john brown in the end end zone with double coverage
Why trying a Wildcat play in the most important match of the season?
 
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If they sign a guard in FA, it seems to me, that Cooper is physically ideal for the centre spot.
 

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Here are the teams RFA and ERFA players. The only one I see here that the team might let walk is Demens.

I think the Cards coverage on ST missed Demens badly. I hope they try to find a better option at P than Butler.
 

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Long Snapper Mike Leach announced his retirement this morning
 

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Sometimes i see some weird decisions
Benching Cooper for Larsen,i know Cooper didnt play well enough comparing his draft status but he played better then Larsen,our rushing stats were better with him on the field.
Why Floyd was benched for 2 quarters against carolina why trying lob throws to john brown in the end end zone with double coverage
Why trying a Wildcat play in the most important match of the season?

Inquiring minds need to know. Been wondering about all of this myself.
 

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I think with the bigger Safety issue, Keim will end up signing or drafting a real ILB and moving Deone back to his original position at SS.
 
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I'm not sure Cooper has much trade value right now but we'll see if other NFL teams are as down on him as Arians seems to be. he's saying he'll start but that may be a trade value thing.

Unless Peters is just not healthy I don't see why we would suddenly move on from him. He was reportedly our best DL in camp last year before he got hurt, unless they just think he can't play anymore because of the injury, why cut him, and if they do, it will probably be on some injury settlement if that's why they're moving on.

He was an interesting sign to begin with he was a good player who got hurt and never really got his starting spot back. But he was a guy several teams really liked apparently the footbal analyst types felt he was highly underrated and should have been playing more. We apparently loved him in camp until the injury, my guess is if he's recovered he'll start.

I think they try do a cap friendly deal with CC and Floyd. If anybody is going to get traded it's Floyd IMO.

I'm ok with moving on from Rashad he's just too slow. If it were me I'd move Bethel to S I don't think he can play with his back to the ball well enough to play CB.

We need a better punter and now we need a LS.
 

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Troy niklas could be converted long snapper
So we could end up about being the 1st team to draft a long snapper with a top 50 pick

What about drafting a OT who couldn`t figure out how to play right tackle as a number 1 draft pick.Or having to constantly pay for a middle linebacker who is a pothead and abuser?
 

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I get the sense Cooper is somehow rubbing coaches the wrong way and this is their way of showing him that they pay him and if he doesn't do what he's told he's going to ride the bench.

It doesn't mean they've given up on him it means until and unless he does what he's told he's not going to play.

So he may go or he may stay it's probably up to him and if he learns to understand basic stuff like if you work for someone and get paid to do what you're doing you do what you're told to do or you find another job.
 

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I love your analysis of all things Cardinal Mitch, but there is a lot in your early assessment which I think you will change drastically in just a few months... and the thought of anyone thinking the Cardinals are not going to want Floyd and then insult a young player like him by redoing a contract for him at the moment is not thinking straight because Floyd is a legit number one but it seems because he is not Fitz or they have Notre Dame hate, people severely underappreciate his value
 

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Better to spend some money to keep some younger FA guys around instead of over-the-hill guys like Woodley or Wetherspoon who had little left in the tank.Same with Redding.great team guy but how much does his presence make gamewise? Let him retire and see if he is interested in coaching.As for Dopey Washington just forget his worthless pothead self.
 

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I love your analysis of all things Cardinal Mitch, but there is a lot in your early assessment which I think you will change drastically in just a few months... and the thought of anyone thinking the Cardinals are not going to want Floyd and then insult a young player like him by redoing a contract for him at the moment is not thinking straight because Floyd is a legit number one but it seems because he is not Fitz or they have Notre Dame hate, people severely underappreciate his value

The reason people think that on Floyd is that back before the draft the Cards were telling people they were open to trading Floyd but didn't have any good offers yet.

That story was all over the place, he's good, but they don't think he's consistent enough and were high enough on other WR's they were willing to trade him for the right value.
 

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...inals-open-to-trade-offers-for-michael-floyd/

That's PFT citing Kent Somers. Urban had a similar report as did Jay Glazer. That is it was very apparent the Cards were trying to find out the market on Floyd.

He's a good to very good WR it's just that virtually everyone thinks he should be better than he is because he's so inconsistent week to week.

I do think to an extent that's true of all our WR's except Fitz. We seem to have a go to the hot matchup style of throwing the ball so you'll see John Brown have a huge game and then not do anything the next 2 weeks as we use him as a decoy.
 

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Sometimes i see some weird decisions
Benching Cooper for Larsen,i know Cooper didnt play well enough comparing his draft status but he played better then Larsen,our rushing stats were better with him on the field.

I have always thought, though never mentioned it here, that Larson played to help out Massie. Larson is a vet, and Massie, though talented, really was struggling with his assignments. Cooper was having a hard enough time himself, and couldn't help Massie the way that Larson could. The other piece of that was Cooper getting hurt. Right or wrong, Arians gets pissed about certain injuries which he thinks can be played through. Again, pure speculation on my part.

Having said all of that, to say Cooper is on thin ice is a severe understatement. Signing 2 high priced FA OL and picking another OL last year after drafting Coop just 2 years earlier says a lot. Also, Arians also said last year when Lindley played over Logan Thomas that Thomas was going to be fine "in the future." How'd that play out?
 

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I have always thought, though never mentioned it here, that Larson played to help out Massie. Larson is a vet, and Massie, though talented, really was struggling with his assignments. Cooper was having a hard enough time himself, and couldn't help Massie the way that Larson could. The other piece of that was Cooper getting hurt. Right or wrong, Arians gets pissed about certain injuries which he thinks can be played through. Again, pure speculation on my part.

