2024 Draft Countdown/NFL Prospects thread

[Cardiac]

I agree Hump isn't playing as well but a quality LG next to him would help.

If Monti follows your plan I wouldn't be upset. I do think Hump is part of the culture they are trying to establish.

 

[oaken1]

I agree Hump isn't playing as well but a quality LG next to him would help.

If Monti follows your plan I wouldn't be upset. I do think Hump is part of the culture they are trying to establish.

A good LG would definitely help.

 

[outcent13]

I considered that. Also considered moving Hump to LG... but I feel pretty certain he would not accept it gracefully. I like Hump...but we have always needed just a little bit more from the LT position. With a couple guys available who would be solid upgrades I would just pull the trigger and lock down Kylers bookends for the next 12 years.
But I would get value out of Hump while he still has it... he ain't a great starter but he is a legit starter and several teams would love to have him.
Rumor has it Van Pran is cerebral and a strong leader...a true OC that reads defenses and calls protections...

Has anyone heard from Jon Gaines?

I’ve mentioned moving hump to guard as well. I think his size and mobility would allow him to be really really good in that spot.

 

[SoonerLou]

Would be kinda crazy if the Bills/Bengals miss the playoffs and get Coleman and Nabers.

 

[DVontel]

Would be kinda crazy if the Bills/Bengals miss the playoffs and get Coleman and Nabers.

Why would the Bengals draft Coleman/Nabers? They’ll probably franchise Higgins.

 

[SoonerLou]

Why would the Bengals draft Coleman/Nabers? They’ll probably franchise Higgins.

I see most mocks predicting Wr. Bengals owner is cheap.

 

[BritCard]

I don’t think MHJ is that athletic.

I don't think MHJ will test particularly well. He'd do fine in the 40 and 3 cone but I think VJ, BJ etc will be meh.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see him skip everything except the 40 and 3 cone.

 

[TheCardFan]

I don't see the Bengals paying Higgins and Chase (2025 FA).

I would expect they try the Vikings model and its a good year to do it.

 

[BritCard]

I don't see the Bengals paying Higgins and Chase (2025 FA).

I would expect they try the Vikings model and its a good year to do it.

Agree but franchising him is a possibility then letting him walk in 2025.

They probably still see a superbowl window and letting a proven guy walk for a 50/50 rookie is risky.

Maybe they draft a WR too to bring on behind him in round 2 or 3.

 

[Chopper0080]

@Chopper0080 - what about Latu?

CB?

Leary about his health and info is tough to find.

 

[Chopper0080]

I don't think MHJ will test particularly well. He'd do fine in the 40 and 3 cone but I think VJ, BJ etc will be meh.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see him skip everything except the 40 and 3 cone.

MHJ reportedly already runs sub 4.4. Even if he hits 4.4 at the combine, it is going to be amazing for his size.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Agree but franchising him is a possibility then letting him walk in 2025.

They probably still see a superbowl window and letting a proven guy walk for a 50/50 rookie is risky.

Maybe they draft a WR too to bring on behind him in round 2 or 3.

Yeah but getting a solid cost controlled pass catcher is golden in the NFL. With current top receiver salaries, you'd love to have a good player locked into $7 million per year for the next four, or whatever it is they would pay with a later first round pick.

 

[Chopper0080]

You've just made the case for Newton because of the death of talent at IDL and made the case for waiting on WR.

I disagree. The issue with Newton is that he is a size/speed outlier. Yes, so is Aaron Donald, but Donald is the exception and not the rule. I don't know that come draft time, Newton will grade better than any of those top 5 or 6 WRs. What you are potentially doing is advocating for reaching for a player based upon need.

The top of this WR class is reminding me of last year's TE class. It is so rarely talented that if you have a need, you have to consider double-dipping on the talent pool.

EDIT: So yes, Newton might be the guy if he ends up grading equally, but he has a huge hill to overcome based upon his measurables.

