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Sure but that's one of the years that always gets mentioned. The year I pointed to gets lost in the conversation. And I'm not so sure we couldn't have taken that Chicago team, they were not the same dominant team they had been although they were still a 60+ win team.

We split the season series that year with the Bulls but both games came early and we didn't hit our stride till after the All Star break. We closed out the season on a 10 game winning streak and played something like .650 ball the second half of the season.

Whether we'd have won or not, I'd sure love to have that roster in it's prime in today's game. We were loaded with 3 point shooters and forwards that could guard up and down.

Lack of experience alone probably would have doomed us against Chicago, if not the Jazz before then. It was a very talented roster, but the over-whelming majority of them had never even dipped their toe into the playoffs, much less the deep end and that would have mattered when push came to shove against the old lions of the day, IMO.

The bigger missed opportunity was the one that never came because of the lock-out the following summer. JC had the master plan set up to add Pippen to that team and I think that team could have been 2004/2005 Pistons-esque and won at least a title or two. But the lock-out screwed everything up, we didn't have the cap space we were planning on when the new CBA took hold and then the FA signing period went into full on chaos where we were left with an BOOGO-LAY UGLAY GOOGS/LONGLEY combo.

Blegh!
 

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In the Nash years, we weren't contenders like the Barkley years. We were Western Conference favorites with Barkley. We were a great story with Nash. A team of young players finding their place and playing an exciting style. Since we always came up short against the Spurs it wasn't like the Barkley years when only Jordan in his absolute prime could stop us, or Barkley's brittle back.

Man, I can't wait to see Jackson and Booker in the playoffs. I hope that they're able to provide better playoff memories than the J-Kidd teams. Booker in the postseason should be fun. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Suns be like the Pelicans this year and play spoiler when they do get there. I know this next season is unlikely but maybe if the West falls apart some, they might be able to sneak in. We'd probably need Portland to blow things up and maybe Davis get sent to the Eastern Conference if he gets mad the Pelicans won't resign Cousins. That would create 2 more playoff spots, with the possibility of Towns getting traded also that could create a 3rd opening. The Nuggets are probably ahead of us in their rebuild but we'd be battling with the Lakers and Clippers to steal one of those final spots.
 

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If I could play like Steph Curry I would need a new home. As my head would be too big to fit through any doors in my house now.

Not to put words in your mouth, but are you saying he's got a big head?
 

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Thanks for the walk down tortured memory lane. I couldn't stand the Houston back court. Dream was okay but Kenny and Jet plus space chipmunk and horrible orry. KJ played great. Charles and Dan not so much. Blah!
 

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In the Nash years, we weren't contenders like the Barkley years. We were Western Conference favorites with Barkley.

No we weren't. We struggled the next season with injuries and a bit of a hangover, coming into the playoffs as the 3RD SEED. The 63 win Sonics were the highest seed and the favorite in the West in 1994. Going into the playoffs, they had HCA and had taken us to 7 the year earlier when we were a better team. Most people had us even odds with Houston, who had a better record than we did too. 1994 was our great missed opportunity mostly because Seattle had that epic choke job against Denver, becoming the first 1 seed to ever lose to an 8, after having a dominating 2-0 lead in a 5 game series no less! It was after Dikembe literally blocked them out of the playoffs that KJ and Barkley went running around the Houston stadium celebrating because they believed their toughest opponent was gonzo.

And we were the 3rd seed the next year too when it was anyone's guess who would come out of the West with the Spurs winning 62 games and the Jazz winning 60 to our 59.

We were a great story with Nash. A team of young players finding their place and playing an exciting style. Since we always came up short against the Spurs it wasn't like the Barkley years when only Jordan in his absolute prime could stop us, or Barkley's brittle back.

That Nash team got screwed by three things... $arver pinching pennies, Amare's micro fracture and Cheap Shot Bob Horry. They definitely weren't favorites in 2004-5, but they were the most fun thing the NBA had seen in forever and had an exciting playoff run. They were loaded for bear the next year with people predicting them to be a true blue contender with the addition of Raja/KT but Amare blew out his knee.

And then in 2006-7, it was a 3 horse race between us, the Spurs and the Mavs as a trio-of-title-contenders with the de facto NBA Finals happening in round 2 between us and the Spurs because the Mavs went the way of the 1994 Sonics, losing in the first round to GS.

