2018 NBA Trade Deadline

[JCSunsfan]

What's the asking price? Or is 27 too old for the "timeline" fantasy?

I think the asking price is pretty well spelled out in the article.

Take on at least one of Charlotte's horrible contracts.
A quality young player and/or a first round draft pick.

The only thing that to me would have any merit would be

Greg Monroe, Brandon Knight, and a future first for Kemba and Dwight. But for Charlotte, I don't think it would be enough, and for the Suns, that is a much salary cap hell as they are willing to endure.

Don't see it happening.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

I think the timing may be bad. I don't think Walker's too old. Really, Bledsoe was never too old. The problem as I saw it was that Bledsoe was established as the team's top player, which made it harder to just make it Booker's team. I wonder if Booker flourishes to the degree he has if Bledsoe never gets traded. (He'd still be awesome, but who knows?)

I like Walker a lot, but trading for him midseason probably negates any chance we have of getting a franchise-changing talent in the draft. It means we're committing to this being our team, particularly if the Suns have to bring on a bad contract.

I'd much rather play this season out, hopefully add one of the Big 6, and then go all in to add a player like Walker to complete the team. (An established big if you get Young or Doncic)

 

[Chaplin]

What's the asking price? Or is 27 too old for the "timeline" fantasy?

Give me a freaking break. There is a big difference between 27-year-old Kemba Walker and 27-year-old Jrue Holliday. That's why I was open to getting Kyrie.

Why do you do these subtle digs at other posters?

 

[SirStefan32]

Well, they are humorous.

 

[elindholm]

Give me a freaking break. There is a big difference between 27-year-old Kemba Walker and 27-year-old Jrue Holliday.

Can you PROVE there's a big difference between the two of them?

 

[Mainstreet]

I think the timing may be bad. I don't think Walker's too old. Really, Bledsoe was never too old. The problem as I saw it was that Bledsoe was established as the team's top player, which made it harder to just make it Booker's team. I wonder if Booker flourishes to the degree he has if Bledsoe never gets traded. (He'd still be awesome, but who knows?)

I like Walker a lot, but trading for him midseason probably negates any chance we have of getting a franchise-changing talent in the draft. It means we're committing to this being our team, particularly if the Suns have to bring on a bad contract.

I'd much rather play this season out, hopefully add one of the Big 6, and then go all in to add a player like Walker to complete the team. (An established big if you get Young or Doncic)

I'm in agreement with this line of thought unless the Suns decide to declare their rebuild done. Their next step would be likely to draft a center.

This season would essentially be thrust into limbo where the Suns do not get an early draft pick nor make the playoffs. Also this would resemble the Bledsoe trade in reverse where the Suns give up a draft pick and take on salary. Also the Suns would need to be prepared to offer Walker the max.

If the trade for Walker occurred earlier in the season I would probably be all ears but now I'm inclined to wait for the draft before making a major trade. Still the Suns need to think about it.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

I'm in agreement with this line of thought unless the Suns decide to declare their rebuild done. Their next step would be likely to draft a center.

This season would essentially be thrust into limbo where the Suns do not get an early draft pick nor make the playoffs. Also this would resemble the Bledsoe trade in reverse where the Suns give up a draft pick and take on salary. Also the Suns would need to be prepared to offer Walker the max.

If the trade for Walker occurred earlier in the season I would probably be all ears but now I'm inclined to wait for the draft before making a major trade. Still the Suns need to think about it.

I think I would be open to it if it weren't for this draft class. Rick Carlisle recently compared this year's class to the 1984 draft! In a league where superstars are everything, the chance to pair Booker with another elite young player is too important to risk it.

 

[elindholm]

I think the asking price is pretty well spelled out in the article.

Take on at least one of Charlotte's horrible contracts.
A quality young player and/or a first round draft pick.

The only thing that to me would have any merit would be

Greg Monroe, Brandon Knight, and a future first for Kemba and Dwight. But for Charlotte, I don't think it would be enough, and for the Suns, that is a much salary cap hell as they are willing to endure.

Don't see it happening.

I would consider Monroe and Dudley for Walker and Marvin Williams. Williams is signed through 2020, so his last year would be the first year of Booker's extension. That's not ideal, but the Suns don't figure to have a huge payroll then (yet).

But CPN's argument has merit that the Suns might as well tank the season out and be in a better position to get a difference-maker in the draft. It's just a shame to see the Suns' current salary flexibility, and Monroe's expiring contract in particular, go to waste.

 

[SirStefan32]

I agree with Mainstreet and ColdPickleNachos. While I am against intentional tanking, I think I am inclined to say no to any deal that would significantly improve the roster, but not improve it enough to declare the rebuild complete. Tricky part is also not knowing where Suns will pick and who will be available. Say they trade a bunch of stuff for Walker, and then it turns out Young or Doncic are available, but Ayton, Mamba, Bagley are gone. Reverse is also true- say they trade for Whiteside and then one of the bigs end up available but Doncic and Young are gone. I suppose they could play Walker while Young (or Doncic) develop, but I think Walker makes them too good to end up in early lottery.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

What would be amazing (and slightly less realistic for various reasons) is if we could get Walker after the season. Not sure what it would cost, but let's say it was all picks...I could go for a roster like this:

PG Walker Ulis Canaan
SG Booker Reed Daniels
SF Warren Jackson House
PF Chriss Bender Dudley
C Ayton Chandler Williams

I think that's the dream within realistic possibilities. Even then, it's a pretty optimistic version of reality.