 

[football karma]

im totally adjusting my expectations on the draft -- where it used to be thinking top 3 plus the Texans at #12 or so

im now thinking the Cards at 8-10 overall with the Texans in the 20s (would it really surprise anyone if the Texans won the AFC south?)

 

[Chopper0080]

So if Newton does this at the combine...you start the conversation about him being a better or equal prospect to these WRs.

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[Chopper0080]

im totally adjusting my expectations on the draft -- where it used to be thinking top 3 plus the Texans at #12 or so

im now thinking the Cards at 8-10 overall with the Texans in the 20s (would it really surprise anyone if the Texans won the AFC south?)

I think is is good if you are trying to project where the Cardinals will fall. I am just trying to get a good feel for the top 30 or so players in the draft class and how they fit with AZ.

 

[BritCard]

Yeah but getting a solid cost controlled pass catcher is golden in the NFL. With current top receiver salaries, you'd love to have a good player locked into $7 million per year for the next four, or whatever it is they would pay with a later first round pick.

But there's no guarantee you get that. With receivers maybe more than any position.

Higgins is a known stud. Any draft pick may not be.

I expect Bengals to make the playoffs and pick in the 20s by which point it's a toin coss. You might get Justin Jefferson, you might get Kadarius Toney.

 

[kerouac9]

But there's no guarantee you get that. With receivers maybe more than any position.

Higgins is a known stud. Any draft pick may not be.

I expect Bengals to make the playoffs and pick in the 20s by which point it's a toin coss. You might get Justin Jefferson, you might get Kadarius Toney.

Tee Higgins is a good outside NFL WR. He's never made a pro bowl, never made an all pro team.

That's a pretty capacious definition of "stud." Paying these guys big money to move teams is a classic free agency mistake.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I disagree. The issue with Newton is that he is a size/speed outlier. Yes, so is Aaron Donald, but Donald is the exception and not the rule. I don't know that come draft time, Newton will grade better than any of those top 5 or 6 WRs. What you are potentially doing is advocating for reaching for a player based upon need.

The top of this WR class is reminding me of last year's TE class. It is so rarely talented that if you have a need, you have to consider double-dipping on the talent pool.

EDIT: So yes, Newton might be the guy if he ends up grading equally, but he has a huge hill to overcome based upon his measurables.

I think you don't strategically say, "This is a great TE class, so we have take one!" That would have been a very dubious approach for Monti this off season after taking McBride last year.

Trying to project future draft classes is a fools errand. And also believing the hype of a draft class can get you into trouble. What happens when MHJ is an injury prone wreck, Odunze is a bust, and Franklin ends up as the best player and he was drafted mid round two? I think when you have depth like this, you can wait.

Ojulari currently leads all rookie pass rushers in sacks because when you have depth, you can wait.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Tee Higgins is a good outside NFL WR. He's never made a pro bowl, never made an all pro team.

That's a pretty capacious definition of "stud." Paying these guys big money to move teams is a classic free agency mistake.

Usually the biggest mistake is Made by the team signing players like Higgins.

 

[DVontel]

I think we’ll end the season drafting in the 8-10 range. In that case, welcome Malik Nabers.

 

[kerouac9]

I think we’ll end the season drafting in the 8-10 range. In that case, welcome Malik Nabers.

After trading down?

Atlanta sucks; we barely beat their backup QB at home.

 

[DVontel]

After trading down?

Atlanta sucks; we barely beat their backup QB at home.

I think every team left on the schedule not named the 9ers & Eagles are all winnable. Does that mean we’ll beat them? Nah.

I think we can at least get 3 more wins.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Tee Higgins is a good outside NFL WR. He's never made a pro bowl, never made an all pro team.

That's a pretty capacious definition of "stud." Paying these guys big money to move teams is a classic free agency mistake.

Two words...Alvin Harper.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Two words...Alvin Harper.

Joey Galloway. Roy Williams.

The only I can think of who’s produced on multiple teams lately is Amari Cooper. Doesn’t matter what team or who’s at QB. Dude gets open and makes plays.