Granted, those teams never quite had the same... magic the Barkley teams seemed to harness, but when I really think about it, I think that's because they're the only ones who actually got most of us to the Finals and thus we had more belief that they were favorites because they had been there before. But reality is after they got to the Finals, the next two Barkley teams never even got out of the second round and the last one got it's ass kicked in the first.

Man, I can't wait to see Jackson and Booker in the playoffs. I hope that they're able to provide better playoff memories than the J-Kidd teams. Booker in the postseason should be fun. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Suns be like the Pelicans this year and play spoiler when they do get there. I know this next season is unlikely but maybe if the West falls apart some, they might be able to sneak in. We'd probably need Portland to blow things up and maybe Davis get sent to the Eastern Conference if he gets mad the Pelicans won't resign Cousins. That would create 2 more playoff spots, with the possibility of Towns getting traded also that could create a 3rd opening. The Nuggets are probably ahead of us in their rebuild but we'd be battling with the Lakers and Clippers to steal one of those final spots.

I'll be stunned if they get there this year and probably drop dead of shock if they do get there and spoil someone's party. They're just too young.

But if they draft Ayton and he ends up being the real deal, next year watch out. That's when this team might just start doing some damage.
 

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Thanks for the walk down tortured memory lane. I couldn't stand the Houston back court. Dream was okay but Kenny and Jet plus space chipmunk and horrible orry. KJ played great. Charles and Dan not so much. Blah!

I loved Thunder Dan, but he cemented himself as Blunder Dan after his disastrous performance in those Houston series.
 

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Lack of experience alone probably would have doomed us against Chicago, if not the Jazz before then. It was a very talented roster, but the over-whelming majority of them had never even dipped their toe into the playoffs, much less the deep end and that would have mattered when push came to shove against the old lions of the day, IMO.

The bigger missed opportunity was the one that never came because of the lock-out the following summer. JC had the master plan set up to add Pippen to that team and I think that team could have been 2004/2005 Pistons-esque and won at least a title or two. But the lock-out screwed everything up, we didn't have the cap space we were planning on when the new CBA took hold and then the FA signing period went into full on chaos where we were left with an BOOGO-LAY UGLAY GOOGS/LONGLEY combo.

Blegh!

Pippen had some good years in Portland but that Rockets superteam was a disaster. Pippen and Barkley hated each other. Would have rather kept McDyess.

**** Dan Issel
 

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Pippen had some good years in Portland but that Rockets superteam was a disaster. Pippen and Barkley hated each other. Would have rather kept McDyess.

**** Dan Issel and John Lucas

FTFY.
 

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Pippen had some good years in Portland but that Rockets superteam was a disaster. Pippen and Barkley hated each other. Would have rather kept McDyess.

**** Dan Issel

we were supposed to get BOTH Dice and Pippen! That team would have been a defensive dynamo.
 

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Didn't realize until now that D'Antoni was the head coach of the Nuggets team that stole McDyess back from the Suns. He was an executive with them the year before but became the head coach in the 98-99 season before Issel took over coaching them after that.
 

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Thanks for the walk down tortured memory lane. I couldn't stand the Houston back court. Dream was okay but Kenny and Jet plus space chipmunk and horrible orry. KJ played great. Charles and Dan not so much. Blah!

LOL. I know right?
 

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The mention of Antonio McDyess brings back lots of bad memories.
 

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The refs are making it so obvious they want the Warriors to win.


Agreed like when Love stuck his knee out and hit Curry in the goods and they didnt' call it. Or when they fouled Curry shooting a 3, he threw the ball up left handed, got no call and then the Cavs complained it should have been their ball. Or the one where West blocked Love's shot, Love gets it back and hits West in the face with an elbow no call he misses, and Lue is up off the bench screaming that Love got fouled.

I had to watch on my phone last night so I'm rewatching on DVR right now, tons of bad calls, both ways. The obvious one was the no call that resulted in the T where LeBron was clearly fouled, but that only cost them 1 point it was a non shooting play. The one against Curry cost the Warriors 3 points.

I will never understand, as the announcers said, how 3 refs miss calls that obvious when the guy getting fouled has teh ball. if you're not watching the ball, at least 1 of the 3 refs what the hell are you watching?
 

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The NBA needs a special fine for Tristan Thompson just for audacity. There's a play last night where leBron throws a no look from about 25 feet away that hits Thompson right in the hands, it's going to be a dunk. he doesn't catch it and it bounces off his hands out of bounds. And with a straight face he turns to the refs and says the ball went off the Warriors, when neither Warrior player was within 3 feet when the ball bounced off him out of bounds.