Edit: They would need some sort of salary and maybe a promising young player back.

The point is, I could go for a main six like this:

Walker
Booker
Warren
Chriss/Bender
Ayton/Bagley/Bamba
Jackson

 

[SirStefan32]

I would consider Monroe and Dudley for Walker and Marvin Williams. Williams is signed through 2020, so his last year would be the first year of Booker's extension. That's not ideal, but the Suns don't figure to have a huge payroll then (yet).

But CPN's argument has merit that the Suns might as well tank the season out and be in a better position to get a difference-maker in the draft. It's just a shame to see the Suns' current salary flexibility, and Monroe's expiring contract in particular, go to waste.

This is very true.

 

[SirStefan32]

What would be amazing (and slightly less realistic for various reasons) is if we could get Walker after the season. Not sure what it would cost, but let's say it was all picks...I could go for a roster like this:

PG Walker Ulis Canaan
SG Booker Reed Daniels
SF Warren Jackson House
PF Chriss Bender Dudley
C Ayton Chandler Williams

I think that's the dream within realistic possibilities. Even then, it's a pretty optimistic version of reality.

I wonder if they could sit Walker the rest of the year if they traded for him now.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

I wonder if they could sit Walker the rest of the year if they traded for him now.

Hahaha! While that would be great, I think that plus last year's Bledsoe thing might give the Suns a really rough reputation around the league.

 

[SirStefan32]

He could develop back spasms or a pulled groin, perhaps? A flu/ cold a couple of times?

 

[Mainstreet]

The thing I'm unclear about is Walker's $12 million dollar contract (per season) expires after next season. Would the Suns retain rights to him?

Especially if the Sun sit him.

http://hoopshype.com/player/kemba-walker/salary/

 

[Chaplin]

Can you PROVE there's a big difference between the two of them?

Is this a trick question?

 

[SirStefan32]

I believe so. I am sure they would want the Suns to take on on e of their awful contracts though. Batum, Howard, Zellers, MKG. That Batum contract is especially nasty- three more seasons between $24 and $27M. Howard's contract at least would be an expiring next year.

EDIT: This was in response to Mainstreet's question.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

My first post on here was recommending us signing Batum. Elindholm, I think it was, accused me of being Batum's agent and trying to drive up his price hahaha! It's a good reminder to check myself every time I black out from rage at McDonough for the Brandon Knight trade.

 

[JCSunsfan]

This is very true.

Monroe's expiring is valuable to us as an expiring. No matter what we do, there is benefit.

 

[SirStefan32]

My first post on here was recommending us signing Batum. Elindholm, I think it was, accused me of being Batum's agent and trying to drive up his price hahaha! It's a good reminder to check myself every time I black out from rage at McDonough for the Brandon Knight trade.

When I get angry about the draft choices like Bender and Chriss, I remind myself I wanted Tskitishvili over Amare back in the day.

 

[SirStefan32]

Monroe's expiring is valuable to us as an expiring. No matter what we do, there is benefit.

Oh no doubt! It has value, but with all the teams having overspent in the last couple of years, I keep hoping something will be available. In other words, I am hoping some team finds an expiring contract MORE valuable than the Suns do.

 

[Mainstreet]

What would be amazing (and slightly less realistic for various reasons) is if we could get Walker after the season. Not sure what it would cost, but let's say it was all picks...I could go for a roster like this:

PG Walker Ulis Canaan
SG Booker Reed Daniels
SF Warren Jackson House
PF Chriss Bender Dudley
C Ayton Chandler Williams

I think that's the dream within realistic possibilities. Even then, it's a pretty optimistic version of reality.

Edit: They would need some sort of salary and maybe a promising young player back.

The point is, I could go for a main six like this:

Walker
Booker
Warren
Chriss/Bender
Ayton/Bagley/Bamba
Jackson

And it wouldn't effect the Suns draft position to obtain one of these key players.

Still there would need to be some assurance Walker would remain a Sun after the 2018-19 season.

 

[Mainstreet]

Oh no doubt! It has value, but with all the teams having overspent in the last couple of years, I keep hoping something will be available. In other words, I am hoping some team finds an expiring contract MORE valuable than the Suns do.

Definitely Charlotte would find value in Monroe's contract. It would almost be like adding another first round pick in a trade.

 

[elindholm]

My first post on here was recommending us signing Batum. Elindholm, I think it was, accused me of being Batum's agent and trying to drive up his price hahaha!

True, that was me. I thought it was a weird way to introduce yourself to the board. My first impressions are usually right, but I was wrong in this case. Thanks for being patient with me.

 

[Mainstreet]

Here is one of the huge negatives about acquiring Walker as I have made mention... him becoming a free agent in 2018-19.

In addition, there’s the question of what the Hornets would want in exchange for Walker. One report suggested Marquese Chriss or Dragan Bender and a No. 1 pick. That’s a high price to pay, particularly given the fact Walker will be a free agent after the 2018-19 season and would need to be re-signed to a hefty deal.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/spo...-suns-denver-nuggets-kemba-walker/1048388001/