2024 Draft Countdown/NFL Prospects thread

[Krangodnzr]

If this were true we would never see professional football people (a) draft interior olinemen high; or (b) give them substantial contracts. And yet we see both all the time. I’m just not a believer that couch gms know that much more - particularly with such a simple concept - than so many professionals.

We see lots of teams regret doing it.

 

[Krangodnzr]

It's your classic double standard, Krang. You are allowed to be condescending and pretend to be a "higher thinker" and insult other posters but they cannot dare say anything about it, point it out, or give you grief for it.

Where did I insult him?

I get it. You have strong opinions and think you're right about them--but that doesn't mean you are or that you have any sort of superior intellect or knowledge about football. You're just a regular poster on a message board, dude.

As do you. And Ouchie. I'm taking the high road and just pointing out that he was trying to be insulting instead of actually trying to to argue.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

We see lots of teams regret doing it.

Cmon man you have zero evidence of that.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Where did I insult him?

As do you. And Ouchie. I'm taking the high road and just pointing out that he was trying to be insulting instead of actually trying to to argue.

Meh, you and I have gone back and forth for years and usually find that we aren’t that far apart, we just both enjoy debating. This I treat you like I treat one of my crew. If it bothers you I can be more formal. You’ll note I never complain about others in this manner bc I’m fine with the tit-for-tat that’s inherent in arguing sports.

 

[football karma]

the Cards dont have anyone like this in terms of RAC and taking a short throw and turning it into a long gain

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[kerouac9]

the Cards dont have anyone like this in terms of RAC and taking a short throw and turning it into a long gain

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Isn’t this Rondale Moore’s role?

We need a perimeter receiver so bad.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Meh, you and I have gone back and forth for years and usually find that we aren’t that far apart, we just both enjoy debating. This I treat you like I treat one of my crew. If it bothers you I can be more formal. You’ll note I never complain about others in this manner bc I’m fine with the tit-for-tat that’s inherent in arguing sports.

Touché.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Isn’t this Rondale Moore’s role?

We need a perimeter receiver so bad.

That's why I'd rather have Odunze than Nabers.

 

[kerouac9]

That's why I'd rather have Odunze than Nabers.

I’m withholding judgment because I don’t really know anything. This just isn’t that convincing to me because college guys make these plays all the time.

I’ve asked @DVontel what game of Nabers I should watch to fall in love with him. I watched every snap of the Alabama game and he looked good not great.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I’m withholding judgment because I don’t really know anything. This just isn’t that convincing to me because college guys make these plays all the time.

I’ve asked @DVontel what game of Nabers I should watch to fall in love with him. I watched every snap of the Alabama game and he looked good not great.

For me, it's Odunze's clear strength of winning jump balls, but he game wasn't just jump balls. Nabers wasn't even in the same hemisphere on contested catches, and neither was Harrison Jr.

Even if you subtract the jump balls from Odunze's game, he still posted very respectable numbers.

The biggest detractor star on Odunze is the yards per route run. It wasn't exceedingly high because UW has two other draftable receivers, but I'd argue that he still was the primary guy and the way he beat defenders is why I'm interested.

Murray was at his best when he had Hopkins that he could just throw an occasional 50/50 ball to. Murray needs that security again.

 

[DVontel]

I’ve asked @DVontel what game of Nabers I should watch to fall in love with him. I watched every snap of the Alabama game and he looked good not great.

His explosion whether with or without the ball in his hands that even Marvin doesn’t posses. His separation in both the intermediate & deep levels are also elite. He can break a game open like Ja’Marr does.

The fact you say he looked good against two first round CBs says quite a bit.

 

[DVontel]

occasional 50/50 ball to. Murray needs that security again.

Isn’t that what McBride & Wilson are for?

 

[DVontel]

I like Rome a lot, I really do, but we already have McBride & Wilson. We’re probably going to use a 3rd round pick on another WR, too. I don’t want all of our weapons to just be contested catching magnets. Having both Rome & Wilson would be a little bit of repetitive considering neither are YAC-threats.

Nabers is that guy that could take an 8 yard catch from our 35 yard line for a TD. Rome isn’t that type of guy.

 

[DVontel]

Funny thing about Odunze is that he was a track star, but he doesn’t look THAT fast on tape. Especially compared to Nabers.

 

[kerouac9]

Isn’t that what McBride & Wilson are for?

Wilson? Seriously?

As far as I can tell we have zero reliable perimeter receivers and need two. Nabers played mainly from the slot in the games I watched from LSU last year, which is a different ball of wax.

Doesn’t mean he can’t do it; just means I haven’t seen it.

 

[DVontel]

Wilson? Seriously?

Yes, seriously. Very seriously.

As far as I can tell we have zero reliable perimeter receivers and need two

Nabers could be one of them.

Nabers played mainly from the slot in the games I watched from LSU last year, which is a different ball of wax.

Doesn’t mean he can’t do it; just means I haven’t seen it.

Replace Nabers with Justin Jefferson here & the same thing was said verbatim about Jefferson. Even the very last two sentences.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Isn’t that what McBride & Wilson are for?

I don't think you consider Wilson at all at this point. McBride is a YAC guy for a TE, he doesn't exactly catch the ball and go down.

Murray isn't exactly a great rhythm passer who throws people open, so a lot of Nabers talents might be wasted.

 

[DVontel]

I don't think you consider Wilson at all at this point.

This is not it. What I said might be a bit premature, but to consider him nothing at all is wild.

Murray isn't exactly a great rhythm passer who throws people open, so a lot of Nabers talents might be wasted.

Murray also isn’t Zach Wilson either where he needs gigantic frames to bail him out. If Murray can produce with Greg Dortch, he can absolutely produce with a super-super charged up version of him in Nabers.

 

[QuebecCard]

Funny thing about Odunze is that he was a track star, but he doesn’t look THAT fast on tape. Especially compared to Nabers.

Smooth striders rarely LOOK fast.

 

[football karma]

Isn’t this Rondale Moore’s role?

We need a perimeter receiver so bad.

theoretically, but dont you have to do it to have the role?

 

[Mulli]

Isn’t this Rondale Moore’s role?

We need a perimeter receiver so bad.

Is this a sick joke?!

 

[football karma]

Murray isn't exactly a great rhythm passer who throws people open, so a lot of Nabers talents might be wasted.

both the highlights were clips of Nabers basically taking a hitch or a swing pass and then running away from people ( college players, but still)

 

[Ronin]

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[BurqueCardFan]

I like Rome a lot, I really do, but we already have McBride & Wilson. We’re probably going to use a 3rd round pick on another WR, too. I don’t want all of our weapons to just be contested catching magnets. Having both Rome & Wilson would be a little bit of repetitive considering neither are YAC-threats.

Nabers is that guy that could take an 8 yard catch from our 35 yard line for a TD. Rome isn’t that type of guy.

Wilson is still a project, at best. I hope we are not comparing a 1st round WR, especially a top 5-10 guy with a 3rd rounder flyer. If so, then we should not go anywhere near that guy. However, I think Harrison, Odunze and Nabers are infinitely better than Wilson.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Isn’t that what McBride & Wilson are for?

McBrides job is to find soft spots in zones and sit down, make a catch and turn upfield...or catch in stride and go...just like Kelce and Kittle. None of those guys are 50/50 jump ball receivers. Jury is out on Wilson being a jump ball receiver, too. He might be, but we don't have a ton of evidence that he can do it on a consistent basis.