2024 Draft Countdown/NFL Prospects thread

[kerouac9]

I think every team left on the schedule not named the 9ers & Eagles are all winnable. Does that mean we’ll beat them? Nah.

I think we can at least get 3 more wins.

So you think we can will win three of our remaining five winnable games, and that five wins will put us outside the top 5 picks in the draft?

I dunno. We lost to the Giants with everyone healthy.

EDIT: DVOA has us with an 8.5% chance for the #1 pick and 73.4% chance for a Top 5 pick. Ahead of NE but behind CHI (via CAR) and NYG.

According to the same analysis, Houston has better-than-even odds to make the postseason.

Cards are currently 30th in DVOA -- 27th in offense and 31st in defense.

 

[DVontel]

So you think we can will win three of our remaining five winnable games, and that five wins will put us outside the top 5 picks in the draft?

Yea.

I dunno. We lost to the Giants with everyone healthy.

True. We also beat the Cowboys with everyone healthy.

 

[Cardiac]

So you think we can will win three of our remaining five winnable games, and that five wins will put us outside the top 5 picks in the draft?

I dunno. We lost to the Giants with everyone healthy.

Except KM. I think he makes a big difference.

 

[kerouac9]

Except KM. I think he makes a big difference.

Against the Giants? Probably. A team we lost to and hasn't won since and been embarrassing in basically every other game.

Against Seattle fighting for playoff positioning in a stadium that will be about 2/3 full of blue jerseys? I have my doubts. Again, we barely beat an Atlanta team that is objectively bad and playing with their backup quarterback.

At home. We are still extremely bad.

 

[football karma]

I think is is good if you are trying to project where the Cardinals will fall. I am just trying to get a good feel for the top 30 or so players in the draft class and how they fit with AZ.

it feels like there is a Tier 1 that is four players (i include the QBs by default): Williams, Maye, MHJ, Fashanu

then the next group: Alt, Latu, Bowers, Nabers... Newton? Maybe Alt goes in Tier 1.

and then after that -- it seems like 10-25 are all the same level

 

[Chopper0080]

I think you don't strategically say, "This is a great TE class, so we have take one!" That would have been a very dubious approach for Monti this off season after taking McBride last year.

Trying to project future draft classes is a fools errand. And also believing the hype of a draft class can get you into trouble. What happens when MHJ is an injury prone wreck, Odunze is a bust, and Franklin ends up as the best player and he was drafted mid round two? I think when you have depth like this, you can wait.

Ojulari currently leads all rookie pass rushers in sacks because when you have depth, you can wait.

I think you can absolutely head into a draft with the idea of we want to grab one of these guys somewhere in the draft. It doesn't always work out but that can still be the plan. I have stated the Cardinals would have been very smart to draft a TE last year even after drafting one in 2022 if their plan was to use two TE sets.

 

[football karma]

im now thinking the Cards at 8-10 overall

so i did the math

the last few years -- you need to have 7 wins to be 8-10 draft wise (and a lower SOS). That implies the Cards go 5-2 over their last 7. Thrilled if it happens, but feels unlikely.

6 wins slots teams in the 6-7 range in the draft. That implies 4-3. Hmm

5 wins puts you in the 4-6 range. 3-4. doable.

the math sure makes it seem like a top 7 pick is nearly assured.

 

[kerouac9]

I think you can absolutely head into a draft with the idea of we want to grab one of these guys somewhere in the draft. It doesn't always work out but that can still be the plan. I have stated the Cardinals would have been very smart to draft a TE last year even after drafting one in 2022 if their plan was to use two TE sets.

The Pats drafted Gronk and Hernandez in the same draft.

 

[BirdGangThing]

Should be an interesting game for McBride against the Texans - guarantee they'll be game planning for him - but that doesn't stop the good tight ends

 

[daves]

Joey Galloway. Roy Williams.

The only I can think of who’s produced on multiple teams lately is Amari Cooper. Doesn’t matter what team or who’s at QB. Dude gets open and makes plays.

Agree with the premise but... Have to add Diggs to the (small) group of FA WRs who have been worth the money to their second team! [EDIT: As @kerouac9 pointed out, Diggs was acquired via trade.)

T.O. with the Cowboys, despite his off-field antics. (OT: CTE?) And Golden Tate was pretty good with Detroit.

 

[Russ Smith]

AJ Green

yep similar to young AJ Green.

