2024 Draft Countdown/NFL Prospects thread

[Ronin]

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[Ronin]

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[TheCardFan]

Who is a pro comparison for Keon Coleman?

Mike Williams?

 

[Ronin]

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[BritCard]

I'll give an update on some OSU prospects.
The 2 DE's JTT and Jack Sawyer have been non-factors the entire year. Their draft stock has to be plummeting. Don't know the deal with JTT but Sawyer just isn't athletic/twitchy enough.

CB Denzel Burke was great as a freshman but struggled mightily last year. Turns out he was playing dinged up all year. This year he's back to being a stud. ND wouldn't even test him on Saturday.

DT Michael Hall has been great but for some reason the coaching staff is limiting his PT. Most of OSU's pass rush this year has been generated by the interior DL.

Marvin: he's just the best. I heard someone say the scouts say it's comical how good he is and is the best WR by far. He'd have 2 more TD's if not for mistaken calls by the refs(Big 10 officials notified OSU after the fact they made mistakes on plays involving MHJ and both would have been TD's). He probably catches a TD against ND if he hadn't sprained his ankle a couple plays earlier. He was a 1/2 step away from the grab. Sure he gets it if healthy.

On a side note, I give the ND CB, #20, props. He's did as good a job on MHJ as anyone I've seen.

JTT was always super over hyped off one amazing game.

 

[BritCard]

that is Benjamin Morrison, a Phoenix product from Brophy Prep (and one of the nicest, most humble kids you would ever meet)

That's all Steve Keim's boxes ticked.

 

[Krangodnzr]

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This receiver draft looks a lot better than last year's draft. With MHJ, Odunze, Edbuka, Coleman, and a few others, this draft is loaded. I'd even love to get Badger from ASU later in the draft.

 

[Krangodnzr]

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Dallas > Verse.

Yeah I starting to agree. Verse had a definitive edge on production, but he can't make plays like THAT.

 

[BritCard]

My way too early prediction...

I'm not convinced we pick top 5 but we may have something like #6 and #9.

I think Kyler stays and QB's are off the board. Which is good for us because there are a lot of good QB's in this draft and it's going to push non QB's down the board.

In my opinion the positions Monti will be looking at in round one are DT and OT. Maybe CB too depending how Garrett Wilson turns out but there are good round 2 options. I think there's a chance he made trade one of the picks too.

I don't think we draft Edge. Everyone in the current rotation is under contract next year and we still have Sanders to come back and Ojulari to build up his snaps.

Coming away with Alt or Fashanu and Newton would be a dream.

 

[Krangodnzr]

My way too early prediction...

I'm not convinced we pick top 5 but we may have something like #6 and #9.

I think Kyler stays and QB's are off the board. Which is good for us because there are a lot of good QB's in this draft and it's going to push non QB's down the board.

In my opinion the positions Monti will be looking at in round one are DT and OT. Maybe CB too depending how Garrett Wilson turns out but there are good round 2 options. I think there's a chance he made trade one of the picks too.

I don't think we draft Edge. Everyone in the current rotation is under contract next year and we still have Sanders to come back and Ojulari to build up his snaps.

Coming away with Alt or Fashanu and Newton would be a dream.

I think a top WR will be on the wishlist. Add a Odunze to Brown, Wilson, and Moore and that's some weapons for Murray. Add Fashanu and you have your bookend tackles for awhile.

 

[BritCard]

I think a top WR will be on the wishlist. Add a Odunze to Brown, Wilson, and Moore and that's some weapons for Murray. Add Fashanu and you have your bookend tackles for awhile.

I'm not sure. There are two things in play for me.

Obviously it really comes down to what happens with Brown and right now I think the odds are more in favour of him resigning. I think he's played well. He's made some difficult catches. He seems invested and most of all, he's Kyler's best buddy.

The big question for me is production. He may feel this heavy run scheme doesn't give him the chance to rack up the yards and get paid more. Or he may have matured and realised this is what many schemes outside Miami and KC look like.

At his current rate he might not rack up 1000 yards, but the offense is still growing. His market is still likely $18-20m, that's just how it is.

The 2nd thing I'm not sure about is in a deep WR class is MHJ worth a high pick when you might get MHJ adjacent a bit later? Especially if the team are good at identifying traits that fit what they want.

It's also an insanely tall draft class at WR, very few top guys are under 6' 1" (although college measurements can be bogus), so if they are looking for a big outside guy there's going to be a lot of options.

 

[outcent13]

If you have a chance to draft MHJ I think you have to do it. He to me feels like the Fitz pick years ago and I can see him having a similar career. But if we pick in the 6 -and 9 range I don’t see any way he gets to us. In this regard it’s nice to know that Nabers, Udunze, Bowers, etc., are great options.

I think RB has to be a priority in rd 2 or 3 as well. I love Connor but we need to find another guy that can be a game changer.

 

[CardNots]

If you have a chance to draft MHJ I think you have to do it. He to me feels like the Fitz pick years ago and I can see him having a similar career. But if we pick in the 6 -and 9 range I don’t see any way he gets to us. In this regard it’s nice to know that Nabers, Udunze, Bowers, etc., are great options.

I think RB has to be a priority in rd 2 or 3 as well. I love Connor but we need to find another guy that can be a game changer.

I agree with your thoughts on MHJ however we have enough draft capital to trade up to get him.

If not then trade up to get the Tackle you want regardless of draft position then trade Hump for draft picks.

With the outlook on Paris I would be ecstatic with a pair of great bookends. Grab the kid from Penn State.