Bad enough he didn't catch the pass but then to try and claim it wasn't off him was hilarious
 

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Maybe you guys aren't old enough to remember but, IMHO, we had far better chances to win titles in 79 and 95. in 79, we were up 3-2 and the Sonics with a chance to close them out at home. Lose the series in 7, an injury-decimated Bullets team had almost zero chance of beating either team.

And, just as painful, in 95 was the loss in seven games to the Rockets. The Rockets romped to an easy sweep over one of the worst teams I've ever seen in the Finals, Orlando.

So, we should have had at LEAST two trophies long before Nash returned to the Suns.

That is why I always felt that '79 was the Suns best opportunity to take it all. I've posted before that, when our Center Alvan Adams went out with injury, all we had to do was use size vs. their Center Jack Sikma. Instead MacLeod inserted backup Small Forward 6'7" 215 lb. Joel Kramer at starting Center against the 6'11" Sikma and we lost.

You are right about the Bullets. Every sportswriter at the time said that whichever team emerged from the West would be heavily favored to beat the Bullets for the Championship.
 

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That is why I always felt that '79 was the Suns best opportunity to take it all. I've posted before that, when our Center Alvan Adams went out with injury, all we had to do was use size vs. their Center Jack Sikma. Instead MacLeod inserted backup Small Forward 6'7" 215 lb. Joel Kramer at starting Center against the 6'11" Sikma and we lost.

You are right about the Bullets. Every sportswriter at the time said that whichever team emerged from the West would be heavily favored to beat the Bullets for the Championship.

Oh, I well remember the details of that. I was crushed.
 

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Game 3 should be interesting. The Cavs are apparently upset with the Warriors for celebrating too much and for shooting 3's late in the game when the outcome was decided and the Cavs had pulled their starters.

And the warriors are complaining that Kendrick Perkins "made no effort" to move his feet when Curry fell into the bench after shooting a 3 at the end of the 3rd quarter. Warriors players felt Perkins, who's not even suited up, intentionally stuck his foot out and then didn't move trying to trip curry as he fell back. Curry and Perkins exchanged words and according to some Warriors players Perkins essentially made it clear with his comments to Curry he was doing it on purpose because he thought Curry was showing up the Cavs.

I would say don't wake the sleeping bear but LeBron has been wide awake for 2 games, I'm not sure even he can play any better than he already has.
 

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Game 3 should be interesting. The Cavs are apparently upset with the Warriors for celebrating too much and for shooting 3's late in the game when the outcome was decided and the Cavs had pulled their starters.

And the warriors are complaining that Kendrick Perkins "made no effort" to move his feet when Curry fell into the bench after shooting a 3 at the end of the 3rd quarter. Warriors players felt Perkins, who's not even suited up, intentionally stuck his foot out and then didn't move trying to trip curry as he fell back. Curry and Perkins exchanged words and according to some Warriors players Perkins essentially made it clear with his comments to Curry he was doing it on purpose because he thought Curry was showing up the Cavs.

I would say don't wake the sleeping bear but LeBron has been wide awake for 2 games, I'm not sure even he can play any better than he already has.
The Cavs are manufacturing outrage in an attempt to artificially light a spark. Bunch of whiners.
 

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The Cavs are manufacturing outrage in an attempt to artificially light a spark. Bunch of whiners.

I think Perkins is just a can't teach an old guy a new trick. He was a dirty player when he actually played, and he's apparently a dirty player when he's not playing but behind the bench(he was in the row behind the players in a suit).

I do think the Cavs could make a legit point about all the celebrating that Curry does, but then I guess I don't see a huge difference between the Curry Shimmy, and the LeBron pounding the chest after he makes a great play.

I think basically they've played each other 4 years in a row and tempers are going to flare
 

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Curry should ease up on his celebrations. I sure can understand that pisses people off. He comes across as a bit of a douche.
 

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Curry should ease up on his celebrations. I sure can understand that pisses people off. He comes across as a bit of a douche.


Yeah I can see why it would bug players and it's been apparent since the first year that LeBron doesn't particularly like Curry and we've had several instances where he blocks Curry's shot and then stares him down or talks trash to him which I assume is because of Curry doing the celebration stuff.

I just wish he'd stop falling down on his shot he missed at least 2 open looks in game 2 where he fell down trying to draw a foul. He actually got one on a 4 point play where he stuck his foot out and love brushed it, but more often than not they're not giving him that call anymore and he's missing shots he used to make because he's falling down on them.
 

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