2017 1st round pick is Haason Reddick

[AsUpRoDiGy]

For me this pick was disappointing because of who was available on the board. Foster, Hooker and OJ Howard were better prospects IMO. I don't love taking players in round 1 who aren't able to play that position in the pros. I'm also not excited about a LB who isn't an explosive tackler. People will point to Deone Bucannon to back this pick and for me it does the exact opposite. That being said, I think Reddick will be an ok pro. I just don't see him being a special player.

Hooker was my dream pick...never thought he'd fall to #13, and even more amazed Keim passed him up. Reddick is a ridiculously good athlete, but Hooker is the much better football player...in my opinion.

 

[Yuma]

Not saying they are the same player, but Riddick is a DW but way younger. Dude has edge rush speed. We need pass rush, and at that spot, I like Reddick.

Let’s be clear: if Hooker falls because of health issues, that could certainly be a concern for the Bucs, too. It wouldn’t be the first time for a highly rated prospect to drop a long way because of offseason surgeries—see Da’Quan Bowers, for instance. So even if he falls, there’s no guarantee Tampa Bay would take him.

 

[Mr. Boldin]

I get the talk about Hooker. I liked him and thought he would be a great pick at 13.

However, a little forward thinking is needed here, so follow along with this thought expriment.

We dont know where Keim had Hooker on his board, but we do know Reddick was top 5. We do know he fits with the style Keim wants to build on defense (and has). We also know we have Harlan Miller and Brandon Williams in the secondary from last draft.

So, using this thought experiment as our logic, one could conclude:

1. Keim and Arians like one of Miller/Williams at either CB or S (Miller).
2. Keim and Arians believe they can plug a hole at CB or S in rounds 2 or 3.

Furthermore, Reddick could have been rated higher than Hooker due to the off the charts athleticism AND scarcity of resource by position. Weve heard the draft is deep in the secondary. We know edge rushers are always at a premium. We know SPARQ scores are highly influencing draft picks recently (Reddick tested very high). Finally, we know it is unlikely we land a guy who can play at ILB with the development to cause havoc rushing and with the ability to drop, later in the draft.

Not saying any of this is correct, but I am trying to lay out some potential logic. If we skip one of CB or S this draft and land the other in Day 2, we can likely confirm some of this logic. We also could draft CB and S in round 2 and 3, ect.

Point being, the picture will be a bit more visible this time tomorrow evening.

 

[THESMEL]

Reddick's athleticism has blossomed over the past two seasons for the Owls. The former high school running back and safety showed flashes as a pass rusher in his redshirt freshman (14 tackles, four for loss, one sack) and sophomore (23 tackles, seven TFL, 1.5 sacks) seasons. Reddick and teammate Dion Dawkins got into trouble for an assault outside a Philadelphia nightclub in March 2015, but was not suspended. He was selected for honorable mention All-American Athletic Conference honors that year, starting 12 times, making 45 tackles, 12.5 for loss, and five sacks. The Camden, New Jersey native garnered first-team all-conference recognition for head coach Matt Rhule as a senior, finishing third in the nation with 22.5 tackles for loss and leading the Owls with 10.5 sacks.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/haason-reddick?id=2557887

 

[daves]

I loved Hooker but the reality is finding LBs with a 4.5 speed (who said he was slower than Washington???) are much harder to find than safeties.

Wow - i had to look it up, but just saw that Reddick's Combine performance was better than Washington's on every measure. Also, Reddick is slightly heavier though an inch shorter.

...dbs

 

[BullheadCardFan]

If Reddick can be a sideline to sideline ILB that can rush the passer, cover a TE and fill holes on run plays then I will be happy. He seems to have the tools and hopefully it will translate to the NFL. We have been lacking inside speed since DWash and Dansby played the middle.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Meh

Yup. Right there with you.

Anti-climatic, and a little disappointing when Jonathan Allen and Mailk Hooker are there.

We will see, but there is little optimism from myself this will be more than a "depth guy". Yet, that may just be because I was hell bent on Malik Hooker, and excited to see Jonathan Allen there for the taking.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Hooker was my dream pick...never thought he'd fall to #13, and even more amazed Keim passed him up. Reddick is a ridiculously good athlete, but Hooker is the much better football player...in my opinion.

+1

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I had 4 players I wanted at this pick and he was one. I cannot complain.

I loved Hooker but the reality is finding LBs with a 4.5 speed (who said he was slower than Washington???) are much harder to find than safeties.

Mr. Sanders, you are 100% correct on that.

First time I had even thought about it that way. I guess the question is Malik Hooker THAT special of a player ? Good question, I think so, but I also think my thought on this maybe more with need in mind. I just though Hooker would complete the secondary to a point where there would be no holes.

