2021 1st round pick is Zaven Collins

[BritCard]

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[Krangodnzr]

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I don't know how people doubt this kid. He's going to be a good one and the impact of having two plus ILBs is going to be huge.

 

[kerouac9]

I don't know how people doubt this kid. He's going to be a good one and the impact of having two plus ILBs is going to be huge.

To be fair, you said the same thing about Kevin Minter.

 

[Cheesebeef]

To be fair, you said the same thing about Kevin Minter.

oof.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

To be fair, you said the same thing about Kevin Minter.

Kevin Minter's main issues were size and athleticism. Two things that Collins has no issues with. Minter was actually decent for a guy with his physical profile.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Kevin Minter's main issues were size and athleticism. Two things that Collins has no issues with. Minter was actually decent for a guy with his physical profile.

what? This is just not the case. Minter was a below average starter at best. There was nothing decent about his play regardless of size.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

what? This is just not the case. Minter was a below average starter at best. There was nothing decent about his play regardless of size.

Decent, below average starter. Pretty close to the same thing in my book. Certainly didn't live up to his draft stock, but it's not like he was a bad or terrible player.

 

[DVontel]

Decent, below average starter. Pretty close to the same thing in my book. Certainly didn't live up to his draft stock, but it's not like he was a bad or terrible player.

Kevin Minter was a bad player.

 

[QuebecCard]

Kevin Minter was a bad player.

Kevin Minter is still in the League and has a Super Bowl ring to prove it.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Kevin Minter was a bad player.

I think you are just hung up on him not living up to the expectations. He was a decent player for us when he was on the field and he has managed to still be in the league. Not likely for a bad ILB.

 

[BritCard]

Kevin Minter is still in the League and has a Super Bowl ring to prove it.

Lots of bad players have SB rings.

DJ Foster has one.

Michael Floyd has one.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Decent, below average starter. Pretty close to the same thing in my book. Certainly didn't live up to his draft stock, but it's not like he was a bad or terrible player.

yeah he was. below average = bad. how below average can ever = decent is beyond strange.

 

[SoonerLou]

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The stat that got him drafted by Keim.

 

[BritCard]

The stat that got him drafted by Keim.

I think there was a lot of other factors but this played a role. Collins has a lot to his game but being able to cover like he does at his size is rare.

 

[QuebecCard]

Lots of bad players have SB rings.

DJ Foster has one.

Michael Floyd has one.

Pass it on to TBay.

And Floyd's issues were not talent related.

 

[kerouac9]

The stat that got him drafted by Keim.

48 is such a weird number. Did he really only drop into coverage 48 times last season?

 

[BritCard]

48 is such a weird number. Did he really only drop into coverage 48 times last season?

That's not what it says buddy

 

[imaCafan]

I’m expecting big things from Collins. Of course the last time I said that and got it right was about Boldin.

 

[kerouac9]

That's not what it says buddy

that’s not an answer. Why was 49 the qualifying number? How many coverage snaps did he have?

 

[BritCard]

that’s not an answer. Why was 49 the qualifying number? How many coverage snaps did he have?

I'm guessing 49 is the qualifying number because there was some random guy that only play 48 coverage snaps that graded higher.

I can't see how many he played as as he started for 3 season I'm guessing it's in the 100's.

 

[kerouac9]

I'm guessing 49 is the qualifying number because there was some random guy that only play 48 coverage snaps that graded higher.

I can't see how many he played as as he started for 3 season I'm guessing it's in the 100's.

Well, the stat cited was only for one season, but you disputed something you had no information on aside from your assumption.

 

[Krangodnzr]

To be fair, you said the same thing about Kevin Minter.

To be fair you hated DWash.

 

[kerouac9]

To be fair you hated DWash.

Yup. And he had 2 good seasons and completely washed out of the league. The debates over whether Daryl Washington was the defensive leader we needed seem pretty silly right now.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Yup. And he had 2 good seasons and completely washed out of the league. The debates over whether Daryl Washington was the defensive leader we needed seem pretty silly right now.

Not due to his football ability though. When he was actually eligible to be on the field he was a good player.

 

[kerouac9]

Not due to his football ability though. When he was actually eligible to be on the field he was a good player.

You really have to be human garbage to be that good and not have anyone even take a chance on you. As many here said, Kevin Minter has hung around the bottom rungs of NFL rosters for the past 4 seasons.

Washington was a one-dimensional rush inside linebacker, which isn't even really a position. Even in his exceptional 2012 season he was one of the worst coverage linebackers in the NFL.