 

[Russ Smith]

I guess our view of Green might be skewed by what we saw here. But, for his first seven years? AJ Green was a superstar WR and totally worth the #4 pick. He averaged over 1,200 yards, 8 TDs per season those first seven years. And, he missed 6 games in year six. He also made some freakishly great catches.

I would pick a guy like that top 5.

Yep there was some moron on this board that for years was saying they wished we had him. THen we finally got the ghost of him.

Who was that moron?

 

[Krangodnzr]

Joey Galloway. Roy Williams.

The only I can think of who’s produced on multiple teams lately is Amari Cooper. Doesn’t matter what team or who’s at QB. Dude gets open and makes plays.

Even Davante Adams hasn't really been worth it.

IMO the best trades are for young talent still on a rookie contract. 2nd tier is 27-28 year olds who are about to get second contract. Anyone older than that better be a QB or other position that can still be good into their mid 30s or it's likely to not be worth it. This also goes for free agency as well to a degree.

Look at the disaster the Von Miller signing has been.

 

[Krangodnzr]

yep similar to young AJ Green.

I think he's similar but better than Green was coming out.

 

[Russ Smith]

I think he's similar but better than Green was coming out.

Hard to say I was a huge AJ Green fan, young Green was amazing.

But yeah I do think MHJ has a chance to be special.

 

[kerouac9]

Agree with the premise but... Have to add Diggs to the (small) group of FA WRs who have been worth the money to their second team! T.O. with the Cowboys, despite his off-field antics. (OT: CTE?) And Golden Tate was pretty good with Detroit.

Diggs was a trade.

Golden Tate was an okay player in a pretty mid passing offense in Seattle and turned into a good player for Detroit because he was a classic red a$$.

It’s secondary targets in good passing offenses you have to be especially wary of.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

What I wouldn't give for a Pickens/Scott type of WR duo. One of my favorite pair to watch back in the day.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

What I wouldn't give for a Pickens/Scott type of WR duo. One of my favorite pair to watch back in the day.

Smith and McArdell were r fun as well.

 

[oaken1]

Even Davante Adams hasn't really been worth it.

IMO the best trades are for young talent still on a rookie contract. 2nd tier is 27-28 year olds who are about to get second contract. Anyone older than that better be a QB or other position that can still be good into their mid 30s or it's likely to not be worth it. This also goes for free agency as well to a degree.

Look at the disaster the Von Miller signing has been.

Quarterbacks and 300 pounders are generally the guys who play to 35 or 36...the lighter skill positions rely more on speed and agility that just deteriorates to quickly after 30.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Diggs was a trade.

Golden Tate was an okay player in a pretty mid passing offense in Seattle and turned into a good player for Detroit because he was a classic red a$$.

It’s secondary targets in good passing offenses you have to be especially wary of.

Guys like Higgins have been historically bad. Maybe he really only works in the Bengals offense and would suck hard here.

 

[BritCard]

Tee Higgins is a good outside NFL WR. He's never made a pro bowl, never made an all pro team.

That's a pretty capacious definition of "stud." Paying these guys big money to move teams is a classic free agency mistake.

He has 3356 yards and 21 TDs in 3.5 seasons. I think that says enough.

And on an offense with Ja'Mar Chase and Tyler Boyd.

 

[ajcardfan]

He has 3356 yards and 21 TDs in 3.5 seasons. I think that says enough.

And on an offense with Ja'Mar Chase and Tyler Boyd.

But we already have someone named Higgins.

 

[BritCard]

But we already have someone named Higgins.

I'm not advocating for signing him. Just saying he's a good player.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Why would the Bengals draft Coleman/Nabers? They’ll probably franchise Higgins.

Most of the chatter seems to be they let Higgins walk.

 

[daves]

Diggs was a trade.

Thanks for the correction! But he still meets the criteria of @cheesebeef's post to which I was replying - WRs who produced on multiple teams lately. And if rather than trading for him, Buffalo had waited until he was a FA and given him the same contract, he would've had just as much success on his second team.

Golden Tate was an okay player in a pretty mid passing offense in Seattle and turned into a good player for Detroit because he was a classic red a$$.

Had to look that one up! Sounds like the kind of WR who would be worth a top of the value FA contract. T.O., despite being unhinged, probably meets that criterion as well. Aside from that, buyer beware on giving huge contracts to skill-position FAs.