If that is the case, the thought of Cooper and Humphries being the anchor of the right side of the line next season is freaking scary. Humphries might as well be a rookie, he may have been in practice but he never put on his game day uniform.
 

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Steve Keim is very likely going to turn some heads this off-season---for one, of the 13-14 FAs the Cardinals have this year, Keim probably won't sign more than 3-4 of them with LS Mike Leach being one of them. And those signings may not occur until the players have tested the market and have realized that Keim's market value offer is fair.

Early indications are that Jerraud Powers is asking for too much money---so he's likely gone.

Rashad Johnson is the brainiac of the secondary, but he has broken down physically dow the stretch the past two years. Word is the coaches want to start the Honey Badger at FS. If so, that means Johnson is out, unless he signs for something in the $1.8-$2M a year range.


Lyle Sendlein and Ted Larsen hung in there this season and played hard---but one would think that Keim will try to upgrade those positions. MJ mentioned G Alex Boone of SF as a possible FA target. If Boone's contract demands are reasonable, Keim will make a move like that, and then he will draft a center in round 3 or 4. Another G that might be of interest is Michael Harris, 6-5, 338, of the Vikings who started all 16 games this year and graded well. Harris can also play RT.

The plan all along is to start D.J. Humphries as RT. Earl Watford should be in the mix, as may Rob Crisp and John Wetzel, 2015 PS players just signed to Future's contracts. No one expects Bobby Massie to be re-signed. He may earn a decent contract somewhere else, as he is just heading into his prime.

Keim knows he needs to make this team tougher, more athletic and more physical. He knows he needs to bring in a couple of pass rushers, a CB with size (Jermaine Johnson, 6-2, 210, Rams?) and a big S (draft?).

Keim locked up the one FA he was nervous of losing---CB Justin Bethel. The expectation is for Bethel to learn from this year's experience and to grow into a solid CB or possibly be switched over to safety.

Now SK would like to get a deal done with Tyrann Mathieu.

When Keim assesses the roster---and determines which players are being overpaid, don't be surprised if Keim plays hard ball with these guys and gets them to redo their deals or trades them (if possible) or releases them.

DE Calais Campbell----$15.2M 2016 cap hit ($5.5M dead money)
LB Daryl Washington---$7.5 ($5.5M dead money)
WR Michael Floyd---$7.3M ($0 dead money)
G Jonathan Cooper---$4.6M ($2.9M dead money)
DE Cory Redding----$4M ($1M dead money)
DT Corey Peters---$2.6M ($1.3M dead money)

One would think that Keim will try to negotiate fair market deals with Campbell and Floyd, especially to try to create more cap space.

As for the others on that list, it would not be surprising if Keim tries to trade Cooper---let's be real---if he couldn't beat out Larsen, he's not in their future plans.

Finally the team will cut ties with Daryl Washington.

And it looks very likely that Redding will be asked to take a pay cut or to move on. He may even opt to retire.

Peters' contract is still fairly reasonable---but SK might just want to go in a different direction, such as putting stock in Xavier Williams.

MJ says the team wants QB Drew Stanton back. Stanton has indicated that he wants to stay in AZ. Not sure if Keim will want to pay him a deal in the $4M a year range which MJ said today is the going rate for #2 QBs these days.

The two most interesting FAs (imo) are RB Chris Johnson and DE Dwight Freeney---they both were outstanding late pickups by Steve Keim. Johnson was surprisingly tough---which served as a good example for David Johnson---and Freeney was productive as a situational rusher and can help mentor the youth at the position (Golden, Okafor, Martin, Fua, Riddick, Wagenmann, Reilly).

These are what I am curious about? Where have you heard that the Cardinals in interested in putting Mathieu, a player who excels close to the LOS and freelancing, at the FS spot where he wouldn't be able to do those things?

Also, where have you heard about Powers contract demands?

I'm curious because I have not heard either of these things at this point.
 

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Also, I don't see why we would commit to Floyd long term when we don't have a plan at QB long term. We can always franchise him in 2017 if he has a great year.

Washington is a lock to get cut IMO.

Campbell will be approached about an extension.

I don't see the reason for cutting Cooper, and Peters.

Redding is probably gone at that number.
 

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Also, where have you heard about Powers contract demands?

I'm curious because I have not heard either of these things at this point.

Powers made $5.3 million in 2015. He played terrible at CB, one of the worst in the NFL. No way should we bring him back especially at that rate.
 
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These are what I am curious about? Where have you heard that the Cardinals in interested in putting Mathieu, a player who excels close to the LOS and freelancing, at the FS spot where he wouldn't be able to do those things?

Also, where have you heard about Powers contract demands?

I'm curious because I have not heard either of these things at this point.

MJ was the source---I've been listening to him the past few nights. He said that the coaches feel that FS would help Mathieu stay healthier. Now---I don't agree with that either. His ability to play all over the field gives teams fits. Plus, he is by far our best blitzer.

MJ also said that he heard Powers' asking price and he chuckled---in other words, he thought it was absurd.

As for Floyd---I don't think they want to devote $7.2M of the cap to him, which is why signing him to long-term deal could help with the cap.

As for Cooper and Peters, if the coaches are convinced they won't start, Steve Keim would be loathe to retain them at starters' money. Knowing Keim's recent history, he can sign 4-5 prove it deals at or near the minimum with the money he could save from letting Cooper and Peters go. The talk right now is that Cooper is going to get his chance---honestly, I think the coaches have already made up their minds on Cooper and BA can't say anything yet, nor should he, especially if they want to dangle him in trade talks.
 
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