2024 Offseason

[DVontel]

One of the main issues of bottoming out is that nobody wants to be a part of that experience, for obvious reasons. It may have been one of the issues in terms of acquiring decent players last offseason, but being just as bad/worse this season probably won't make it any easier to get good players, if that is the goal.

Players will come if you pay them a good money regardless of situation. It might be an overpay, but I’m fine with that if it means bringing in good players. Especially considering it’s not even money. Hell, look at what Montez Sweat just did with Chicago.

It seems we've put all of our eggs in the "draft well" bucket, instead of exploring trades/FA as ways to add talent. That's a very narrow path, and draft picks often take several years to develop. 4-5 year rebuilds just don't happen in the NFL because nobody has the patience, and so much can change year to year.

I think this is a wild assumption to make after not even a full year of this regime. Keim explored trades/FA for years. Look at what that got us? Yea, hopefully this regime has put a lot of eggs in drafting well. I honestly would’ve been real worried if Monti went crazy with trades/FA in just his first offseason with the organization.

Also, who says rebuilds take 4-5 years?

Look at what Houston did in FA - they were as bad as us, but thriving this year because they brought in legitimate NFL players.

Houston has also been as bad as us longer than we have. They were able to stock young premium talent over the years. Hell, they were just the current version of us 3 years ago.

Bringing Kyler back and expecting him to turn this clown show into a winning team is a hell of a burden for a guy coming off of an ACL.

I agree with you, but I’m not the person to tell that to. This should be intended for a couple others here.

 

[Arz101]

I'm fine with the teardown - I just wish we would have gotten some good players for the rebuild part of the equation!

Just punting on this entire season and not really seeing much of anything to build on moving forward is pretty grim times.

This is the most talentless team in the past 20 years ( without including Kyler ) ?

 

[Chopper0080]

I agree with you, but I’m not the person to tell that to. This should be intended for a couple others here.

I don't know who is saying they expect Kyler to carry the Cardinals to a winning record in 2023. I feel it is a completely reasonable expectation for 2024 if he is worth the 40+ mil he is getting paid.

 

[DVontel]

Simply singing one or two buildings blocks in the off-season wasn’t going to change this team from being the train wreck it is right now. And saying otherwise is bizarre.

I literally said in another post I was annoyed & disagreed with letting Zach Allen go. Go do the digging my guy.

There’s no reason we had to do absolutely nothing in the off-season. That’s NOT what the Lions did.

Are you the king of seeing something that’s not there & just arguing for the sake of it? Where in anywhere in that post did I say the Lions did nothing in their first year? Jesus Christ.

 

[Chopper0080]

The biggest question left is how bad does Kyler need to perform to justify taking a QB, and running this type of year back in 2024.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The biggest question left is how bad does Kyler need to perform to justify taking a QB, and running this type of year back in 2024.

If the offense looks the same with Kyler as it did Dobbs, it’s time to move on. Sadly, coming off injury, if he clears that low bar, considering the line and talent around him, I think he keeps a perilous grip on that position.

 

[DVontel]

This isn’t hard for anyone to understands who can admit to being wrong.

lmao. You just wanna bark because you don’t even know what you’re agreeing about at this point. Everybody acknowledges the rebuilding process sucks ass including me. It’s just needed instead of being in a continuous boring loop which some I think would rather be in.

 

[Arz101]

I will refer this thread , when anyone asks why 9-8 seasons are so much better than the sh*t Cardinals are putting on field.

 

[DVontel]

The biggest question left is how bad does Kyler need to perform to justify taking a QB, and running this type of year back in 2024.

If he’s like 2022, move on.

If he’s like first half of 2021, keep him. I think what @ASUCHRIS & I agree on is that still wouldn’t equate to wins due the roster being the way it is. I think that’s where you disagree which I find kind of wild.

 

[Cheesebeef]

If he’s like 2022, move on.

If he’s like first half of 2021, keep him.

Lol… way to go way out on a ledge there.There is a GULF of difference between terrible Kyler from 2022 and MVP Kyler from first half of 2021.

That isn’t a serious position as the choice would be blatantly obvious to keep or get rid of in both scenarios. What if it’s somewhere in the middle? What if the offense looks slight better than the Dobbs offense this year?

 

[CardsFan88]

If the offense looks the same with Kyler as it did Dobbs, it’s time to move on. Sadly, coming off injury, if he clears that low bar, considering the line and talent around him, I think he keeps a perilous grip on that position.

