Zeem_Freeze
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He's not mic'd up on accident. Organization trying to introduce us to the stud they've seen all training camp and the film from PG1 matches.
Really you thought it was miserable? I thought we had a good mix of supporters and skeptics.we need a type of poll that is just a "truth" button and you hit it when you think a new player is the truth.
I would've hit the truth button on K1 right after 1st game rookie season vs Lions. That 2nd half comeback convinced me he had the talent and mental fortitude to be our QB for 15 years. This forum was MISERABLE to read waiting for everyone to get on board with K1 until like 5 or 6 games into the season they just couldnt deny it anymore.
I'm close to hitting it on Marco. Let me see game 1 of regular season though.
I am cautiously hoovering my finger to tap that Marco Wilson button... but I am slamming my fist on the Rondale Moore button with gustowe need a type of poll that is just a "truth" button and you hit it when you think a new player is the truth.
I would've hit the truth button on K1 right after 1st game rookie season vs Lions. That 2nd half comeback convinced me he had the talent and mental fortitude to be our QB for 15 years. This forum was MISERABLE to read waiting for everyone to get on board with K1 until like 5 or 6 games into the season they just couldnt deny it anymore.
I'm close to hitting it on Marco. Let me see game 1 of regular season though.
The bitterness and negativity was way louder then the supporters and he didn’t even play his first game. I will never forget it. And it was quite frankly way worst then Rosen’s first whole year under Wilkes.Really you thought it was miserable? I thought we had a good mix of supporters and skeptics.
Wayyyy worse. I was one of the handful of original Murray supporters. I think the main reason people doubted Murray so much was that Keim catches more grief than anyone on this board since The Snail and his first round track record wasn’t overly inspiring at the time.The bitterness and negativity was way louder then the supporters and he didn’t even play his first game. I will never forget it. And it was quite frankly way worst then Rosen’s first whole year under Wilkes.
It was hard to feel positive when a good chunk of the board couldn't even spell the former head coach's name right.The bitterness and negativity was way louder then the supporters and he didn’t even play his first game. I will never forget it. And it was quite frankly way worst then Rosen’s first whole year under Wilkes.
His track record in all drafting is the worst in the league. He deserves the grief. "The Snail" had the best Arizona Cardinals draft class we've ever had.Wayyyy worse. I was one of the handful of original Murray supporters. I think the main reason people doubted Murray so much was that Keim catches more grief than anyone on this board since The Snail and his first round track record wasn’t overly inspiring at the time.
His track record in all drafting is the worst in the league. He deserves the grief. "The Snail" had the best Arizona Cardinals draft class we've ever had.
Hoover ? Wasn't he that guy in Animal House?I am cautiously hoovering my finger to tap that Marco Wilson button... but I am slamming my fist on the Rondale Moore button with gusto
“Handful?” You guys are mischaracterizing history. I was excited, I know cheese was cautiously so, even krang (who started out anti-kyler) turned into a huge proponent. And there were a bunch of koolaiders who never think anything’s wrong. That’s just off the top of my head. I viewed the sides as being evenly split with a pro-kyler lean.Wayyyy worse. I was one of the handful of original Murray supporters. I think the main reason people doubted Murray so much was that Keim catches more grief than anyone on this board since The Snail and his first round track record wasn’t overly inspiring at the time.
I love that for some keim gets the credit when he wasn’t the head guy but excuses are made (Mikey picked that coach, kk picked that guy) when he is the head guy.And who was the head of scouting, pray tell?
I think there were about 4-5 really LOUD anti-Murray guys, 4-5 LOUD pro-Murray guys, but the majority of the board was in wait and see mode.“Handful?” You guys are mischaracterizing history. I was excited, I know cheese was cautiously so, even krang (who started out anti-kyler) turned into a huge proponent. And there were a bunch of koolaiders who never think anything’s wrong. That’s just off the top of my head. I viewed the sides as being evenly split with a pro-kyler lean.
Buck stops with Keim.I love that for some keim gets the credit when he wasn’t the head guy but excuses are made (Mikey picked that coach, kk picked that guy) when he is the head guy.
I love that for some keim gets the credit when he wasn’t the head guy but excuses are made (Mikey picked that coach, kk picked that guy) when he is the head guy.
Absolutely.He's not mic'd up on accident. Organization trying to introduce us to the stud they've seen all training camp and the film from PG1 matches.
Except we really don’t know about either. What we do know was when he wasn’t GM he was just part of the equation. When he is GM he is supposed to be in charge of the equation. So which should be more heavily weighted?Credit where due... opprobrium as required.
This is it in a nutshellBuck stops with Keim.
I mean, we speculate on whether Wilks was a Bidwill hire or a Keim hire, but Keim has enough of a track record that his own accomplishments stand on their own.This is it in a nutshell
AgreeThat's why I think if the team falters this year, the Cardinals absolutely SHOULD clean house. Playoffs or bust. Even then the writing is on the wall already that Keim is not the one to create a true winning pedigree for the Arizona Cardinals.
Lol. I’d venture to say you may have the least credibility on this entire board to attack anyone’s draft record. Want to tell us some more about how terrible Kyler Murray will be and why we need to hold on to Rosen?His track record in all drafting is the worst in the league. He deserves the grief. "The Snail" had the best Arizona Cardinals draft class we've ever had.
Hmm interesting take. What other draftees was he way off on? Or are you basing your opinion on a single draft pick?Lol. I’d venture to say you may have the least credibility on this entire board to attack anyone’s draft record. Want to tell us some more about how terrible Kyler Murray will be and why we need to hold on to Rosen?
Hmm interesting take. What other draftees was he way off on? Or are you basing your opinion on a single draft pick?
What a ridiculous, attacking take.Lol. I’d venture to say you may have the least credibility on this entire board to attack anyone’s draft record. Want to tell us some more about how terrible Kyler Murray will be and why we need to hold on to Rosen?
There was no “unrelenting positivity” it was mostly wait and see and really loud anti-Murray sentiment based on dubious and completely irrelevant news articles questioning his leadership skills before he played a single snap. Way worst then Rosen who most were excited about and glad he fell to us, myself included. Even after his putrid year this board was way more positive for Rosen then they were of Kyler before he played a single snap, that was the point.It was hard to feel positive when a good chunk of the board couldn't even spell the former head coach's name right.
It was Wilks.
The unrelenting positivity here, especially during that bland season, was wildly offputting.
At least for me, that's because we made this overwhelming risk with the franchise. My biggest problem with Keim is that he always wants to be the smartest guy in the room. We hired a guy who couldn't buy a winning season, got fired, and paired him with a short kid he'd been obsessed with for years.There was no “unrelenting positivity” it was mostly wait and see and really loud anti-Murray sentiment based on dubious and completely irrelevant news articles questioning his leadership skills before he played a single snap. Way worst then Rosen who most were excited about and glad he fell to us, myself included. Even after his putrid year this board was way more positive for Rosen then they were of Kyler before he played a single snap, that was the point.