I would luv to have our own Jalen Carter in the middle of our DL line. More important than a Edger.

 

[football karma]

looks like some solid impact EDGE choices in the top half of the draft

Jared Verse, FSU
Dallas Turner, 'Bama
Chop Robinson, Penn St

add interior guy JerZhan Newton, Illini

 

[Chopper0080]

My way too early prediction...

I'm not convinced we pick top 5 but we may have something like #6 and #9.

I think Kyler stays and QB's are off the board. Which is good for us because there are a lot of good QB's in this draft and it's going to push non QB's down the board.

In my opinion the positions Monti will be looking at in round one are DT and OT. Maybe CB too depending how Garrett Wilson turns out but there are good round 2 options. I think there's a chance he made trade one of the picks too.

I don't think we draft Edge. Everyone in the current rotation is under contract next year and we still have Sanders to come back and Ojulari to build up his snaps.

Coming away with Alt or Fashanu and Newton would be a dream.

DT seems like a lock if there is a prospect worth the pick. Newton or another player could be that guy. Not top 5, but 5-15 range.

I feel you may be a little more comfortable settling with what we have at the EDGE than Monti might be. If I were to interject my argument, it would be that we have a bunch of ok, but we need a difference maker. We need an edge player teams have to game plan for. That opens up EDGE IMO.

CB gets interesting as I feel the need is apparent, but may depend on how Garrett Williams plays this year. McKinstrey may be that guy. I am not 100% sold on.

 

[daves]

Well the Athletic's projected #1 - #2 finish for the Cards and Texans from a week ago is down to #2 and #4 today:

Projected top 10 (as of Sept. 26)

TEAM	PROJECTED WINS	PLAYOFF CHANCE
1. Chicago	4.3	0.8%
2. Arizona	5.2	1.5%
3. NY Jets	5.8	4.1%
4. Houston -> Arizona	6.0	6.2%
5. Denver	6.2	5.4%
6. Carolina -> Chicago	6.3	7.1%
7. NY Giants	6.7	12.5%
8. Minnesota	6.9	17.2%
9. New England	7.1	16.4%
10. Las Vegas	7.2	11.8%

 

[football karma]

That's all Steve Keim's boxes ticked.

dont do that to my guy!

I feel you may be a little more comfortable settling with what we have at the EDGE than Monti might be. If I were to interject my argument, it would be that we have a bunch of ok, but we need a difference maker. We need an edge player teams have to game plan for. That opens up EDGE IMO.

they need a diff maker -- both Wash and NY games showed how important a guy who can get sacks and pressures on his own in the 4th quarter are --- in both games, the diff between losing those games vs winning them was getting a sack in the 4th quarter

 

[Ronin]

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[GatorAZ]

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I’m on board for any receiver that can make Jayden Daniels look like an above average passer.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I'm not sure. There are two things in play for me.

Obviously it really comes down to what happens with Brown and right now I think the odds are more in favour of him resigning. I think he's played well. He's made some difficult catches. He seems invested and most of all, he's Kyler's best buddy.

I'd probably lean towards resigning him ATM. He adds speed and is close to Kyler and he has played pretty well this year.

The big question for me is production. He may feel this heavy run scheme doesn't give him the chance to rack up the yards and get paid more. Or he may have matured and realised this is what many schemes outside Miami and KC look like.

I don't know if the team will stay as run heavy once Kyler is back to form. I'd imagine Petzing will look for a close to 50/50 split.

At his current rate he might not rack up 1000 yards, but the offense is still growing. His market is still likely $18-20m, that's just how it is.

Thats the going rate for sure.

The 2nd thing I'm not sure about is in a deep WR class is MHJ worth a high pick when you might get MHJ adjacent a bit later? Especially if the team are good at identifying traits that fit what they want.

MHJ is better than the rest though. It's not even close. MHJ is significantly better than Garrett Wilson or other really highly touted guys. I think the difference in Nabers and MHJ is measurable.

It's also an insanely tall draft class at WR, very few top guys are under 6' 1" (although college measurements can be bogus), so if they are looking for a big outside guy there's going to be a lot of options.

I think an MHJ and Newton or Fashanu/Alt would be my dream first round right now. My hope is that Monti values taking OL/DL high.

 

[SoonerLou]

I’m on board for any receiver that can make Jayden Daniels look like an above average passer.

Jayden Daniels is going to be another Dorian Thompson Robinson where once he's in camp/preseason people are going to wonder why he didnt go higher in the draft.

I dont see why Bo Nix is forgiven for his awful 3 years in the SEC, but Jayden putting up huge #s in the SEC doesnt get him a pass for ASU.

Brock Purdy should help guys like them (4+ year starters)

 

[DVontel]

Jayden Daniels is going to be another Dorian Thompson Robinson where once he's in camp/preseason people are going to wonder why he didnt go higher in the draft

….absolutely the hell not. Do you not watch how many time he completely underthrow his WRs? He’s way too inconsistent.

 

[Ronin]

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[Krangodnzr]

Jayden Daniels is going to be another Dorian Thompson Robinson where once he's in camp/preseason people are going to wonder why he didnt go higher in the draft.

Eh if you're an ASU fan you'd find that statement crazy.

I dont see why Bo Nix is forgiven for his awful 3 years in the SEC, but Jayden putting up huge #s in the SEC doesnt get him a pass for ASU.

Because Auburn doesn't have close to the talent or coaching that Daniels is getting.

Brock Purdy should help guys like them (4+ year starters)

Guys like Purdy elevate the guys around him. Daniels was a key contributor to failure at ASU.

 

[Ronin]

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