Sadly Kyler has shown he can be Dobbs level at times, so it's possible. I mean ~badish Dobbs level.

What concerns me, is that with our dearth of talent on the OL and skill positions, and the injuries, even if we assume better coaching, the results might be similar.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Also, who says rebuilds take 4-5 years?

Not me. But completely punting on an entire year puts us behind the 8-ball already for next year. We could have been planting the seeds of success to germinate next year by putting together a more credible team. Instead we'll be praying Kyler is the savior again with a crap group of talent surrounding him.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Simply singing one or two buildings blocks in the off-season wasn’t going to change this team from being the train wreck it is right now. And saying otherwise is bizarre.

There’s no reason we had to do absolutely nothing in the off-season. That’s NOT what the Lions did.

It wouldn't change much, but you'd be cutting players piecemeal next year if you decided to move on from Murray.

That is the only explanation that makes sense: Ossenfort has retained the ability to cut bait from Murray if need be.

 

[football karma]

The biggest question left is how bad does Kyler need to perform to justify taking a QB, and running this type of year back in 2024.

2020 Kyler clears the bar --

 

[kerouac9]

Lol… way to go way out on a ledge there.There is a GULF of difference between terrible Kyler from 2022 and MVP Kyler from first half of 2021.

That isn’t a serious position as the choice would be blatantly obvious to keep or get rid of in both scenarios. What if it’s somewhere in the middle? What if the offense looks slight better than the Dobbs offense this year?

Kyler isn't going to have the supporting cast when he arrives as he had in 2021, either. I think the evaluation is as vibes-based and we won't know much as it is something you can point to on the box score. How well does he take coaching? How well does he take what is being worked on in the classroom to the field? How disciplined is he in keeping those fundamentals under live fire?

 

[SoonerLou]

Lions were 9-8 in year 2. There should be a similar expectation for the Cardinals. The one requirement is that Kyler Murray shows he is as good as Jared Goff and Drew Petzing is as good as Ben Johnson.

FIFY

 

[Proximo]

I just disagree with this. It looks better based on game script. Whenever we've closed within shouting distance of an opponent we've folded up shop and let the game get away from us. I said it earlier: the New York Giants scored 31 points against us and 70 points combined in their other eight games this year.

I think you are totally discounting how much difference our offense vastly increasing our time of possession would make the defense look better.

 

[kerouac9]

I think you are totally discounting how much difference our offense vastly increasing our time of possession would make the defense look better.

I guess? Yeah we're 26th in Time of Possession. We hold the ball for 2:21 less than the median team (Atlanta).

I'd submit that most of this difference is teams running out the clock on us at the end of games.

Against Baltimore TOP was even. We won the TOP battle against the Giants.

We lost the TOP battle against Dallas by nearly 10 minutes.

 

[Chopper0080]

If he’s like 2022, move on.

If he’s like first half of 2021, keep him. I think what @ASUCHRIS & I agree on is that still wouldn’t equate to wins due the roster being the way it is. I think that’s where you disagree which I find kind of wild.

I don't expect Kyler to win games in 2023. I do if he comes back for 2024.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I don't expect Kyler to win games in 2023. I do if he comes back for 2024.

Same. I expect to see the offense be better or at least as good as what it looked like the first four games with Dobbs, which was competent…ish. Especially if Conner, Wilson and Demarcado are all healthy.

 

[Chopper0080]

I guess? Yeah we're 26th in Time of Possession. We hold the ball for 2:21 less than the median team (Atlanta).

I'd submit that most of this difference is teams running out the clock on us at the end of games.

Against Baltimore TOP was even. We won the TOP battle against the Giants.

We lost the TOP battle against Dallas by nearly 10 minutes.

Arizona Cardinals 1st half time of possession %. 56.08% Tops in the NFL.

2nd half 40.86%. Last in the NFL.

 

[Chopper0080]

So, yeah. The Cardinals sit on the ball as long as they can to delay the floodgates from opening.

 

[CardsFan88]

Haven't we gotten the ball first most games? I wonder how much that skews things. (not sure, but it seems like it)

 

[juza76]

Arizona Cardinals 1st half time of possession %. 56.08% Tops in the NFL.

2nd half 40.86%. Last in the NFL.

When we scored our drive were pretty long since the lack of talent and the inability tò make big plays

 

[Cardiac]

Haven't we gotten the ball first most games? I wonder how much that skews things. (not sure, but it seems like it)

I don't remember not receiving the ball to start the game