......who knows. We will see. On to the second round.

 

[Stout]

Yup. Right there with you.

Anti-climatic, and a little disappointing when Jonathan Allen and Mailk Hooker are there.

We will see, but there is little optimism from myself this will be more than a "depth guy". Yet, that may just be because I was hell bent on Malik Hooker, and excited to see Jonathan Allen there for the taking.

+1. I'll add OJ Howard to the list. I mean, I wasn't hell-bent on any of them, but felt thrilled that they fell to our pick. I mean, three plug-and-play draft stars right there, with us on the clock...and Keim bunts and proves he STILL HASN'T LEARNED HIS FRACKING LESSON!

I say we just trade out of the 1st round from now on and just draft in the 2nd and get depth picks.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I say we just trade out of the 1st round from now on and just draft in the 2nd and get depth picks.

Same though crossed my mind as well.

That being said, the last pick that I wasn't too high on, DJ Humphries, is starting to look REAL good.

But, as you stated, the Cardinals bread and butter rounds are going down tonight.

 

[Stout]

Same though crossed my mind as well.

That being said, the last pick that I wasn't too high on, DJ Humphries, is starting to look REAL good.

But, as you stated, the Cardinals bread and butter rounds are going down tonight.

He's entering his THIRD season and has had a handful of decent starts. Not exactly blowing us away here. IF he becomes a solid LT, great--then how many years will we have left of control?

Why do we keep drafting projects in the 1st round? It doesn't make sense.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Love this pick. Didn't think he would make it past the Bungles. Draft really lined up for the Cardinals and they let it just fall to them. I had a feeling that there might be a run on offensive players that would allow a defensive stud to drop to the Cardinals.

The Cardinals landed one of the best pass rushers in the draft. That is gold in the first round. With so many DBs still left in the draft there was no need to go for Hooker. Reddick offers a lot for the Cardinals:

1. Positional Flexibility - He can play OLB and ILB. Expect him to be a special teams standout as well.
2. Pass Rusher - Proven pass rusher in college with numbers and film to back it up.
3. SPEED and Athleticism - This kid is a Freak!
4. Football Character - This kid is hungry. Nothing was given to him. No sense of entitlement here, he earned everything himself!
5. Alpha Dog vs his peers - See the Senior Bowl

It was at the Senior Bowl where I first really starting to look at this kid. Originally I thought the Cardinals might be able to land him as a steal in the 2nd round. No way after the performance that he had at the Senior Bowl. He was the Alpha Dog down there. Linemen couldn't block him and RBs couldn't shake him. At Temple he wasn't asked to cover much and during the Senior Bowl week he looked like a natural dropping back into coverage.

You can never have too many pass rushers. They are like gold in the NFL. Now all of a sudden the Cardinals have a wealth of pass rushers. I couldn't be more happy.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

He's entering his THIRD season and has had a handful of decent starts. Not exactly blowing us away here. IF he becomes a solid LT, great--then how many years will we have left of control?

Why do we keep drafting projects in the 1st round? It doesn't make sense.

Yup. He was 21 when he entered the league. 3rd year is usually what to you give a prospect. I have no issues with how the kid has developed. After years of watching the Cardinals fall on their face with offensive line prospects, I am more than happy with how they have invested in the offensive line over the last couple of years. Just me I guess.

 

[TJ]

Interesting. Jurecki said the decision to pick Reddick over Foster was a no-brainer. Indicated that there were concerns about conduct, failed drug test, and low football IQ.


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[TJ]

I say we just trade out of the 1st round from now on and just draft in the 2nd and get depth picks.

The entertainment from this message board during draft week never fails.

 

[Matt L]

Not going to claim to be a scout, but the last few years have seen teams prioritize the SPARQ ratings from draft picks. I know there were a few articles going around about it on here from the Ringer, B/R, ect.

That said, Reddick ranks:

4th best SPARQ score (141.3) from EDGE players at the combine and 5th overall at the position (all prospects, not just combine).

His z-score, which is basically point above league average at the position is 1.6, and he ranks in the 94.8th percentile at the position in the NFL. Basically, hes a near elite athlete on the edge and is definitely in the elite category if he can hold up at ILB.

This makes me warm up to him. Where was Hooker on the SPARRQ score?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

+1. I'll add OJ Howard to the list. I mean, I wasn't hell-bent on any of them, but felt thrilled that they fell to our pick. I mean, three plug-and-play draft stars right there, with us on the clock...and Keim bunts and proves he STILL HASN'T LEARNED HIS FRACKING LESSON!

I say we just trade out of the 1st round from now on and just draft in the 2nd and get depth picks.

agree. First round is where you add guys with superior talent.

Keim continues to play it safe in round 1. Guys like hooker are hard to come by.

 

[Stout]

Love this pick. Didn't think he would make it past the Bungles. Draft really lined up for the Cardinals and they let it just fall to them. I had a feeling that there might be a run on offensive players that would allow a defensive stud to drop to the Cardinals.

The Cardinals landed one of the best pass rushers in the draft. That is gold in the first round. With so many DBs still left in the draft there was no need to go for Hooker. Reddick offers a lot for the Cardinals:

1. Positional Flexibility - He can play OLB and ILB. Expect him to be a special teams standout as well.
2. Pass Rusher - Proven pass rusher in college with numbers and film to back it up.
3. SPEED and Athleticism - This kid is a Freak!
4. Football Character - This kid is hungry. Nothing was given to him. No sense of entitlement here, he earned everything himself!
5. Alpha Dog vs his peers - See the Senior Bowl

It was at the Senior Bowl where I first really starting to look at this kid. Originally I thought the Cardinals might be able to land him as a steal in the 2nd round. No way after the performance that he had at the Senior Bowl. He was the Alpha Dog down there. Linemen couldn't block him and RBs couldn't shake him. At Temple he wasn't asked to cover much and during the Senior Bowl week he looked like a natural dropping back into coverage.

You can never have too many pass rushers. They are like gold in the NFL. Now all of a sudden the Cardinals have a wealth of pass rushers. I couldn't be more happy.

Your #1 positive about the guy includes special teams. For our #1 pick. That says it all. We went for a tweener athlete without a position that no one is predicting will start at #13 IN THE DRAFT. Ugh.

agree. First round is where you add guys with superior talent.

Keim continues to play it safe in round 1. Guys like hooker are hard to come by.

Yep, we bunted.

 

[BigRedRage]

Your #1 positive about the guy includes special teams. For our #1 pick. That says it all. We went for a tweener athlete without a position that no one is predicting will start at #13 IN THE DRAFT. Ugh.




Yep, we bunted.

I'm not sure Foster or Hooker would have started right away either besides in sub packages. You have TM and Bethea starting at safety to begin the season along with dansby and bucannon at ILB to start the season. Any S or LB was likely to be sub packages while they get up to speed behind the veterans.

CB seems the only position someone could have jumped in an immediately took over the #2 spot on D. Maybe a DL as well. Thats about it.

 

[Cheesebeef]

"He should play immediately in our nickel defense".

- Bruce Arians

http://www.espn.com/blog/arizona-ca...2017-draft-picks-analysis-for-every-selection

This is a preemptive post for anyone who's going to claim down the line that he was taken as a redshirt year if he becomes the third straight first rounder to never see the field in his rookie year.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Your #1 positive about the guy includes special teams. For our #1 pick. That says it all. We went for a tweener athlete without a position that no one is predicting will start at #13 IN THE DRAFT. Ugh.

Being able to play on special teams is not a negative. Especially when your special teams unit ranked #32 overall the season before.

"without a position?"... You are stuck in the past. This game is starting to leave you behind. Players with positional flexibility is where Defenses like the Cardinals have been moving over the last decade. A pass rusher who can me moved around like Reddick is not a player without a position.

 

[oaken1]

Being able to play on special teams is not a negative. Especially when you special teams unit ranked #32 overall the season before.

"without a position?"... You are stuck in the past. This game is starting to leave you behind. Players with positional flexibility is where Defenses like the Cardinals have been moving over the last decade. A pass rusher who can me moved around like Reddick is not a player without a position.

I agree... funny how a guy like McCaffrey gets praise for being able to do multiple things but a defender gets bashed for it.

 

[ajcardfan]

"He should play immediately in our nickel defense".

- Bruce Arians

http://www.espn.com/blog/arizona-ca...2017-draft-picks-analysis-for-every-selection

This is a preemptive post for anyone who's going to claim down the line that he was taken as a redshirt year if he becomes the third straight first rounder to never see the field in his rookie year.

I bet you can find quotes along those lines about Humphries and Nkemdiche right after they had been drafted too. Hopefully this kid will actually have the work ethic needed, and our last two first rounders did not have IMO, to get on the field and make an impact as a rookie.

Obviously, it will help the defense a lot if he can be a contributor. With the losses we had, we need it.

 

[football karma]

some tidbits from Doug / Wolf on the drive in:

Cards had medical red flags on both Hooker and Allen

Keim implied that the whole QB thing at 13 was a ruse

Wolf noted the Cards liked Mahomes and then Watson, but not sure if that would have been the pick at 13 if they were there